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Old 2007-08-20, 22:18   Link #121
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Edit: Ignore this post since the page has been edited again.

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Um can someone go and edit that wikipedia page I just wanted to read what they put for reception in japan and it has spoilers...unmarked spoilers 0_0...someone >.> FIX
They should be removed now unless someone else edits the page again, but I didn't barely add any new text so it's a bit empty at some places.

In case anyone wonders I've also edited some incorrect information (Komari being the main heroine etc) and rearranged the characters to a more appropriate order due to their importance in the story.

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Old 2007-08-20, 22:21   Link #122
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There are still some big spoilers in the character section. I don't know if that's someone else's job, but whoever it is has a selective definition of 'spoilers.'
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Old 2007-08-20, 22:27   Link #123
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There are still some big spoilers in the character section. I don't know if that's someone else's job, but whoever it is has a selective definition of 'spoilers.'
Those are the same spoilers that I removed, so someone else is just editing them back again.
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Old 2007-08-20, 23:53   Link #124
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Those are the same spoilers that I removed, so someone else is just editing them back again.
gah....i hate those people >.> bunch of assholes. Thank you anyway for helping out. I'm glad I didn't read everything.
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Old 2007-08-21, 01:52   Link #125
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OMG... I just had a read through to see if I could fix something but it looks like they keep re-editing the spoilers back in. >.<

The whole 'characters' section is spoilers... T_T
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Old 2007-08-21, 03:02   Link #126
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Looking at the Talk Pages, there's a nice little edit war going on with lot's of drama. The one user Juhachi seems likely to reupload the plot outline soon and report an incident.
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Old 2007-08-21, 03:13   Link #127
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Has any of the spoiler data been released in the manga adaptation? If it has, then chances are the information this Juhachi guy is editing back in is legitimate. HOWEVER, if they have not been published in the manga, it goes against Wikipedia's Notability guidelines; as there is no justifiable source of the information and has no real world relevance.
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Old 2007-08-21, 04:23   Link #128
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Would a manga adaptation count as a reliable secondary source? Seeing that it's just another fictional presentation (as opposed to a discussion of real-world info), that seems to stretch the definition a bit.

The Little Busters! article is arguably notable thanks to the development and release information (all of which probably originate from published interviews or wherever. That must be cited or else the entire article is bunk). Those sections give the article some real-world relevance.

As a preference, I have no problems with spoilers provided that an article is marked accordingly. After all, there're creative works that some people will never experience, so a short but complete summary might be good for research/historical purposes (after all, this is an encyclopedia of sorts, not a product description catalog). Wikipedia specifically allows spoilers, so I don't think any policy has been broken.
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Old 2007-08-21, 08:59   Link #129
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Well it looks like the last removal of the spoilers has been reverted again. The weird thing is, I don't see spoiler information like this on the other Key games' pages. Oh well... guess it's up to those Wiki-ers...
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Old 2007-08-21, 20:41   Link #130
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Reading The Spoilers I have come to a conclusion:

Spoiler:


Spoiler for Idea For Next Key Game By Maeda:

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Old 2007-08-22, 04:59   Link #131
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[QUOTE=Kaioshin_Sama;1107291]Reading The Spoilers I have come to a conclusion:

Spoiler:


Spoiler for Question about the spoiler...:
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Old 2007-08-22, 12:51   Link #132
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[QUOTE=Tensami;1107978]
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Reading The Spoilers I have come to a conclusion:

Spoiler:


Spoiler for Question about the spoiler...:
Spoiler for Response::
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Old 2007-08-23, 05:10   Link #133
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Uhm...i'm here to ask your help...i've played all the girls routes (Komari, Rin (BAD), Mio, Haruka, Yuiko, Kudo), then i re-played Rin's route but (except a few new sentences) it comes out again the BAD END!°.°" Am i doing something wrong?
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Old 2007-08-23, 06:15   Link #134
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Uhm...i'm here to ask your help...i've played all the girls routes (Komari, Rin (BAD), Mio, Haruka, Yuiko, Kudo), then i re-played Rin's route but (except a few new sentences) it comes out again the BAD END!°.°" Am i doing something wrong?
There should only be two choices in the beginning of Rin's route that determines how it will end, first encourage her to guide the visitors through the school and then make Riki raise his own hand to become the second guide. So it's exactly the same thing as during her bad end, if there's something else messing it up then I don't know what it could be.

It should get different as soon as that part is done.
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Old 2007-08-23, 07:52   Link #135
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There should only be two choices in the beginning of Rin's route that determines how it will end, first encourage her to guide the visitors through the school and then make Riki raise his own hand to become the second guide. So it's exactly the same thing as during her bad end, if there's something else messing it up then I don't know what it could be.

It should get different as soon as that part is done.
Unfortunately my japanese is veeeeeery poor so it's almost sure that i messed up!>-<" I followed a japanese tutorial for Rin's route, but i was a little confused in certain points!>.<" Surely i missed something!!! Anyway thanks a lot for your advice!=^-^=
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Old 2007-08-26, 11:15   Link #136
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Those of us who are not able to play the game due to language issues BUT are interested in LB! would rather prefer that those spoiler-ish information to stay there. Just mark it as spoiler (Wiki has this feature I'm sure of it) and move on.

The reception for this game has been pretty underwhelming so far. This does not bode well for Key.
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Old 2007-08-26, 15:58   Link #137
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Underwhelming as in over at Japan?
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Old 2007-08-26, 17:03   Link #138
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It's not doing all too well on erogamescape and I've read some pretty bad reviews as well.
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Old 2007-08-26, 23:19   Link #139
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I'd like to quote an Unregistered user at Visualnews forums:

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The only ones complaining are

-Hardcore Key fanboys who don't like the whole non-Keyish setting and atmosphere in general

-People who think everyone should have died because it's not Key if nobody dies

-"Special" individuals who can't comprehend the plot ("I don't get it, therefore it sucks").

-2ch antis (anti-whateveritis trolls, we get them for everything)

-Idiots who barely understand Japanese and base all of their comments on reviews by antis

-Dumbasses who don't understand Japanese and are basing all of their comments on the ones by idiots who barely understand Japanese and base all of their comments on reviews by antis
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Old 2007-08-26, 23:32   Link #140
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I can totally see the first two happening. The later ones are true for everything so no need to comment on them.


EDIT: Indeed they probably went into Little Busters expecting something a lot like Kanon, Air, or Clannad. My current volume of knowledge suggests Little Busters is very different from the two previous games.

It can be hard for one to get into a game like Little Busters without feeling the immediate urge to compare it to previous Key games. Especially since fans have come to associate Key with the "Cute girls that die in tragic, tear-jerking stories," meme. It can be hard to judge Little Busters independently without that bias.

I think I'm fortunate in that aspect in that I haven't actually played the other Key games, only watched their anime versions, and can more readily approach Little Busters with an independent perspective.


In reality, as a slightly unrelated personal perspective, you can approach any piece of art or entertainment with one of two intentions: to see how good it is, or to see what it's about.

Hardcore Key game fans want to maintain an untarnished impression of the company and would most likely play Little Busters with the intent to see whether it lives up to Key's reputation, and when they find something that deviates from their expectations, they may come to feel betrayed by Key. It's a tiny fault, but betrayal is a strong emotion so it can contaminate the rest of their perception of the game.

Little Busters, as far as I've played it so far, is good for its own reasons.
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