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Old 2007-07-17, 08:13   Link #61
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It's more like the x264 rules (they are called that actually); The one thing i don't understand is why it's all about x264 when there are enough other h264 encoders out there (like MainConcepts one)? That x264 is free doesnt really seem as a legit reason to me. It does seem however as if they are confusing an encoder with a standard. Even the naming of files should be with x264 instead of h264 (can't remember needing x264 to decode h264)
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Old 2007-07-17, 08:19   Link #62
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It's surprising, but the new h264 rules that have come about so far for TV shows and for movies are actually pretty good. There a still a few problems -- but hey, it's a standard, what do you expect
one of the "few problems" is file size, I suppose?

@above: opensource implementation for h264, perhaps? just as LAME to mp3
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Old 2007-07-17, 08:25   Link #63
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Even though x264 is opensource, it is as powerful as other 264 codecs. So it's a preferred choice!
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Old 2007-07-17, 08:45   Link #64
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one of the "few problems" is file size, I suppose?

@above: opensource implementation for h264, perhaps? just as LAME to mp3
Not really. Filesizes are based off DVD multiples (ie 0.25DVD, 1DVD, 1.5DVD, etc), so the same as what currently exists, just for the newer optical format.
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Old 2007-07-17, 10:23   Link #65
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Not really. Filesizes are based off DVD multiples (ie 0.25DVD, 1DVD, 1.5DVD, etc), so the same as what currently exists, just for the newer optical format.
well since most of time we encodes exceeding even the high profile to improve the efficiency of the compression, means that we'd need higher bitrate when trying to comply to standards to obtain same quality with unrestricted ones.
Or there're something wrong with the way I'm thinking?
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Old 2007-07-17, 12:19   Link #66
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The scene filesize standards (at least for XviD movies) are really dumb because they specify size simply based on the length of the movie and doesn't pay any attention whatsoever to actual compressibility. I haven't read the H.264 standards so I dunno about those but I imagine it'll be the same dumb shit again.

Edit: yep, it is. Also has some pretty funky restraints concerning resizing and what resizing algorithms you have to use (I wonder how they will enforce that rule).
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Old 2007-07-17, 17:08   Link #67
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I say we go encode some scene stuff and cause a riot/show them how it's done (to our methods).

Then again I can't be bothered.
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Old 2007-07-18, 01:01   Link #68
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It's not like the scene do not know how to encode a good release. It's just they do not want to!

I guess because the warez scene is much bigger than anime scene, thus there are rules to control them?
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Old 2007-07-18, 02:31   Link #69
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It's not like the scene do not know how to encode a good release. It's just they do not want to!
no I'm pretty sure "the scene" in general and its average encoder (read: autogk button pusher) doesn't know shit all about encoding

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the warez scene is much bigger than anime scene, thus there are more idiots to control them
fixed that for you
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Old 2007-07-18, 03:09   Link #70
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Even if they would know, they wouldn't do it.

The aim of teams in the Warez Scene is to release things first (because the first to release something wins, get credits/new axx and so can leech stuffs from the others teams), so yeah, the less time it take to encode, the best is it for them.

Though they could afford good computers and do a fine encode at the same speed

And as it's some rips things and mostly not fansub, they are lazy and so, yeah, use automatic things to encode (it's not the same as someone who would do a fansub and so, knowing the time he spent to do it, want to try to get the best video quality he can).

Because, in this case, if people really want the original quality, the DVD is available as it's a rip.
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Old 2007-07-19, 00:18   Link #71
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Though they could afford good computers and do a fine encode at the same speed
That's silly, they'd obviously do the same (shit) encode at at faster speed to get it out first.
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Old 2007-07-19, 01:02   Link #72
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Of course, I said they "could" do, no, "they would do", because there's no doubt they would keep the same encoding method, to do it faster than before.
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Old 2007-07-19, 02:58   Link #73
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There is nothing wrong with using GUIs. Windows is basically just a giant GUI in the first place. Encoding with scripts doesnt make you a better encoder, it is knowing which script/filter to use for what purpose.

Besides, most people who use scripts are using a script someone else wrote in the first place. And if you don't have the script your SOL now arn't ya? True though, most GUIs do not have the numerous options more experienced encoders would like. But that is changing. alot of people are working on their own GUIs, although none are reliable atm.

as for x264, I did not like it. maybe I had some installation problems but it did not do what I was asking it to do. Staxrip did the same job basically and has always been reliable so far, granted not exactly HQ.

edit: i mean in some of the other GUIs i tested it with
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Old 2007-07-19, 06:45   Link #74
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Yes...x264 installation...that would be the extract from compressed archive part? Or in the case of x264.nl...just download?

Complex stuff... let's play with bunnies instead.
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Old 2007-07-19, 08:08   Link #75
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megui worked fine with me (actually, I'm too lazy to make any batch script. and I can add custom command with it (eg aq-strength) so no problem for me).
the problem comes when ppl trying to use gui blindly (or ignorantly) without knowing what happens in background.
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Old 2007-07-19, 08:28   Link #76
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Yes...x264 installation...that would be the extract from compressed archive part? Or in the case of x264.nl...just download?

Complex stuff... let's play with bunnies instead.
Even in the case of megui, it's just download, double click, hit install and press update... The main problem with megui is having to have .NET installed :/.

But who can resist the temptation to play with bunnies?
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Old 2007-07-19, 14:27   Link #77
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I've been finding x264 encodes hard to play on my older machine (1 gHz laptop with 640mb RAM). But I just got Byousoku 5cm in x264 and it was excellent in every way.

So I'm just asking that people encode with settings that make x264 as playable as possible on underpowered machines.

And I'm more in favor of the best possible encode at around 200Mb or less, rather than any attempt to squeeze down into rmvb-type file sizes.
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Old 2007-07-19, 16:49   Link #78
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No, they are not all just straight forward installs, one of the programs installed the old vobsub and overwrote CCCP. subtitles stopped displaying and I had to reinstall it. also one of the programs, not sure which, installed VdubMod as default and that caused problems for the mpeg2 version.

kaoru, making a bad h264 video is kind of pointless. you will just have to be content with the xvid version ;0;
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Old 2007-07-19, 16:57   Link #79
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So make sure you're downloading the correct thing? MeGUI seems to be the best one out there for x264, seeing as it uses the CLI version of x264 with the aq-strength patch applied and also has an AviSynth script creator, so those that feel the need can still have their complex filter chains. IIRC, it doesn't mess with your codec packs.
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Old 2007-07-19, 17:02   Link #80
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And I'm more in favor of the best possible encode at around 200Mb or less, rather than any attempt to squeeze down into rmvb-type file sizes.
Just so you know, some shows (especially ones with shitty raws to begin with) reach average quants of 16-18 on all frames around 100 MB (or even LESS in some cases, see Night Head Genesis or Victorian Romance Emma Second Act; the former had some eps where average quant 18 or so was reached on all frames at video bitrates <400kbps, IIRC) which makes it quite pointless to throw more bitrate at them. On other hand, some shows need 200+ MB to look really good. Which is why the bitrate rules are dumb.
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