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Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

I'd rather not disregard literally everything EP7 told us about the character, but that's just me. I don't like having my time wasted.
We got plenty of material on Yasu, but you're just deciding that what she confessed isn't reliable so we only have "little" material.

I'm not disregarding everything EP 7 said but EP 7 didn't really told us everything in a straight manner. It's all filtred through fantasy. Also Clair's tale cut out the part in which Yasu was told she suffered an injury. We heard about it in a fragment shown by Bern. Plus, Clair's tale showed Yasu as apparently fond of Kumasawa and possibly of Genji while it seems 'Our confession' turns this around.

So most of the material we've about Yasu is filtered.
If you decide to believe in it as it is, well, that's good for you, you've a lot of material to work with.
I'm more wary in taking it as it is so I've only little material I deem reliable enough.

Also so far I've only read summaries of 'Our confession'. I can't express a definite judgement on something I didn't read in full (though I'm really, really grateful for the summaries).

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

But even if what she said isn't true, she said it for a reason.

Undoubtely.

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

It's strongly insinuated that Hanyuu is a piece of Featherine's, complete with comments that the Piece had it's memory damaged via breaking the memory aid device (the chip in her horns).

Honestly it's the first time I've heard of this theory.
I've heard many times of Bern being Featherine's piece but Hanyuu never came up.
Either I missed the post mentioning it or it wasn't discussed during the time I joined animesuki...

Originally Posted by Toku

Yep. I do like it when an author is not afraid to put lots of tragedies in their stories, but I have to admit, Yasu seems to have been born under one heck of a star.

Yes, she seems to be the personification of Murphy's law... -_-
Poor Yasu...

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Originally Posted by Toku

What if the drowning scene is literal and only Battler survived? In that case, what is the one thing that Tohya could never remember? October 6th, which would probably have been one of the most traumatic days in all of Battler's life because he thinks he didn't manage to save Yasu and survived alone. So let's say that the emotional pain causes him to not want to remember her, and he subconsciously rejects those memories even as he begins to recover some of his other memories. She had finally managed to reach him at the end of the conference, but he was too late because she had already lost all hope and couldn't believe in the promise anymore, and now that she's dead, even that is lost and the one person she wanted to remember her no longer could.

In the face of that, the fact that Ikuko is practically living the kind of life Yasu had dreamed of, feels like a mockery of her.

But it gets even more tragic if you believe that Ikuko is Yasu and that she also somehow managed to survive drowning. Because the whole time, for decades, she's right there by his side and the one person he can't remember is her. When she attempted to try and jog his memories, this ends with him having a "fit" and barely surviving, and he still can't remember. And then, decades later, she ends up being the one to tell Ange about the one bit he can't remember, and she has a perfectly straight face.

I still have to decide an interpretation about the drowning that satisfy me.
The drowning is odd for many reasons:
- Battler acts like nothing was wrong and he hadn't just lost his family
- also Toya said he was thinking to reach Kuwadorian when he went through a tunnel but evidently took a wrong turn and ended up where the sea was. Battler seems perfectly okay with the fact he has reached the sea as if he had been expecting it
- Battler isn't scared to go on a boat. I like to think the many, many times we were told Battler fears boats had a purpose and weren't just comic relief.
- It's not so easy to drown. Once you start suffering of lack of air you instinctively try to save yourself. The gold might have work in the beginning to help Yasu sink but again, due to lack of air she should have let it go and tried to save herself. Even if by some miracle Yasu were to manage to overcome her instinct she would have lost consciousness and let go of the gold. Then her body would have started returning toward the surface like Battler's did (there's a reason why people tied their body to a big stone when they tried drowing themselves). Instead Yasu stay calm and conscious and keep on sinking.
Note that also is never mentioned that Battler heard her jumping in the water. And of course, in the end Battler sunk with her, though we know he should have survived and become Toya.
So part of the drowing tale doesn't sound true to me... though it can be that they fell in the water in a slightly different setting and that Yasu drowned.

So far however I prefer to consider the drowing tale as a narration of how the Beatrice persona died. She couldn't leave Rokkenjima and so she sunk there. Battler lost his memory so he also sunk with her.
I still can't decide if the death of the Beatrice persona matches the death of Yasu, though I know some think so.

Though yes, if Yasu managed to survive she must have thought fate had a really twisted sense of irony when she's involved.