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Originally Posted by Wild Goose
Regarding defeating stealth, just FYI that in recent exercise (can't remember if it was Red Flag or something else) a matchup between the Eurofighter Typhoon (IIRC) and the Raptor ended up with the Raptor losing due to not quite having the same manuverability edge of the Typhoon in a close range dogfight.
That said, the issue is getting into that dogfight in the first place; the Raptor can detect you before you detect the Raptor, under most circumstances.
Note that when Sagiri's forces with dogfighting with Walken's battalion, it was a close range dogfight, which evened the odds somewhat.
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Its one of the items listed here as well
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/f-22-germans/
For the TDA 02 scenario, I would like to highlight again that the French planted ground sensors all over the place under the pretense of the cease fire treaty. So the F-22s were fighting without stealth, and Walken was forced to fight at close combat without that advantage. Its an acknowledgment to his skill as a pilot that he made it out and survived, since other pilots of the F-22 did went down. Just to note though, its Sagiri's first battle in the Rafale according to the remarks the French battalion commander made before the battle.
Oh and about that part about American TSFs doing very well against the BETA, actually the frontline countries feel that they kept being given these death coffins to die in which prompts them to keep trying to modify it into something that works against the BETA. So we have all the modified TSFs that are based off the American ones. Not because its the best, but because no one has the time to relax and take a few decades to redesign the basic structure, and they instead use the parts that work, and add on parts that each country thinks works better against the immediate foe. If US TSFs are the best, there wouldn't be a need to make changes to the design, other than pride. They work, but it could work better with changes by those with experience.
Presumably the US acknowledges that, thus the creation of the Prominence project to share ideas, while at the same time showing off their products.