[Malkuth]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Today we also have [Rou-Kyu-Bu!], what's your point?

Equality for the sexes and personally, if it goes down to that, I'd rather watch five cute girls being silly, rather than a bunch of macho dudes sillier

Originally Posted by DonQuigleone

You know, I wonder if we'd be having this discussion if it was the other way around.

IE "Oh noes, Shoujo is being diluted in order to better appeal to boys!". There's a latent argument that because it's at all aimed at girls, it's somehow "worse".

I don't see why diluting or merging genres can be a bad thing. Offering what people want to watch is not going to change, and it's not bad, as long as there is room for minorities to express themselves. Ranting about a sub-genre that dominated in the past, but no more seems quite pointless to me.

Originally Posted by DonQuigleone

I don't see anything wrong with inserting a few elements to appeal to girls, so long as the central premise and appeal isn't derailed. Also, by inserting such elements, you can often get something superior.

That said, if it's done in a purely pandering manner, it's not going to really add anything. For instance, making every pilot in a mecha show a Bishonen, or adding in loads of revealing outfits to a Mahou Shoujo.

The right way is, say, to add interesting romantic drama to the Mecha, with a few appealing male characters, or interesting action/adventure to the Mahou Shoujo, with a few appealing (but not overtly revealing) character designs.

In that way, you make the story as a whole more interesting, and likely in a way that will also appeal to the original core audience as well.

Concerning Mahou Shoujo, le me give a visual example...

Spoiler for images:

1992 -> 1998 -> 2004 -> 2011

Personally I don't think the newest ones have more revealing outfits, nor that the shows have become worse... unless one makes ecchi-hating reviews his new bible/koran/kapital/kaempf/etc.

Originally Posted by Fuyuno

Sorry for not taking part in a discussion that I started but I just couldn't get online if my wife is around. Thanks for replying though.

Originally Posted by Fuyuno

My only reason to made this thread is I worry when someday(not today) the anime that intended for male audiences would be filled with teenage girls behaving like kindergarten kids or crazy yandere bitches with blood splattering all over place. Female ones would be nothing but ambiguously or obvious gay bishies making out with each other or horny bishies raping plain-looking girl. Just like some other members point out, it is really scary when fanservice is preferred over substance.

Fanservice can not in any way prohibit substance, plot, and character development. But the absence of substence can be filled in with fanservice, including ecchi. These are very different things, and confusing them leads to... Carlos Santos

Originally Posted by totoum

Sure,another exemple would be how the west uses "hentai" to describe porn anime,while "hentai"=pervert in japanese they don't use the term "hentai anime" they just say "echi anime" (hentai->h->echi) while in the west "echi" will refer to fanservice anime but not porn.

Ecchi is not fanservice, but fanservice can be ecchi... please don't promote this misuse; people base page after page of their vitriolic ministries on this misuse.

Also hentai does not refer to a demographic, like R-18, 18+, otona, etc. To get the demographic tag you need to graphically depict coital intercourse and reproductive organs while censoring them, which for some mystifying reason is considered perverted, therefore it usually gets the hentai tag, but fundamentally they refer to different things. Of course you can still show sex, gore, humiliation, torture, and all these nice stuff, and evade the dreaded R-18 tag by hiding (not censoring) reproductive organs, aka tastefulness

Originally Posted by totoum

But we're still somewhat in the same general vicinity.Meanwhile people only associating shonens with action/sports/harems leads to absurd stuff like me having to look for stuff like Azumanga Daioh,Yotsuba&,K-on in the shojo part of the manga store instead of the shonen or seinen part and when I ask the people working at the store what the hell they're doing there they tell me those can't possibly be shonens so by elimination they must be shoujos.
That's happened to me quite a few times.

To begin with splitting the demographic by sex is sexist, but it seems it helps people choose by tags and not content, and then complain endlessly on-line about just that