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Old 2013-08-13, 13:28   Link #39
Shadow5YA
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You speak of this limitation, but how often does it actually come into effect? How often is a Nasuverse protagonist not able to achieve what they want to achieve purely due to lack of "magical energy"?

In Nasuverse, as in virtually every universe where a lot of combat goes on, some combatants are simply more experienced, powerful, tougher, well-armed, etc... than others. That's not particularly scientific.

It should also be noted that the Nasuverse does have its Holy Grail, who's only real limitation seems to lay in the mind of its user.
Shirou repeatedly breaks his traced weapons on during battles due to his low magical energy and lack of technique. It's also repeatedly mentioned that Saber's abilities are hindered thanks to Shirou's low mana supply.

And being more powerful and well-armed are physical advantages that can be explained through science, or more specifically through physics. A larger and more bulky person has more mass. Mass is directly proportional to force and momentum. When two forces directly collide, the net force will naturally be closer in direction to the larger component force.

The "Holy Grail" as created in Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero are also not perfect wish-granting machines. It's mentioned several times how corrupted it has become.

Additionally, it didn't grant Kotomine happiness, Gilgamesh ownership over Saber

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Due to hubris, not lack of ability. Gilgamesh also completely and totally flaunted the laws of physics in Fate/Zero.
Of course not. The Servants are not human.

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It's not the world's principles, that's for sure.
Depends on what principles. There is such a thing as metaphysical principles, which is what Nasu bases his fantasies on.


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Good grief, man. Nobody said that individual magic-users were essentially omnipotent. But magic itself in Nasuverse does not conform to science. It enables people to break the laws of physics. It lets people do some things that would otherwise be impossible.
Of course it breaks the laws of physics. What's the point of magecraft if it couldn't do anything that technology already couldn't?

My point is that there is a clear set of laws that all Nasuverse magic conforms to. It may be theoretical and completely fabricated by Nasu himself, but everything still conforms to the world that Nasu created, even if that world is not the same as ours. It's no different from a sci-fi. The idea isn't that they're bending reality to their will, but that their reality is defined to be different from ours.

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If you fly at someone and make a good melee attack while doing so, you're putting quite a bit of added force behind it. More than someone merely air walking.
And if the opponent blocks it and pushes back, you have no footing to stand your ground. Or do you think Ilya can make a hole into something like Berserker just by flying into him?


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No, it's not. Flight does allow objective advantages over air walking. Flight is smoother, more versatile, and potentially faster.

Question: Aside from teleportation, what's the shortest way to get from Point A to Point B?

Answer: A straight line.

With flight, you can always get to a desired mid-air destination in a straight line, as long as you aim yourself properly. With air walking/leaping, you may often have to take many separate leaps to get there. With air walking/leaping, you're not moving in a straight line.
It was already stated that Ilya is faster and more agile than Miyu. That however does not imply that airwalking does not have its own advantages. As I've stated before, there are cases where you want to have some footing.
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