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Originally Posted by Bionicman
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was referring to when Lelouch was leading the Black Knights. They claimed that they ousted Lelouch because 1) they didn't agree with the morality of his actions, and 2) he was in it for his own interests, rather than the interests of Japan. By working with Schneizel later on, they did what they claimed to be so upset about Lelouch doing when he was their leader (doing immoral things for a greater cause). And that they were so upset by the fact that Lelouch may not have cared about Japan's best interests, it's strange how they later ally themselves with Schneizel, someone who clearly doesn't care about the best interests of Japan. Also, I don't see how letting someone give your army orders during a huge battle isn't siding with him (more below).
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they oust lelouch becouse he is simply using them for his own goals (and using geass to manipulate them, or at least so they think)
they oust him becouse they believe he is a monster who murders unarmed women and children if it serves his purpose (he actually did do that)
they later ally themselves with Schneizel against lelouch when lelouch takes over britannia and continues the war against them, re-conquers japan, and takes the UFN leaders hostage
Schneizel may not care about japans best interests as much as his OWN interests
but japans best interests and indeed the UFN's best interests at the time were to NOT be conquered by lelouch
which is why they attacked lelouch with all the force they could gain, which at the time included an alliance with Schneizel
they let Schneizel command the actual battle in the field becouse he
A)a master stratigist on par with lelouch
B)gave them his word that in exchange for commanding the troops he would refrain from using the damocles (they asked him for help, then told him not to use the only real weapon he had, they had to give him something)
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That doesn't seem to fit the facts. First, Schneizel appeared and challenged Lelouch in the same episode that Lelouch kidnapped the UFN leaders (before Schneizel had the support of the Black Knights), and his threats were backed up by the Damocles, making him as much (if not more) of a threat to Lelouch than the Black Knights. Second, as I said, Schneizel was effectively commanding the Black Knights during the final battle. The Black Knights may or may not have been the de jure authority, but Schneizel was clearly the de facto leader. At one point, Schneizel even mentioned sacrificing the lives of Black Knight soldiers to further his plans, and the Black Knight leaders still accepted his authority.
The point here is that Schneizel made it clear that he didn't care if the Black Knights died as long as he got his victory, and yet the Black Knights fought for him. They didn't like that Lelouch may not have had Japan's interests at heart, but then they ally themselves with someone who 1) oppressed and bombed their country, and 2) would probably do it again after Lelouch was defeated. That last point really bugs me. If the Black Knights defeated Lelouch, then what? They're weakened by the battle, and meanwhile Schneizel has Damocles, and could attempt to retake control of Britannia (he'd be popular with the deposed nobles, for one). What the Black Knights did was dubious both strategically and morally.
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lelouch took over britannia exactly BECOUSE he wanted to corner Schneizel
before lelouch took over britannia Schneizel was on britannia's side (he IS britannia's prime minister) and possesing the damocles
on the other side of the board was the UFN and the OOBK
lelouch took over britannia and suddenyl Schneizel is out of a job and cut off from britannia (he cant show his face, lelouch would kill him)
so Schneizel sits on the side lines to watch what happens next
lelouch shows up to the UFN meeting under the pretext of peace and the makes his move turning himself into the enemy of the world (in practice its mostly the UFN at the time)
he does this to lure Schneizel into making HIS move against him by using the damocles against pendragon (as suzaku said, its what he expected)
Schneizel did attack lelouch at the same time as lelouch taking the UFN leaders hostage
but he did so IN RESPONSE to lelouch doing so
and in fact lelouch did it TO MAKE HIM DO THAT
it keeps him from attacking the targets lelouch actually DOES care about in japan (kallen, ashford)
Schneizel for his part plays along with lelouch's plan becouse he had his own card up his sleve (nunnaly)
Schneizel blows up pendragon and makes it clear to EVERYONE that he doesnt accept lelouch as emperor
this helps the OOBK by freezing britannia's goverment works and helping them to balance the fight
the OOBK then turn to Schneizel for an alliance becosue Schneizel had already proved himself as an enemy of lelouch
had Schneizel NOT made his move they wouldnt have bothered to contact him (he IS britannian after all)
but they turned to him becouse he had proved that, whatever else he might be, he is lelouch's enemy same as them
and they needed all the help they could get at the time (case in point, they let gino join them)
the damocles is NOT a bigger threat then the OOBK
the OOBK at the time was made up of the armies of every UFN member state
meaning its a world wide army of tens if not millions of soldiers
the damocles is one weapon system
if not for its ability to reach high enough that it cant be attacked it wouldnt be all that much of a threat (it cant fire and keep its shields up at the same time)
the only reason lelouch was able to use it to make the world surrender is that he had control of the damocles AND the britannian army (hence, the OOBK no longer had the power to oppose him)
and again
the OOBK turned leadership over to Schneizel for the SOLE REASON of keeping him from using the damocles (his only real weapon)
he was NOT the actual leader of the UFN or the OOBK and only commanded them during that battle becosue they agreed to LET him
at no point did Schneizel mention sacrificing the lives of OOBK soldeirs to THEM
he did say that killing the UFN leaders (who have already been replaced) was a small price to pay for getting world peace by removing lelouch
and agreed to xing-ke request NOT to do it (which is why they gave him command)
Schneizel had always been shown as a noble demon
he never attacked or opressed their country
he was supporing euphie's SAZ
and he was the one behind the cease fire after the fljia in ep 18 (and came HIMSELF to show them proof against lelouch)
the point that really bugs you is simple
what happens AFTER they get rid of lelouch is irrelevent if lelouch wins, conquers the world and executes them all for opposing him
they faced lelouch beocuse lelouch was the bigger threat
the allied with Schneizel becouse they needed all the help they could get and Schneizel had proved that he was also lelouch's enemy
they had no reason to think that Schneizel would attack them
the man HELPED THEM
he warned them about lelouch
the dude was the picture of what a benevolent britannian emperor would look like (compared to the monster they were fighting ATM)