(L) Hazure Waku no【Joutai Ijou Skill】de Saikyou ni natta Ore ga subete wo Juurin suru mad

[Nobusora]

Original Title : ハズレ枠の【状態異常スキル】で最強になった俺がすべてを蹂躙するまで (Hazure Waku no【Joutai Ijou Skill】de Saikyou ni natta Ore ga subete wo Juurin suru made)
Author : Shinozaki Kaoru
Status : 166 WN chapters
Length : 0.5 Million Japanese Characters

Syosetsu ni Narou : n1785ek

Spoiler for Synopsys:

Along with his classmates, 「No-presence Mob」high-schooler Mimori Touka is summoned as Braves, to combat against the invasion of resurrected Daimatei and it's army. Mimori Touka is the only one identified as the lowest E-rank, furthermore his skill, 【Abnormal Sate Skill】considered to be a failure skill in this world. As a form of 'one last chance to prove himself', the Goddess cast him out to the Disposal Ruin notoriously known to have zero survivability rate. Falling into despair, Touka reawaken the past himself... and swear to exact revenge against the Goddess.

Spoiler for FAQ:

1. Is the MC OP?
Yes with limitation. His skill is

2. Is this a harem?
Yes according to the tags.

3. Is there snusnu in this novel?
Dunno

From the author of Seiju no Kuni no Kinju Tsukai, delivers a refreshing copy of Arifureta. Was skeptical but the protagonist keeps me entertained enough to put this in my Makimaru top list. The pace is a little bit slow but it is updated weekly. The light novel version is published by Overlap Bunko.

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I only clicked because I mistook this for something else but...

Originally Posted by Nobusora

copy of Arifureta.

This is an excellent reason not to read this.

Does this series at least have a better protagonist than Arifureta, or better character interactions, or a better plot?

[AnimeFangirl]

Wow, the description is so generic I want to cry...

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Originally Posted by AnimeFangirl

Wow, the description is so generic I want to cry...

Yup, not even something a little interesting to it.

[sasuke706]

While I read this and want to see where it goes, it does have its glaring flaws.
I mentioned it in the Hiroshima Out Survive thread but the writing actually comes off as pretentious, as in overly drawn out sentences with excessive space between lines. This can even be annoying at times.
The characters are also either pretentious edge lords with 2high4u IQs, angry morons with no redemption, or potential heroines. Pretty limited character types.

I'd say it's better than Arifureta by a mile but that boils down to personal preference anyway.
This series stresses mental battles more than physical battles. Well, "mental" battles, anyway. Pretty much having a mental chess game with the opponent in order to make an opening.
The plot is also more coherent and isn't entirely made up as he writes from what I can tell.

It's harem but the harem part really has yet to come in. The elf girl on the cover is clearly the main heroine and they get along very well, but the most they've done is sleep in the same bed. Except the protagonist like never sleeps since they meet.
There's other potential heroines but they haven't quite gotten past 'potential' yet.

[wuhugm]

So what's the skill actually does?

[sasuke706]

It does several things and upgrades slowly, sometimes unlocking new status.

The initial ones are Paralyze, Sleep, and Poison.
There are more later, like Dark (Blind), Berserk, Freeze, Slow.
There's some limitations and quirks with all of them, like Freeze only being to be used on 3 targets at a time.

His ability's activation requirement is to say the whole word, so you'll see a lot of dramatization with that.
Like racing to spit out every syllable of "Paralyze" over the span of like half a chapter.

The protagonist originally gets scrapped by the Goddess at the start because of being an "E" rank hero and debuffs being well known garbage effects that aren't worth the effort.
His debuffs are super effective compared to these apparently, but we have yet to actually see any other debuffs save for his.
And to explain hero ranks, it's basically how many stats they gain per level. The protagonist gains very little stats per level, but he also seems to level much easier and is much better at killing monsters to level up compared to even S rank heroes.

[Asuka']

Revenge is my fave genre, but similar to arifuta....? wtf with awaken the past ?

Originally Posted by sasuke706

It does several things and upgrades slowly, sometimes unlocking new status.

The initial ones are Paralyze, Sleep, and Poison.
There are more later, like Dark (Blind), Berserk, Freeze, Slow.
There's some limitations and quirks with all of them, like Freeze only being to be used on 3 targets at a time.

Did his ability including self defense system to those such as null paralyze, null sleep, null poison, etc?

Or it is just an ailments magic that fired to the enemy ?

His ability's activation requirement is to say the whole word, so you'll see a lot of dramatization with that.
Like racing to spit out every syllable of "Paralyze" over the span of like half a chapter.

The protagonist originally gets scrapped by the Goddess at the start because of being an "E" rank hero and debuffs being well known garbage effects that aren't worth the effort.
His debuffs are super effective compared to these apparently, but we have yet to actually see any other debuffs save for his.
And to explain hero ranks, it's basically how many stats they gain per level. The protagonist gains very little stats per level, but he also seems to level much easier and is much better at killing monsters to level up compared to even S rank heroes.

Bolded,
I'll say that is ailments as of bad status, not debuff (lower stat). Just my game language opinion.

Unlike a certain young genius grand wizard that become an adventurer that love spamming sleep magic, the goddess doesn't know the usefullness of ailments.

Using sleep you can make an enemy or whole tribe of monster to sleep and simply massacare them slowly. (by a certain boy)

Using poison you can lure the enemy to the terrain and let them die by theirself. (by a certain girl in dungeon)

Not to mention it said the ability is growing,
just wait until this mc learn charm and make a harem army like a certain hero with bug goddess.

[Nobusora]

Touka parents were scum that goes dv to him, which drives Touka to want to kill his parents, but one day they vanished and leave him to uncle and aunt. These person are kind and loving Touka who owes for their kindness, suppress his violent emotion by acting good, as to be careful not to let his foster parents get noticed. This went until he forgot the old violent emotion.

The ailments normally has low probability and low effective time. He first used his skill on the goddess as last attempt but ineffective as she has blessing to nullify ailments. On the Disposal Ruin he found his skill actually has 100% success chance and works long enough for several minutes.

[sasuke706]

Originally Posted by Asuka'

Did his ability including self defense system to those such as null paralyze, null sleep, null poison, etc?

Bolded,
I'll say that is ailments as of bad status, not debuff (lower stat). Just my game language opinion.

Using sleep you can make an enemy or whole tribe of monster to sleep and simply massacare them slowly. (by a certain boy)

Using poison you can lure the enemy to the terrain and let them die by theirself. (by a certain girl in dungeon)

Not to mention it said the ability is growing,
just wait until this mc learn charm and make a harem army like a certain hero with bug goddess.

He can't nullify his own skill, no. Once it gets cast the opponent either needs to deal with it or wait until the duration is over.
Or if you meant does it give him resistance to enemy debuffs, then we don't know; no one bothers using them because they're trash.

Debuff is the shorthand term for "negative status ailment," and is about as a broad referral a term can be. You have to keep in mind that HP and MP are also stats.
For example, a DoT (damage over time) is a debuff, as well as reducing damage done by like 20%.
To turn this around, being healed over time (HoT) and a damage increase by 20% are both buffs.
In MMOs using shorthand is very common, so there are broad, vague terms so that the message can be typed faster as they may not have the time they'd like in order to type a message.
To go further in depth, a status ailment would just be a 'stat debuff.' Because no one's going to type ailment. A DoT would also be a damage debuff, which could get confusing as it overlaps with debuffs that lower damage.

The MC's favorite combo is stacking Paralyze and Poison. It's not like they're limited to one to effect.
Otherwise Paralyze and Berserk is also pretty nasty because that also makes you essentially tear yourself apart.
But yeah his main move if Paralyze by a landslide.

Charm would be interesting if the MC had a sex drive.
At best he keeps comparing the elf heroine to his aunt which is somehow supposed to be a compliment. Not very romantic.
His ability grows very slowly, by the way.


To add another random thing, I don't really understand how the stats work in this series.
The MC has stupidly high stats due his stupidly high level, and heroes are supposed to be stronger than natives due to natives not having this status system to aid them.
Yet every human enemy he fights he always ends up being the underdog because they can somehow get to him before he can say "paralyze" and his stats never seem to come into play for these fights.
But then later he accidentally hugs the elf a little to hard showing his high stats... It just isn't conveyed very well how helpful the stats are since they never get used in fights.

[Asuka']

Originally Posted by sasuke706

He can't nullify his own skill, no. Once it gets cast the opponent either needs to deal with it or wait until the duration is over.
Or if you meant does it give him resistance to enemy debuffs, then we don't know; no one bothers using them because they're trash.

The latter, i meant if he can resist those ailments.

Sigh, again with these kind of shallow thought japanese author given to their enemy character are.
No one bother using them means there are no poison user such as asassin or zombie dragon in that world? No poisoned plants, monster or food? Healer just do a hp healing and other buff and doesn't have cure or antidote skill?

Debuff is the shorthand term for "negative status ailment," and is about as a broad referral a term can be. You have to keep in mind that HP and MP are also stats.
For example, a DoT (damage over time) is a debuff, as well as reducing damage done by like 20%.
To turn this around, being healed over time (HoT) and a damage increase by 20% are both buffs.
In MMOs using shorthand is very common, so there are broad, vague terms so that the message can be typed faster as they may not have the time they'd like in order to type a message.
To go further in depth, a status ailment would just be a 'stat debuff.' Because no one's going to type ailment. A DoT would also be a damage debuff, which could get confusing as it overlaps with debuffs that lower damage.

I never heard dot or hot. Although hot maybe the same as hp regen.

I'm not playing mmo, only jrpg. And most of them uses word ailments for bad status, especially persona 4/5.
And the term debuff and buff i know is in coordinate with lower or raised status in number, dot isn't included.

[sasuke706]

There are people who use it, just no one notable. The debuff stuff is a very specific magic in this world (in contrast the protag's is a skill/ability and magic is not skill) and the duration, range, and effect are also apparently very lackluster. Even the heroine agrees that they're pretty trash, especially when seeing the protagonist's abilities.

That said the protagonist poisons some famous guy to death and a terrorist group claims it was their doing. So there are people who use the stuff to an extent.
We just never see them do anything on screen.

[Garn]

As far as I remember ...

In that world the probability that a debuff will take effect is rare and also depending on the objective the result may not be satisfactory, but the power of the MC is absolute and despite the limitations the effects are unavoidable, it's even doubtful if it doesn't really work against the goddess (I haven't read the last chapters that may clarify it).

Apart from the mercenaries, the enemies of the MC have always been the most powerful humans and even the monsters that the world fears, obviously omitting the enemies of that world (demons?) that still don't appear.

The MC doesn't trust his status, as an example that despite overcoming the humanly possible in front of true enemies could not put resistance just because he is not a sword master or have hand-to-hand combat experience, even so, close to the last chapters thanks to his status that in general gives him more resilience could face a tide of monsters for hours.

What I like about this novel is that the MC is powerful because doesn't let anyone discover his power while attacking, it depends more on how the MC uses his power than on the power itself.

The bad thing is that even though the MC is not hetare/donkan he wants to return to his world so he does not want to dig deeper into the main heroine.

[AnimeFangirl]

Originally Posted by sasuke706

To add another random thing, I don't really understand how the stats work in this series.
The MC has stupidly high stats due his stupidly high level, and heroes are supposed to be stronger than natives due to natives not having this status system to aid them.
Yet every human enemy he fights he always ends up being the underdog because they can somehow get to him before he can say "paralyze" and his stats never seem to come into play for these fights.
But then later he accidentally hugs the elf a little to hard showing his high stats... It just isn't conveyed very well how helpful the stats are since they never get used in fights.

Sounds like crap writing to me. It's like that manga with the farming hero with stats so high he one-shotted a dragon with a carrot. And then ever since then he's been struggling with battles even against minor mobs. It's ridiculous.

[wuhugm]

^Haha, I also read that manga, somehow all farming skills combined and then his stats shot up to like millions
Stats is stupid
Even in Berserk of Gluttony, it's just stupid
It's not a game brah, stop with stats

[Nobusora]

I wouldn't say Touka has stupidly high stats, compared to his classmates by growth rate, his stats is still mediocre and it's not like he has received any sudden buff from giant killing. I do agree that he does not yet check how much he is capable granted by his stats, probably, first, because he is occupied by the limited time he thought he have after the escape from the disposal ruins, secondly there is no way to know the natives stats, as he is not the type to take chances.

During the fight against the dragon knights, the situation are unfavorable to him, mainly being outnumbered, unknown status and skill of his enemies, especially the leader, that's keen enough to take distance, furthermore there is no guarantee that he can inflict them all in one instance.

The statement that braves are supposed to be stronger than natives are also suspicious. If indeed the statement is somehow just an excuse to get the interest of the summoned, then why is there any need to summon them? Some reasons are:
- to politically enhance the status of the goddess
- it does not hurt to have easily controlled pawns that can be used in many ways
- Jaouso, mainly the negative aura might also come in play, as this aura weakens foes, but we still haven't see if this also affect the braves or not.

Well, if the author give chances to explain more in detail about the these stats...

Also the part where Touka hugs the elf hard does not show about his high stats, at least for me.

[Garn]

Seriously, this is not a novel where the MC can do anything, if you put in class terms the MC would be support, he doesn't have combat skills or magic only debuff. His status is high but it's nothing in comparison to the other heroes apart from that he has no experience fighting or using any weapon.
The MC has always fought against the most powerful enemies but it is mostly the MC who overwhelms the enemies except the most powerful among them that even the heroes could not defeat.

Spoiler for Comparative:

LV1 MC
ＨＰ：＋３
ＭＰ：＋３３
攻撃：＋３
防御：＋３
体力：＋３
速さ：＋３
賢さ：＋３
称号：Ｅ級勇者

LV1 Weak S Hero
ＨＰ：＋７００
ＭＰ：＋３００
攻撃：＋１３００
防御：＋３００
体力：＋５００
速さ：＋７００【＋５００】
賢さ：＋７００
称号：Ｓ級勇者】

LV １７８９ MC
ＨＰ:＋５３６７
ＭＰ:＋５９０３７
攻撃:＋５３６７
防御:＋５３６７
体力:＋５３６７
速さ:＋５３６７
賢さ:＋５３６７
称号：Ｅ級勇者】

The heroes Lv already exceed 500 (or 900? the top one)

Basically the MC against those who have fought so far is as a novice bodybuilder (only malformed muscles) will fight against a mixed-arts fighter (strength, speed and technique).

The heroes would also lose because they do not know how to fight, but even so they have much more power than the MC with long distance attacks and greater destructive power

The only special thing about the heroes is their fast growth and the special skills, apart from that, the world is full of superhumans and even the true enemies still don't appear (if they are).

[sasuke706]

You have to take more than just stat increase rate and base stats into consideration.

Spoiler for :

The MC is currently level 2019. That means all his stats are:
ＨＰ:＋6057
ＭＰ:＋66627
攻撃:＋6057
防御:＋6057
体力:＋6057
速さ:＋6057
賢さ:＋6057

The 'weak' S-rank hero (who specializes in the Attack stats and is a potential heroine) at her current level is:
　ＬＶ１４３
　ＨＰ：＋１９３５
　ＭＰ：＋３１７８
　攻撃：＋２０４８３
　防御：＋２８６２
　体力：＋３３３１
　速さ：＋１６１１【＋５００】
　賢さ：＋１７１２
She's only considered weak because she doesn't have a unique skill like most other high rank heroes. Low rank heroes generally don't, with the protagonist being the exception.
Incidentally the +500 on her agility is because of an item she has, which every hero comes with. The protagonist's is a daily RNG food bag.

Now, you can see that their growth rates are obviously very different. Protagonist grows in 3 per stat per level, 33 for MP. His is pretty easy to memorize.
The S rank hero's growth stats per level are:
　ＨＰ：＋8.64
　ＭＰ：＋20.13
　攻撃：＋134.15
　防御：＋17.92
　体力：＋19.80
　速さ：＋6.37
　賢さ：＋7.08
So she has a higher growth rate and a higher starting point, but she levels slower.
Take into account that MP doesn't seem important for her, and her agility is bad compared to her other stats. Although this isn't necessarily accurate since apparently their growth rates diminished after hitting level 100.
My issue with the MC not using his stats is he should be able to outspeed everyone, even maintaining distance if he has to in order to just say "paralyze".
But he always acts as if he's as slow as a turtle, as if anything he ever does will be too late.

You also have consider the ecosystem and leveling process. She will likely never be nearly the level the protagonist is.
The protagonist seems to have a faster leveling rate in general (it gets mentioned that the other heroes' level rate slowly down dramatically after hitting 100), and her means to kill monsters to level up are also much more limited not to mention less efficient.
On top of that, the monsters they kill to level up—the gold-eye monsters or the face monsters—are supposed to be somewhat limited. They're rare compared to normal monsters but are the ideal experience source, meaning competition with the other heroes is pretty fierce. People and animals do not give experience, and I don't think normal monsters do either but I can't remember.
On top of that, the protagonist has already wiped out two breeding grounds for these gold-eye EXP monsters. It's questionable if they even have anywhere good left to level, and are about to get sent to the front lines to fight a war where they won't level up anymore. Plus, the face monsters are supposed to be stupidly strong so most heroes probably can't farm them, when the MC can.
It's a situation where he's basically already hogged all the good resources.

There's also separate skill levels. Like each of the protagonist's debuffs have their own level, and Paralyze just recently reached level 4 I believe.
We learn another S-rank hero's skill, 金色龍鳴波 has also just turned level 3 (the person himself is over level 200) where as most of the protagonist's debuffs have individually reached level 3. So not the fastest growth rate on those.

There's also "Skill Trees" that heroes have that we don't really learn much about.
The S rank hero girl seems to not have a unique skill, but her skill tree is different from everyone else's in that she can't learn any common skills, but can learn special battle skills. No details about that, but she's very attack-specialized.
Heroes can also learn common skills, but again we learn very little of this and the protagonist doesn't seem to ever learn any. We do learn that other heroes learn debuff common skills but they can't figure out a use for them either.

In summary, the protagonist's advantages are:
-He's already hogged the easiest to find experience sources, preventing others from leveling up
-The other heroes have to compete among each other for even the little EXP left, on top of getting sent to the frontlines soon where leveling should become next to impossible since people don't give EXP
-His stat growth rate has not diminished nor has his level growth rate or unique skill growth rate slowed down, whereas other heroes' stat growth, leveling rate, and unique skill leveling rate are notably getting worse as they level up
-Has two pet monsters to cover for his weaknesses (range and mobility).

In turn, the other heroes:
-Have unknown but probably powerful unique skills (but not all, only the higher ranking heroes)
-Have skill trees that enable them to learn helpful skills that could give them an edge. Odds are they won't get high enough in the tree to make a difference, though
-In hero girl's case, her attack stat is becoming absurd because it hasn't shown any real diminished in growth yet and can gain unique attack skills no one else can
-Items that give a fixed boost to their stats (Protag's seem to be the only 'special' effect, in that he gets food)
And a good deal of them are probably gonna die in the war.

Odds are the other heroes will never hit a high enough level to overpower the MC with stats.
The diminishing returns should be super obvious when the S rank hero (male) used his unique skill, it leveled up to 2 after two uses, but has only reached level 3 over 200 levels later.
Assuming this continues even their stat growth rates will be worse than the protagonist's eventually. In game terms the protag is a late-game carry.

[Garn]

True, I just wanted to imply that the base and the potential of the MC is the worst among the main heroes, but it's thanks to his absolute power that he holds in the limited area (as long as he has mana and doesn't meet the limitations), anyone who know his power already gets an advantage.

Somewhere I think the MC says that just because he has high status doesn't mean that he uses all the potential (for never training), like when he can't keep up with the attacks that the elf does in her training at the same time he would not react so fast just to be able to see it (like throwing a ball in the face).

I believe that not even 1 month has passed since he arrived in that world, while the other heroes have trained, the MC continues to travel to quickly obtain the power to kill the goddess before the she discover that he is still alive, it's even revealed that he has hardly slept at least since he started traveling with the elf

Finally, the main enemies of the MC have been those who are considered the pillars of power in that world, be human or monsters, the guardian of the door (laser beams, long distance and instant attack), the dragon knights head + all the group (the pinnacle of human power (?)) and the "human face"monster (?, the only one in detail has tentacles with which can slaughters in seconds).

[sasuke706]

Yeah I don't get his sleep thing. If I recall he slept for maybe a few minutes at one point but mostly does all-nighters.
I assume his stats are what keep him awake because that's like probably lethal levels of insomnia. The human record of staying awake is like 11 days or something.

Also, I did more math regarding stats for the hero girl.

Spoiler for Hero girl growth rate from Lv. 115 to 148:

Levels 115-148 stat growth rate (28 levels) per level:
HP: 19.46
MP: 10.71
攻撃：339.29
防御：21.64
体力：36.36
速さ：1.32
賢さ：9.36

Her (overall) average growth rate from 1-143, excluding base stats of course, was:
ＨＰ：＋8.64
ＭＰ：＋20.13
攻撃：＋134.15
防御：＋17.92
体力：＋19.80
速さ：＋6.37
賢さ：＋7.08

I find this amusing for one, her agility actually does grow slower than the MC's now. She will literally never be as fast as him. Might have movement boost combat skills, though.
Secondly, her other stats save for MP actually increase compared to the overall average. Meaning she had a huge dip in stat growth at one point but now it worked its way back up to an extent. Odd, considering pre-100 was supposed to be the prime.
Thirdly, her attack growth rate is actually growing rapidly instead of diminishing. I guess she's aiming to become one-punch girl.

Presumably she had a constant, solid growth rate up to level 100 but as I couldn't find her stats before level 100 yet after level 1, I don't know what those would be.
So I did the next best thing I used the only other two examples there are.
Could be that her 'special' skill tree has stat growth passive skills.

And here's the two stats if you want to math yourself.

Spoiler for :

【アヤカ・ソゴウ】
　ＬＶ１１５
　ＨＰ：＋１３９０
　ＭＰ：＋２８７８
　攻撃：＋１０９８３
　防御：＋２２５６
　体力：＋２３１３
　速さ：＋１５７４【＋５００】
　賢さ：＋１４５０
【称号：Ｓ級勇者】

【アヤカ・ソゴウ】
　ＬＶ１４３
　ＨＰ：＋１９３５
　ＭＰ：＋３１７８
　攻撃：＋２０４８３
　防御：＋２８６２
　体力：＋３３３１
　速さ：＋１６１１【＋５００】
　賢さ：＋１７１２
【称号：Ｓ級勇者】