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Originally Posted by Tak

In Macross, Hikaru eventually weds Misa and had a daughter. Except over here you said it yourself, 'General' Rick Hunter weds 'Admiral' Lisa Hayes. It is common sense that 'Generals' don't simply become 'Admirals', and 'Generals' do not commandeer fleets.

Depends on your military. The Canadian's have from memory experimented with such.

SF militaries can get extrodanarily creative with rank structures. Stargate SG1 has a General commanding a starship squadron [since he's Air Force.]. The Serano Legacy has abolished Captain as a Naval Rank [replaced with Major] rather than post. Starship Troopers has command of a regiment in battle and seperate command of a capital ship in battle as the prerequisites for the rank of Sky Marshall [One of Johnny's classmates at OCS has done one and is studying for a prerequiste rank for the other.] Both Battlestar Galacticas have Colonels as capital warship XOs who are junior to Commanders who are junior to Admirals.

In Robotech REF and SC Generals command Capship squadrons. There are implications they hold this rank due to having commanded veritech wings in the past [For which the REF command rank is Colonel as in Wolfe,Edwards and Stirling.]

REF General Gunther Reinhardt is an example at Reflex Point. SC General Emmerson was an earlier example.

In this case it may be as simple as the REF having both Army and Navy ranks to a certain level to distinguish specilisations and then just Admirals above that. Possibly since all the commanders of the RDF were Admirals.

Look a bit further down for some of the reasons it wasn't a simple promotion.

Originally Posted by Tak

Right, and in midst of alien invasions, rebuilding the planet and new problems arising on a daily basis, I am sure he has all the free time in the world to be immersed in experience gaining and ranking-in. It doesn't even matter if 'Lisa' died in between, why should he even bother with fleet-works when he has his own mess to handle?

Possibly because as on of the RDF's few senior surviving pilots rank was going to hit him. By 2020 He is a Major General.[Which rank he appears to have recieved in the week before his Wedding and taking formal command of the SDF-3's Fighter Wings]

By 2030, He and Lisa have helped lead a multispecies War against the Regent [and later Edwards] as part of the Sentinels. Since thier main strike force were Veritechs and similar Rick took a greater role in planning the various planetary invasions than Lisa and Lisa took a more diplomatic role [Getting the various Races to work together and training in the traditional Praxian martial arts.]

By the jump off point for Mars Division, the Plenepotentiry Council has 4 senior officers to choose from [Max and Miryia having retired to raise ever stranger children, Wolfe having returned to Earth and Edwards having died]. All four were involved in the Sentinels.

Vince Grant. Engineer. Commanded the GMU.
Lisa Hunter. Capship Commander. Went native on Praxis. May like Miriya suffer from mental side effects caused by the Garudan atmosphere. Suffered the crippling or lose of her first two ship commands in thier first battles [SDF-2 lost, SDF-3 Crippled]. Has not won a capital ship engagement since 2012.
Rick Hunter. Fighter wing commander. Planned and lead the invasion of multiple Invid held planets.
Breetai. Has had more conflicts with the Plenepotentiry Council than the other three put together. Not a member of the REF since Edwards tried to enslave him.

Which would you choose? Rick has more relevant experience than Vince [or Reinhardt, who sat out the Sentinels war on the SDF-3] and unlike Breetai and Lisa isn't technically an alien [Breetai being Zentradi and Lisa having become adopted as a Praxian]

Originally Posted by Tak

No doubt those were a shabby attempt to connect the three shows that should not have been forcefully connected in the first place!

Once again, if it does not mean to sense, it does not make sense!

I would have a lot less problems if Robotech was a stand-alone original work by HG, except it wasn't, and I would have no problems if HG wasn't holding onto something that is simply not theirs to begin with.

- Tak

Thats a circular arguement. You don't like Robotech so you pick holes based on a events that happen in a Robotech episode set in 2040 based on the Macross version of events that end in 2012 and ignoring the material provided in various bits of Robotech. Its tricky for something to make sense if you don't accept that it could have explainations that are not direct maps to a seperate version. Especially if you are going to try and compare the two versions.

Your arguements are like complaining that Nova Wildstar can't be Captain of the Andromeda II based on Yuki having died when Yamato rammed the Black Dreadnought.

Robotech =/= Macross the same as New Battlestar Galactica =/= Old Battlestar Galactica. Its a different Universe the same as the three seperate ones that make up Macross.

Complaining that Macek's version welds three seperate series together [when that was the point, none of them being long enough to sell seperately] when that is the point of what he was doing and additional footage was produce to help do just that seems to miss the point. Harmony Gold couldn't sell Macross [after more than a year of trying] because it wasn't long enough to provide a full episode a day season. Such was the American TV market in the mid 80's. So they did something with the rights they had which would sell.

They didn't actually have to change that much between SDFMacross / SDC Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospaeda to get to Robotech. Many of the changes are modification for a younger age group [Which would have happend to a Macross translation by HG in that period.] rather than plot and the core themes come across unchanged. [Baring Minmei's atrocious singing in Robotech.] I'm not seeing the shabby compared with Battle of the Planets and if you truly want a shabby hack job to complain about try Johnny Destiny: Space Ninja.

Disputes over what rights HG might have over Macross didn't start until after Robotech II had been killed by the US Dollar collapsing against the Yen and the Sentinel Novels had been written. This is backstory thats been around for twenty years now.

The Legal Tangles are something seperate from the show. They didn't stop me watching any of the various bits of Macross and enjoying them any more than Yoshinobu Nishizaki and Leiji Matsumoto's legal fraca stopped me enjoying Yamato. Slightly less in fact since the latter seems to have killed both Diyamato Zero and Yamato 2520 rather than providing two different series to watch.

As for what deal Big West and Tatsunoko did with Harmony Gold and each other both in the 80s and after this decades litigation and thus what rights to what material each have. No one outside the companies knows the full story and it is possible that even they don't know.

I was under the impression there are no lawsuits outstanding. Big West and Tatsunoko have settled thier differences over who can do what with Macross and Harmony Gold can do what they wish with Robotech.