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Old 2007-08-16, 01:01   Link #1
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VIA processors not dead apparently and other news.

Some of you guys maybe interested in this.

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070725PD206.html

twice as fast as the old architecture meaning what? It'll be what, quick by P2 standards? Nice to see that they're sort of in the game but holy cow what an underwhelming development.

Also I've heard a fairly disturbing rumour doing the rounds as well. Vienna (the successor to Vista) along with DX11 is already being planned for release in early 2009.

Other important dates Nvidia's 9800 series due for release late October/early November. Will definitely be on shelves for the xmas shopping period.
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Old 2007-08-16, 02:25   Link #2
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I think VIA sell a lot of small form factor Motherboard which don't take up much space and are used in stores and cost a lot less than other motherboards and CPU sets.
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Old 2007-08-16, 03:34   Link #3
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VIA specializes in energy-efficient processors, if I remember correctly. Unless I dreamt it up, AMD also gave them a cash infusion.
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Old 2007-08-16, 05:37   Link #4
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Laptop VIA chipsets are the bane of my life (as a person trying to get the gpu working in nix )

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And you were talking about processors *slaps self across the face*
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Old 2007-08-16, 06:49   Link #5
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Yeah, VIA seems to specialise in small or embedded systems...like in closed circuit TV systems, where pure power isn't the most vital thing in the world.

Pico-ITX, anyone?

Btw, do you have the source for the GeForce 9800 release?

As for Vienna, I think it's a little unlikely for there to be a release in early 2009. There's just not enough time ... 1 and a half years? It seems highly unlikely to me...especially given the unspectacular pickup of Vista. Maybe late 2010 is a more reasonable timeframe.
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Old 2007-08-16, 07:38   Link #6
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Actually if you consider nearly every new PC sold comes with vista, well I wouldn't say it's unspectacular.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/discussion/3953.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDI...ub-55548.shtml
q4 release to coincide with crysis. Also not it's become general knowledge that Nvidia plan to release a flagship model every Nov-Dec.
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Old 2007-08-16, 08:00   Link #7
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Actually if you consider nearly every new PC sold comes with vista, well I wouldn't say it's unspectacular.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/discussion/3953.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDI...ub-55548.shtml
q4 release to coincide with crysis. Also not it's become general knowledge that Nvidia plan to release a flagship model every Nov-Dec.
First, that was an underwhelming article you mentioned at the opening of the thread. I imagine that VIA is probably and will continue to be a provider for home-based budget systems in regards to chipsets.

At any rate, we must all realize the reality of Vista. We have unofficially dubbed Vista the new "Windows ME." This is because Vista was released as a interim between Windows XP and Windows Vienna (2009). You can, in fact, still purchase machines with Windows XP on them - you just have to deal with companies that give you the option or build it yourself. The point is, do not get too comfortable with Vista - it will be replaced shortly.
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Old 2007-08-16, 08:47   Link #8
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At any rate, we must all realize the reality of Vista. We have unofficially dubbed Vista the new "Windows ME." This is because Vista was released as a interim between Windows XP and Windows Vienna (2009). You can, in fact, still purchase machines with Windows XP on them - you just have to deal with companies that give you the option or build it yourself. The point is, do not get too comfortable with Vista - it will be replaced shortly.
That depends on if they delay as long as they have for Vista
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Old 2007-08-16, 08:55   Link #9
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First, that was an underwhelming article you mentioned at the opening of the thread. I imagine that VIA is probably and will continue to be a provider for home-based budget systems in regards to chipsets.

At any rate, we must all realize the reality of Vista. We have unofficially dubbed Vista the new "Windows ME." This is because Vista was released as a interim between Windows XP and Windows Vienna (2009). You can, in fact, still purchase machines with Windows XP on them - you just have to deal with companies that give you the option or build it yourself. The point is, do not get too comfortable with Vista - it will be replaced shortly.
I don't think Vista is as unworkable as ME was. I've used ME. No fun.

Vista never reached all the promises that Longhorn made though. WinFS would have been interesting. But if Vienna is going to have DX11, and the Geforce 9 series are going to be DX10.1 only, then well some people aren't going to be happy.

Plus, there's no guarantee that there's going to be sufficient adoption of DX10 by that time anyway.

edit: Anybody know anything about Intel's Larrabee Project since it was discussed some time ago?
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Old 2007-08-16, 09:19   Link #10
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I don't think Vista is as unworkable as ME was. I've used ME. No fun.

Vista never reached all the promises that Longhorn made though. WinFS would have been interesting. But if Vienna is going to have DX11, and the Geforce 9 series are going to be DX10.1 only, then well some people aren't going to be happy.

Plus, there's no guarantee that there's going to be sufficient adoption of DX10 by that time anyway.

edit: Anybody know anything about Intel's Larrabee Project since it was discussed some time ago?
Windows ME had its quirks and so does Vista. However, we all know that it will be replaced very soon and Vienna should be using WinFS.

DX10 seems like some kind of industry joke. I mean, they just released DX10.1 and said it will be 'compatible' with DX10 cards but not with all of the features. Perhaps the industry needs some time to catch up with DX before they release again.
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Old 2007-08-17, 00:06   Link #11
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Those only thing good about ME was the introduction of system restore, but it never worked. 98 was so much better. You could screw it up and as long as you had the installation CD you could reinstall the OS and all your old programs are back and running just like when you last booted correctly.

I'm glad I was right about the VIA processors. I knew I read that was what VIA chips were used for but couldn't remember exactly was the article said.
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Old 2007-08-17, 01:59   Link #12
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I think VIA sell a lot of small form factor Motherboard which don't take up much space and are used in stores and cost a lot less than other motherboards and CPU sets.
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VIA specializes in energy-efficient processors, if I remember correctly. Unless I dreamt it up, AMD also gave them a cash infusion.
For the last couple of weeks I've daydreaming about using a VIA mini-itx board to build a nice quiet, cool-running little HTPC, or building something cool that doesn't *look* like a PC.

Anyways, IIRC the VIA C3 & C7 chips perform comparably to PIII running at the same cpu speeds, so it should be enough to play regular DVDs and video files. Plus some mini-itx mbs already have built-in tv-out.
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Old 2007-08-17, 03:17   Link #13
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Same speed? Not even close. I had a VIA C3 800Mhz processor, and it ran like a Celeron 300Mhz processor. It could decode a DVD all right and divx 3, but not divx 5 and 6 or xvid without dropping frames.

Via processors should remain for low processing stuff or simple stuff. Like basic MS Office stuff, surfing web, home NAS/File server/NAT kind of thing.
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Old 2007-08-17, 03:18   Link #14
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For the last couple of weeks I've daydreaming about using a VIA mini-itx board to build a nice quiet, cool-running little HTPC, or building something cool that doesn't *look* like a PC.

Anyways, IIRC the VIA C3 & C7 chips perform comparably to PIII running at the same cpu speeds, so it should be enough to play regular DVDs and video files. Plus some mini-itx mbs already have built-in tv-out.
If you do the math, you will unfortunately see that the mini/nano/pico-itx boards are too expensive after you factor in case and other peripherals. I did some research and ended up with a mac mini, much more cost affective than Via.
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Old 2007-08-17, 03:33   Link #15
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Same speed? Not even close. I had a VIA C3 800Mhz processor, and it ran like a Celeron 300Mhz processor. It could decode a DVD all right and divx 3, but not divx 5 and 6 or xvid without dropping frames.

Via processors should remain for low processing stuff or simple stuff. Like basic MS Office stuff, surfing web, home NAS/File server/NAT kind of thing.
Exactly what I think. These Via processors are for really special requirements. I would go with an AOpen motherboard or a mac mini (I've heard Intel is going to produce something in mini-itx format as well).

Besides, mini-itx boards are usually picky with Linux.
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The VIA processors, are they able to run XP and Linux? And on a new install, if anyone knows this, how long does it take to boot up the system? I've been thinking about playing with one of these boards and this forum just reminded me of that.
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Old 2007-08-17, 13:58   Link #17
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The VIA processors, are they able to run XP and Linux? And on a new install, if anyone knows this, how long does it take to boot up the system? I've been thinking about playing with one of these boards and this forum just reminded me of that.
I doubt they can run XP decent
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Old 2007-09-03, 18:00   Link #18
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AMD news not really verified but sounds about right. Looks like the beginning of a new price war. http://www.tcmagazine.info/comments....=15914&catid=2

Might upgrade to a quad sooner rather than later
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