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Spoiler for Replies to Bastion_Arcion, cut for size:

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

So you're arguing that your statement is more valid than mine because we're using different scenes?

I am referring to the same scene as you. In case you really are unable to understand English, here is what I am talking about:

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Vol. 9


Vol. 17

Context is key.

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

Yes, it isn't normal to be able to do those things. Most of the story isn't normal, that's part of the humor of the series.
He's done those things after training himself for years, which is in itself abnormal.
Did he undertake those tests while he was with Athena? No, they were after, after his abnormal training regime.

See now I think you didn't even read a single chapter of the manga. Hayate's did train under Athena, and as for ''it's part of the humour'' that doesn't work in this case because the story hammered in the point that Hayate is indestructible.

And I don't know where you would get the idea that training oneself for a long period of time as being abnormal. What, are all professional fitness instructors abnormal as well?

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

I'm saying the exact opposite actually. The world is not black and white, don't pretend that it is.

Where exactly did I pretend that the world is black & white? What I wrote was that you need to present facts to support your theory (which you still refuse to do so).

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

I'm not discounting the possibility that Athena did do something, but acknowledging the possibility that she didn't.

Where did that possibility come from? And do you have something from within the story itself or from the author himself to prove she didn't unlock Hayate's latent potential?

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

Occam's Razor takes the possibility with fewer assumptions.

Occam's Razor is used to make things simple by comparing solutions to one result and then cutting away the more complicated method(s) and keeping the simplest one, and there is no way your theory (which is not supported by facts anyway, so using the principle is not needed in the first place) can compare what the author and story have shown.

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

That would be the one saying she didn't do anything except give him confidence.

So, you are saying that the explanation given by the story is wrong, and that your baseless theory is right?

...

I think you should consider renaming yourself as Don Quixote

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

He doesn't show a significant difference in endurance until he's undergone a training that would give him that endurance normally, and we've seen that it's still growing stronger.
If the spell simply made a jump in his endurance, would we still be seeing increases of such magnitude ten years later?

Reread chapter 183 to see exactly what did Athena do to Hayate. It is not a simple power up, she unlocked his latent strength so he would be able to obtain great power.

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

The only 'superhuman' thing Hayate has done in his circumstances has been to pull things out of thin air, standard for anime/manga characters and having absolutely nothing to do with Athena's spell.

Stop making things up.

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

That's what you get for not reading the rest of the argument. Non-Athena fans had just gotten a similar statement leveled at them.

I read through the past pages to see what are you talking about, and all I managed to come out with was more of your nonsense. And why should I care if Non-Athena fans had their arguments demolished? Stay relevant to what I am writing to you. This is about you making things up from nowhere, not about Athena.

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

Also, see above 'black and white' statement.
Having knowledge that she probably did have trained into her is different that making statements about things she couldn't possibly have known herself. Yet they are taken at full stock as true.

Hata himself said that Athena and Isumi were the strongest in the series. We are shown Isumi make statements about how Midas managed to posses her when she shouldn't even know her, shown her grandmother having knowledge of the Shirosakura, knowing how to stop Midas, put forth the conditions and restrictions of how to free her et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. In short, Isumi and her family are knowledgeable enough to know these things coupled with (and more importantly) Isumi being virtually was the author's own mouth piece in the story.

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

Could Athena be the reincarnation of the Greek goddess Athena?
Yes.
Could she just be a normal human?
Yes.
The story has given us nothing factual making either of these claims true or false.

...wut?

Seriously, what are you trying to do here? Where was it even alluded to that Athena was the bloody reincarnation of a Greek goddesses? Where was it mentioned? Why would that even matter?

What you are doing here is just making random statements that the story didn't even mention and then saying that they are probable. They are not fact, just groundless assumptions you made out of nowhere.

Originally Posted by zodanhko

Athena still has that notorious ability of her to attract other shippers.

I may be an Athena fan, but that doesn't mean I think she is the best fit for Hayate. Or that she would ''win''.

Originally Posted by Bangirasu

Not chapter of Hayate this week?

Tomorrow.

Originally Posted by ridgezipline

ahh, it's comedic in a way for me.. guess it really is relative..

Pretty much.

Originally Posted by Nochgo

I mean, come on, its obvious Hayate and Athena still loves each other

Yes, it is clear that the feeling is mutual, but then again like I said before, it takes more than love to make a relationship work.