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Originally Posted by Kamui4356
Germany still would have lost. The war wasn't decided on the battlefield, it was decided when the Kaiser was overthrown. German reinforcements from the eastern front pushing back the western allies would not have changed this. If anything, the longer logistics trail needed to supply German troops after a successful offensive would only hasten the revolt due to stripping more resources from the population. Even if by some miracle Germany manages to win, the rest of your chain makes no sense at all. We still get the Weimar Republic, we still get Nazis, we still get Hitler, we still get Lenin, we still get Stalin, and on top of it, we might get a fascist France.
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I think you're making a big assumption regarding the other throw of the Kaiser being inevitable. I'll point out that the overthrow was done under the circumstances of the Germans suddenlly finding their enemies having a fantastically large new supply of troop reserves in the Americans. The coup took place under the circumstance of it being blatantly clear that Germany was now going to lose militarily.
It wasn't just Germany that was having morale and logistical issues. Some of Frances most productive farmland was now in the control of the Germans. And elements of the French frank and file were on the verge of mutiny. A scenario without an American intervention could see the French war effort collapsing instead of the Germans. This might not result in outright victory for the Germans, but the war ending a truce with conditions favorable to the Germans is a very real possibility.
I will contest iLney's assertion that this kind of ending for WW1 would prevent a WW2. You'd still have everyone in Europe eager to fight each other just with the instability getting and anger getting shifted around a little. You'd likely still have a WW2, just with different actors under different circumstances.
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Originally Posted by justsomeguy
3) Trying to have its cake and eating it too: If Google is allowed to stay without filtering, they win. If Beijing kicks them out, Google can leave with dignity from a not-so-successful business venture.
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This. It may be a better idea for Google PR wise at least to force the Chinese into action rather than initiate it themselves.
It's not like forcing the Chinese to kick them out hurts them anymore than just leaving themselves.