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Old 2007-08-13, 16:09   Link #2221
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It works as good marketing, but if one show or another over does it it's gonna get common.

But Lucky Star has every right to do it!!! One reason the main character is an otaku girl named Konata who likes anime stuff and games alot.

But what about parodies from movies?
The whole show is a current Japanese pop culture parody. There's parody/references from almost every part of current Japanese life, but we only see the otaku stuff here because that's all most people know. That's why I started to write my ref list because some references are designed to stump the otakus (TV shows and sports being the most frequently used.)

I don't have a problem with KyoAni/Kadokawa product placement in the show - Lucky Star was CREATED to push products in a Kadokawa magazine and Haruhi is like a sister show to Lucky Star. In the Japanese culture, the IN group is supposed to be looking out for the other member of the group. Lucky Star referencing Kadokawa manga/magazines and KyoAni anime is acceptable. Unlike the product placement that's rampant in US TV and movies, most of the L*S references are actually funny. The promotion of other companies like the Animate stores is a bit questionable for me, but at least I thought they did a good job. The Anime Tenchou sections are mostly good.

Again, people, before you think KyoAni is some hot shot company - only a few years ago KyoAni is a little known shop in the middle of animation desert (Kyoto is not a hot bed of animation industry). It faces stiff competition and discrimination from larger, more established Tokyo houses and it usually gets filler works or sub-par OVAs. It's it only recently it became an otaku favorite. They still face some of the same issue they've faced before like Kanto snobbery, so I don't blame them for doing everything they can to promote their sister properties. Kadokawa is in a similar place facing competition from Japan's Big Three publishing houses. Again, I don't blame them one bit.

Lucky Star is a VERY Japanese show made with Japanese cultural ethics. We should not use our gaijin eyes to judge them when it comes to product placement/promotions. I personally love the references to death and the effect it has on otakus - I can imagine many of them just start reading a economic book by an accountant and mainstream TV shows about smart cats and dogs just because of Lucky Star. L*S have have single handedly brought many otaku out of hikkomori-dom and back to the real world again.
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Old 2007-08-13, 16:20   Link #2222
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When L*S first started I had to get each episode as soon as possible, but now it's become sort of a deal in which I'll watch the raw if I'm in the mood to make avatars, and as for subs? Eh, forget about them. I haven't watched any subs since episode eight or nine, I catch a random raw every now and then...

Call me unfair, unreasonable, dumb, whatever.... I can't "make" myself like all the product placement like most people do. You're being reasonable and bringing up good points, but I still can't force myself to like it. (Kind of like, "this curry uses the freshest ingredients and a special spicy sauce - everyone loves it and for good reasons!"... Sorry, I still hate curry. ) So, I'm just going to accept that I'm weird and get on with it. I'll watch all of L*S completely sometime... probably when all the hype is over.
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Old 2007-08-13, 16:27   Link #2223
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Actually the episode titles seem to be random anime or cultural references that had nothing to do with the episode. For example episode one is titled "The Girl who Runs Swiftly" Tsuppashiru Onna in reference to El Cazador de la Bruja, but that title has no relation to that episode. It doesnt even really apply to Konata because she is not that much of a runner.... Anyone here watches Sayonara Sad Sensei? The anime version has a lot of Lucky Star references.
In fact, Konata is a great runner, as shown in that episode (ep1). I'm sorry to say that I believe your point is actually quite incorrect, and every episode title does have some relevance to the episode, whatever outside references it may or may not have. That ep1's title would refer to El Cazador is unlikely, since the two shows both began airing in April.

But I am watching Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and loving both the show and the various references in it, including those to LS.

On the matter of references, I finally noticed the string of "special thanks" in the end credits, which seem to cover some of the companies one might consider offended against. Such as Gundam Ace Publishers, Type-Moon, and Kasukabe Kyouei High School, for ep19. Of course, GOTT and the SOS-Dan are in there, too....
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Old 2007-08-13, 17:23   Link #2224
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If anyone, Bandai should license it. With the just-about constant Haruhi references, any other company just wouldn't seem right...

And for the record, Nanako Kuroi really looks nothing like Edward Elric, due to the completely different eye color, hair length and style, clothing, gender, and overall body structure. Besides, do you actually see Kuroi strutting around with an automail arm? :P
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Old 2007-08-13, 17:40   Link #2225
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And for the record, Nanako Kuroi really looks nothing like Edward Elric, due to the completely different eye color, hair length and style, clothing, gender, and overall body structure. Besides, do you actually see Kuroi strutting around with an automail arm? :P
lol!! Funny mental picture.

I can see the resemblance though - it's mostly the blond bangs and the style of them, but they also have a similar "eye style" (the way their eyes are drawn are more similar than Edward's and Tsukasa's, for example). This is coming from someone who's seen a total of two episodes of FMA so maybe a hardcore fan will disagree.
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Old 2007-08-13, 17:57   Link #2226
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But I am watching Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and loving both the show and the various references in it, including those to LS.
I am too.. I just watch the first episode of Zetsubou Sensei.. OMG... how can anyone translate this one... the references are flying off the shelf on this one, and most of the obscure or very, very Japanese.... they even made fun of the Rakuten Golden Eagles' logo AND the manager's bald head... So many references to historical figures and books... aiyaiyai... I don't think I'm qualify to comment on Zetsubou sensei... I'm in total awe. You would have to be a full-fledged Japanese intellectual well versed in every aspect of post-war Japan to really get all the references. This is almost like an independent film of the anime world. I really like it and I admire people who created it. I really doubt there will be more anime like it, since I can't imagine any otaku getting most of the reference. This anime is a work of art.

I think I'll stick to the everyday, simple pop culture references of Lucky Star.
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Old 2007-08-13, 20:42   Link #2227
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And for the record, Nanako Kuroi really looks nothing like Edward Elric, due to the completely different eye color, hair length and style, clothing, gender, and overall body structure. Besides, do you actually see Kuroi strutting around with an automail arm? :P
Also, Kuroi sensei is tall... we all know how much of a shrimp Edward is...

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Old 2007-08-13, 20:59   Link #2228
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Bandai-America has Suzumiya Haruhi series... and with the forceful product tie-in, it would be almost astounding if Bandai didn't also do Lucky*Star's english anime release.

If I were the owner of Bandai, I'd probably shoot anyone who screwed up those negotiations It should be interesting though watching the dance between Kadokawa, Bandai, and KyoAni.
Semantics, semantics, but... Kadokawa brought Haruhi to the U.S. themselves, and simply chose Bandai U.S.A. as a partner/contractor to do production/distribution work on their behalf. This is similar to how they chose Funimation to do the marketing/distribution for FMP:TSR, with ADV doing the dubbing, or how they got RightStuf to work on The Third. I'm sure there was some sort of negotiations involved, but it wasn't your typical license negotiation game. So, it actually doesn't matter much whether Bandai works on Lucky Star or not, and there isn't even any sort of guarantee that Bandai would work on the next season of Haruhi Suzumiya. In the end, it's Kadokawa themselves who'll benefit most from the tie-ins and so on (which is to say, just as it is in Japan). So, it's semantics, but relevent nonetheless. This is why it'd be fair to say that pretty much anything Kadokawa releases in Japan, including Lucky*Star, is "licensed" from the get-go (they have a company to represent their licenses in the U.S.), but we're simply waiting for a sort of "statement of intention to release".
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Old 2007-08-13, 21:54   Link #2229
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Ah, I see.... I thought Bandai was more of an equal partner in the sense of purchasing the content for dubbing and distribution.

Hmmm, makes me wonder how much Kadokawa was involved in the dub project. Actually, the whole power arrangement is interesting since often the "written material" (manga, etc) people sign away creative control to the animation producers, which sometimes gives us the eye-searing trainwrecks manga-readers love to hate. Synergistic Leveraging *cough* 'blarrrr'

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Old 2007-08-13, 22:06   Link #2230
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Ah, I see.... I thought Bandai was more of an equal partner in the sense of purchasing the content for dubbing and distribution.

Hmmm, makes me wonder how much Kadokawa was involved in the dub project.
If you want my guess, I bet it's some sort of profit-sharing scheme, but there's no way to know what goes on behind closed doors. From what I could tell from the marketing campaign leading up to the Haruhi release though (incl. those ASOS videos), it seemed like it was probably Bandai guiding the process, with Kadokawa overseeing/approving (which would make sense -- the whole reason to partner with a local company like that would be to draw on their experience/expertise). That being said, Kadokawa apparently did keep the rights to the English Adaptation (as per the bottom of the box). They have Bandai listed as "co-producer" and "distributor".

All in all, I think it's a pretty interesting and smart arrangement for all parties, and I bet we'll see more to come.
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Old 2007-08-13, 22:11   Link #2231
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It is kind of nice to see the japanese industry getting past the "why on earth would someone not from Japan be interested in any of this stuff?" and being smart about the execution.
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It is kind of nice to see the japanese industry getting past the "why on earth would someone not from Japan be interested in any of this stuff?" and being smart about the execution.
Unlike say, Toei... *cough*4kids*cough*

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Old 2007-08-15, 07:38   Link #2233
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A friend of mine in another formulated this idea. All credit goes to him.

Character Counter Parts

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I've managed to formulate character counterparts. Kagami's group however is lacking one more girls to complete the table.

Konata --- Misao --- Patricia
Tsukasa --- Yutaka
Miyuki --- Ayano --- Iwasaki
Kagami --- Hiyori

Counterparts are based on matching personalities. Very hard though.

CONCLUSION: Somebody else is missing.
Who?
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Old 2007-08-15, 13:06   Link #2234
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Judging from wikipedia, I can't see any others that would fit. The only other character their age would be Shiraishi. Unless there's a character not listed that's in the manga... I wouldn't know.
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Old 2007-08-15, 13:35   Link #2235
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Kagami --- Hiyori
The grouping only kinda make sense, but if you need to add anyone to this list then it would be Akira. That's if this group is "tsundere-type girls who blushes a lot". Akira a closet Tsundere who blushes...kinda.
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Old 2007-08-15, 23:30   Link #2236
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For those who care, EnA have just released episodes 12-16 so catch up while you can!

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Cripes..... I'll have to head to campus for that amount of MB. Glad to hear they're back in ops.
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Old 2007-08-15, 23:56   Link #2238
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Lucky Star Haiku

I wrote this for the Saimoe Tournament... to be posted when Kagami is up for vote. It's a haiku for Kagamin:

はにかみな
鏡の下に
兔恋

Hanikami na
Kagami no shita ni
Usagi koi

English Translation:
Underneath the embarrassed mirror (Kagami), a rabbit's love affair.

Anyone else want to write poems for L*S? (probably not). I am going to work on one for Tsukasa too.
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Old 2007-08-17, 12:08   Link #2239
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I wrote this small poem for Akira Kogami.
She somehow inspired me a Norse mythology feeling...


A Lucky Star shines in the night sky
Her Channel is seen throughout the Nine Worlds
Our Navigator guides us through the seas of Midgard

Her sleeves are longer than Jörmungandr
Her ashtray is heavier than Mjöllnir
Her angry voice is deeper than Ginnungagap

Mightiest of idols
Rival of main characters
Enemy of producers

Smile, rage, beauty and contempt
The otaku's navigator and Minoru's terror



explanation of the mythological references:

-Midgard is the world inhabited by humans
-Jörmungandr is a giant sea serpent that encircles Midgard
-Mjöllnir is the hammer of Thor, his mighty weapon
-Ginnungagap was a vast windy emptiness that existed in the beginning
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Old 2007-08-17, 21:26   Link #2240
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^- I wonder if Akira would be happy and appreciate your effort, or if she would dislike being likened to such powerful attributes... >_>

Love the poem though! (^w^)b To quote Kona: Get!
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