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Old 2013-03-01, 21:37   Link #31982
jjblue1
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Originally Posted by theacefrehley View Post
I don't know
Because it's a possibility There are infinite fragments, but not all we can imagine is there

Why would they, necessarily?

And how could in-fragment characters like Lion know how the sea of fragments works, to be able to call Bern' bluff?
We don't know how the sea of fragments work so we can theorize everything about it, I'll give you that.
However if we go with 'everything is possible' than reasoning over it is pointless.

Ryukishi showed us that each fragment seemed to match a story. Logically one would expect that each story will have a matching fragment.

As an infinite number of stories can be generated the sea of fragments must be infinite.

Now apparently Bern herself put some limits to her sea of fragments as it has to contain fragments that include the Rokkenjima incident.
Why is this?
We know she can't find a fragment in which Ange's family will return back to her.
We know Battler must be 'dead'.
We know there can't be a happy ending.
However it's also said that Battler can win and go back by some other Ange.

So a whole bunch of fragments with a happy ending must exist somewhere... but it's of no interest whatsoever to Bern who's searching only for fragments with the Rokkenjima incident, or for Ange as that part was already 'written' in her fragment as having a sad ending.

We also can assume only a fragment can match exactly with what happened on Prime making all the other fragments 'fictional' compared to Prime.

Again, it's possible to create infinite tales about the Rokkenjima incident but let's say that the finite number Bern gave is the number of the tales created in the moment she's speaking, which must be finite.

In this way Bern didn't lie when she said there's a finite number of fragments and that they all ended in tragedy and only 1 contained Lion because what she truly meant was 'there's a finite number of tales about the Rokkenjima incident, only 1 involving Lion'.

This is possible and would make logical sense and would allow Bern to be honest and truthful.

However her truth is really easy to destroy.

We know that truths of the future overwrite truths of the past so ten minutes after she said so we could have more than 50 tales containing Lion because forgery authors just fell in love with the Lion's idea and all of them will lead to a sad ending because forgerers are writing about the Rokkenjima incident and aren't interested in a happy ending.

To be honest all this is of no interest to Ange. In truth for her only 1 fragment is important, her own and in her own the Rokkenjima incident is a fact of the past and she can't undo the past.

To Clair/Lion however things are different as the Rokkenjima incident is a fact of the future and this means in front of them there should be infinite possibilities, expecially for Lion who... well, didn't exist in Prime but in something parallel to it.

To say they can't reach a happy ending Bern would pratically forcing a temporal truth of the future on them. This however would require Bern to know the full truth on Rokkenjima so that she can say with confidence that Yasu/Lion died and didn't manage to escape and forget everything as it happened to Battler.

Honestly I doubt she knew what truly happened to Battler so her words were pure bullying using misleading information.
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