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Old 2007-11-02, 23:57   Link #14761
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Tsundere? Sophia wins hands-down

Meganekko?

USB!!!!!!!!!! FRIEDA NO POWAA DA MISETE YARE!!!!

I could also enter Kay into that category, since she's technically one
Just don't let Frieda drag Sophia or one of us into her secret world.

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Ripping his clothes with his massive muscles


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Shields Up, Weapons Online!!!!


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It still haunts 26...
My eyes and mind will forever be burned with the image...

Not mentioning Masako

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*NULL KICK! >>>> USB*

YES! The Sentai Chibis have drafted Keroko-tan! The End is Nigh!
Not even Null?????
*falls into Spartan well* NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU............

Note: after weekend, I'll be posting Linebacker's new friend, and hopefully Halloween Special, Chapter 8.

Oh, yes, expect the Gemini Sisters to sing either:
  • Eiyuu no Shi
  • Matsuri no Shi -NON STOP!!!-

Choose carefully.
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Old 2007-11-03, 00:11   Link #14762
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T3Y GIT DA BURN!!!!!!! >_< >_< >_< >_<
>_< >_< >_<

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But-but...

I'm a guy! *despair*.

Anything you could suggest would be awesome. Like I said, I'm ignorant of most of the ways the Nanoverse works: it's been ages since I've seen the first or second seasons, and last time I ran through StrikerS was when yesy finished 26. I've never seen/heard about the Sound Stages till I joined here, and except for a few 4komas, I didn't realize how rabid the fanbase was .

On the other hand, I'm from the Evangelion fanbase, who's average otaku will eat your soul for so much as looking at Eva funny.
So is Keroko, and most of us here

And for OC, it never hurts to ask regarding canon/fanon matters if you want to better integrate

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Just don't let Frieda drag Sophia or one of us into her secret world.
Why shouldn't we let her?




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My eyes and mind will forever be burned with the image...

Not mentioning Masako
[Vader] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! [/Vader]

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Note: after weekend, I'll be posting Linebacker's new friend, and hopefully Halloween Special, Chapter 8.

Oh, yes, expect the Gemini Sisters to sing either:
  • Eiyuu no Shi
  • Matsuri no Shi -NON STOP!!!-

Choose carefully.
So we can expect 50 minutes of non-stop dancing?!
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Old 2007-11-03, 00:14   Link #14763
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So is Keroko, and most of us here

And for OC, it never hurts to ask regarding canon/fanon matters if you want to better integrate
Taking what I wrote and helping me rewrite it would be awesome >.<

I'm not one of those whiny brats that are like "OMG YOU CRITICIZED EVERYTHING I HAVE DONE IT MUST BE A FLAME DDDX." Most of what he said was right, and I'm one to admit that. All of you have more experience than I do in the Nanoverse, so some heavy refinement/rebuilding would be sweet. Suggestion box is open pretty much.

And of course I'm working on rewriting parts myself.
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Old 2007-11-03, 00:15   Link #14764
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But-but...

I'm a guy! *despair*.
Tomoya: He's serious about it. So answer him back seriously too.

Kagerou: No wait... Um... I don't think I would be asked by a guy...

Sunohara: Why does gender matter? I think what matters is the passion!

Tomoya: Looks like you can say good stuff once in a blue moon.

Sunohara: Since deep down in my heart I'm a good guy.



(runs)

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Anything you could suggest would be awesome. Like I said, I'm ignorant of most of the ways the Nanoverse works: it's been ages since I've seen the first or second seasons, and last time I ran through StrikerS was when yesy finished 26. I've never seen/heard about the Sound Stages till I joined here, and except for a few 4komas, I didn't realize how rabid the fanbase was .

On the other hand, I'm from the Evangelion fanbase, who's average otaku will eat your soul for so much as looking at Eva funny.
As for fanbase of Nanoha, there's the 300 of us, sane logical NxY supporters...

...and then there's the rabid millions of lost-cause NxF shippers...

...not forgetting the lone hero in between...

(>_> @ Nighty)

I take things and try to make sense of it, but canon has been messy, and my sci-fi knowhow is sorely lacking in the face of experts here, so you should look to them for advice.
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Why shouldn't we let her?

Because, well, you know, Frieda and Sophia....

*mental images of Frieda doing THIS and THAT to Sophia*
HOLY SHI--


*runs from Artei & Takeru*

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So we can expect 50 minutes of non-stop dancing?!


Before I forget, how does Simon's post-Kamina speech look like again?
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Tomoya: He's serious about it. So answer him back seriously too.

Kagerou: No wait... Um... I don't think I would be asked by a guy...

Sunohara: Why does gender matter? I think what matters is the passion!

Tomoya: Looks like you can say good stuff once in a blue moon.

Sunohara: Since deep down in my heart I'm a good guy.



(runs)
lol is dat sum Clannad referencing? Oh Sunohara.

Passion is good though. *points to heaven* After all, passion and spirit is what took Simon to heaven and back! It helps keeps us going, even when we are let our lowest point and even takes us beyond our highest! Yeah! Kick reason to the curb and show me your passion!!!

...<.<
>.>
*hides*

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As for fanbase of Nanoha, there's the 300 of us, sane logical NxY supporters...

...and then there's the rabid millions of lost-cause NxF shippers...

...not forgetting the lone hero in between...

(>_> @ Nighty)

I take things and try to make sense of it, but canon has been messy, and my sci-fi knowhow is sorely lacking in the face of experts here, so you should look to them for advice.
My Nanoverse sci-fi knowhow blows. If this was Star Wars or EVE Online, then my knowledge would be passable at least >.<
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Old 2007-11-03, 00:37   Link #14767
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You don't have to understand it thoroughly. Even if you can reverse-engineer the basic concepts, you can acquire a more thorough understanding through time. If an F-14 fighter jet somehow got transported to the year 1776, don't you think that whomever's lap it landed in would devote time to figure it out? They'd first figure out the concept of flight, then slowly over time (several decades or whatever) figure out the rest of it.
It doesn't quite work that way. In 1776, you're talking about a time when even foremost scientists do not know of machine power. They might figure out the principles of flight and even of the jet engine, but no amount of tinkering will allow them to reverse-engineer the electronics of the jet. It requires an understanding of concepts that are foreign to their worldview. It would truely be a "black-box" technology to them.
For complete reverse engineering and even leapfrogging the original, the copier has to have a tech base that is as close to the originator as possible.

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Which is why I set it way back, to the early days of the TSAB. The world had always been there, just not very important. I guess you could say that, strategically, it was useless.
Strategically useless or not, if a world within a few days' travel of Midchilda made noises about attacking and destroying the TSAB, you can be sure the Bureau would respond quickly, decisively and with overwhelming force.

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America haxed its way out of the British Empire.
Only because the Colonies' tech base was close enough that soldier quality made a difference, and they had support from France. Look at the natives of north and south America and Australia, they never threw off their colonisers. Note I said natives, the societies that did throw off the colonisers were built by the colonisers themselves. Some South American native tribes held out until the 20th century and acquired guns even. At that point, the local governments anihilated them through military campaigns with superior firepower. That's the situation your planet is facing.

I think your best approach is to put the planet far, far away from TSAB-controlled space. Like more than 200 days' travel at least. You can lose the scout ship and the TSAB would have no idea it had been captured. Then you can have another ship rediscovering the planet decades later and finally managing to get the news home. That forces the TSAB to commit only limited resources to the conflict due to the distance and give the planet the chance to force the TSAB away due to being "more trouble than it's worth".
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Because, well, you know, Frieda and Sophia....

*mental images of Frieda doing THIS and THAT to Sophia*
HOLY SHI--


*runs from Artei & Takeru*
Exactly

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Before I forget, how does Simon's post-Kamina speech look like again?
*Gunbuster pose*

Big brother is dead!

He's not here anymore!

But on my back!

And in my chest!!

HE LIVES ON INSIDE ME!!!

I shall pierce a hole through the heavens!!

Even if that hole becomes my grave,

As long as I pierce through

IT IS MY VICTORY!!!!

Who the hell do you think I am?!

I am Simon!

I am not my big brother Kamina!

I AM MYSELF!!!

SIMON THE DIGGER!!!!



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lol is dat sum Clannad referencing? Oh Sunohara.

Passion is good though. *points to heaven* After all, passion and spirit is what took Simon to heaven and back! It helps keeps us going, even when we are let our lowest point and even takes us beyond our highest! Yeah! Kick reason to the curb and show me your passion!!!

...<.<
>.>
*hides*


KYOUDAI!!!!!!!!

THROW AWAY YOUR LOGIC AND KICK REASON TO THE CURB!!!!!
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Old 2007-11-03, 00:44   Link #14769
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It doesn't quite work that way. In 1776, you're talking about a time when even foremost scientists do not know of machine power. They might figure out the principles of flight and even of the jet engine, but no amount of tinkering will allow them to reverse-engineer the electronics of the jet. It requires an understanding of concepts that are foreign to their worldview. It would truely be a "black-box" technology to them.
For complete reverse engineering and even leapfrogging the original, the copier has to have a tech base that is as close to the originator as possible.
Well eventually they'd figure out electronics and circuitry, and from there they'd pick up on it.

Of course, I'm talking about something that would be about, oh, say, one-hundred fifty years from where we're going with this.


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Strategically useless or not, if a world within a few days' travel of Midchilda made noises about attacking and destroying the TSAB, you can be sure the Bureau would respond quickly, decisively and with overwhelming force.

I think your best approach is to put the planet far, far away from TSAB-controlled space. Like more than 200 days' travel at least. You can lose the scout ship and the TSAB would have no idea it had been captured. Then you can have another ship rediscovering the planet decades later and finally managing to get the news home. That forces the TSAB to commit only limited resources to the conflict due to the distance and give the planet the chance to force the TSAB away due to being "more trouble than it's worth".
Kinda like how I wanted the planet at first before I got the wonky idea to be close to Midchilda and Belka?

So just move the planet deep, deep into the yellow zone?

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Exactly
*Gunbuster pose*

Big brother is dead!

He's not here anymore!

But on my back!

And in my chest!!

HE LIVES ON INSIDE ME!!!

I shall pierce a hole through the heavens!!

Even if that hole becomes my grave,

As long as I pierce through

IT IS MY VICTORY!!!!

Who the hell do you think I am?!

I am Simon!

I am not my big brother Kamina!

I AM MYSELF!!!

SIMON THE DIGGER!!!!







KYOUDAI!!!!!!!!

THROW AWAY YOUR LOGIC AND KICK REASON TO THE CURB!!!!!
REMEMBER!
YOUR UNIVERSE IS THE SAME AS MINE!
AND DON'T FORGET!

*points to Dai-Gurren-dan*
It's their universe too!
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I am taking the cheap way out of this. Momoko and Shiro with grown children ftw.
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lol is dat sum Clannad referencing? Oh Sunohara.

Passion is good though. *points to heaven* After all, passion and spirit is what took Simon to heaven and back! It helps keeps us going, even when we are let our lowest point and even takes us beyond our highest! Yeah! Kick reason to the curb and show me your passion!!!

...<.<
>.>
*hides*


[lowegear]
KYOUDAI!!!!!!!!

THROW AWAY YOUR LOGIC AND KICK REASON TO THE CURB!!!!!
[/lowegear]



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Exactly

*runs*
Mistress Glasses is on the loose, it seems.

*runs*

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*Gunbuster pose*

Big brother is dead!

He's not here anymore!

But on my back!

And in my chest!!

HE LIVES ON INSIDE ME!!!

I shall pierce a hole through the heavens!!

Even if that hole becomes my grave,

As long as I pierce through

IT IS MY VICTORY!!!!

Who the hell do you think I am?!

I am Simon!

I am not my big brother Kamina!

I AM MYSELF!!!

SIMON THE DIGGER!!!!


*alters this to fit in Kay's speech*

This has been a fun day. Well, enjoy your weekend, everyone, and expect more madness from me once i return.

*logs off and chases the sunset with DaiTrombe*
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Well eventually they'd figure out electronics and circuitry, and from there they'd pick up on it.

Of course, I'm talking about something that would be about, oh, say, one-hundred fifty years from where we're going with this.
Depending on how smart, innovative and open-minded they are, and their technological base and resources at the time, somewhere around 200-300 years would be acceptable

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REMEMBER!
YOUR UNIVERSE IS THE SAME AS MINE!
AND DON'T FORGET!

*points to Dai-Gurren-dan*
It's their universe too!
KAMINA-ANIKI!!!!

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*alters this to fit in Kay's speech*

This has been a fun day. Well, enjoy your weekend, everyone.

*logs off and chases the sunset with DaiTrombe*
Wait... Kay's gonna be saying that?

And enjoy your weekend
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Depending on how smart, innovative and open-minded they are, and their technological base and resources at the time, somewhere around 200-300 years would be acceptable
lol 300 years would put us well past the release date of the F-14A (IIRC it was released in 1974). 150-200 is more likely IMO.

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KAMINA-ANIKI!!!!
YOSH! LET'S GO, EVERYONE! *victory pose*

GURREN-LAGANN! SPIN ON! ORE TACHI WO DARE DA TO OMOTTE YARUU?!
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When there's something strange...
In your neighborhood...

Who you gonna call?
Just photoshop it...

*kick LoweGear into a ditch*


You get the idea though


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Dakara... nani?

Jeno: "It's scripted damnit !"



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OH YEAH!!!!!

Although it'll apply only to those OC's with actual pics though

As if it's so hard to find images of female on that net


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Saint Church Scandal?
Tabloids


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Yes, keep telling yourself that

*dodges*
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Oh well.

Jeno falls into the third kind now after he completed the third stage. Katrina doesn't need to know of Spica's existence, the knowledge of Jeno merely capable of that possibility is enough.

And yeah, glaring loophole for me plug up.

True... But when she sees what he's capable of doing on the job, it doesn't seem like it's too impossible for him to do...

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At least it's going to be fun.
Isn't that always the case ?

Now for the contestants...


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Sophia: Oh-hohohohoho!

But I like my IRL tsundere just fine thank you. Go wallow in your own deprivity...

(gets hit by flying sandal from Singapore)

...ow.

I think she'd go berserk if I ever pull a Dayaka on her though... >_>

So are you in or not ?

Or are you just afraid knight...


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Spoiler for off-topic:
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P.S -

Spoiler for off-topic:
*Stares at movie in his DVD rack*
*Raises hand*

Durrhurr. Big fan of the show. *Grin* It's got comedy and GAR and stuffs.
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lol 300 years would put us well past the release date of the F-14A (IIRC it was released in 1974). 150-200 is more likely IMO.
Your call

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YOSH! LET'S GO, EVERYONE! *victory pose*

GURREN-LAGANN! SPIN ON! ORE TACHI WO DARE DA TO OMOTTE YARUU?!
*picks Core Drill*

YOSH!!

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Just photoshop it...

*kick LoweGear into a ditch*


You get the idea though
Roger



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Jeno: "It's scripted damnit !"
A script delivered with so much passion and feeling


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As if it's so hard to find images of female on that net
Finding a pic that fits your image is another matter

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*Throws shoe at LoweGear*
Yum... rubber and leather

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P.S -

Spoiler for off-topic:
Haven't seen that one
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Before I begin, let me apologize for apparently offending people. Tk spoke a lot of sense (referring to the multi-part quote below), but he also seemed to take it personally. Yes, I am extremely ignorant of how shit like time-space warping and how fast an inter-dimensional can travel. I was hoping to be helped out here, not bombarded with "OMG HAX". The whole point of my discussion is how to turn it into less hax, as I myself am extremely against hax.
Sorry you just seemed to be clinging to this whole “uber force field of some kind makes us untouchable so we can pwn the TSAB with a single planet” thing and it was annoying me as it was against canon, against common sense, and pretty damn hax.

I've never really like the whole "some tiny bad somehow defeats huge empire" cliche it make no sense and it's done to death. If you looked at allot of fiction you'd thinking being big was some kind of disadvantage in a war!

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And also, this is hard because when quoting someone it doesn't quote what they've quoted, thus I have to refer to other quotes... or something.
Well the problem was you could then get quote trees half a page long... I've seen some boards that do that and it actually gets more confusing once you have like 10 quotes nested inside each other.

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Didn't I mention I dropped the idea of temporal manipulation?
I will admit I missed it though you did just change it up slightly to "impregnable forcefield" which wasn't much better.
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You don't have to understand it thoroughly. Even if you can reverse-engineer the basic concepts, you can acquire a more thorough understanding through time. If an F-14 fighter jet somehow got transported to the year 1776, don't you think that whomever's lap it landed in would devote time to figure it out?
They could try, but they'd never learn anything as they'd lack the tools even try and analyze it, fuck they wouldn't even know what the wings where for! Or why it was full of big empty spaces inside (fuel tanks), or... and so on. Even if they took it apart down to the last bolt it's debatable if they'd learn anything at all form it as they wouldn't even grasp the concepts of psychics that drive it's operation.

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They'd first figure out the concept of flight, then slowly over time (several decades or whatever) figure out the rest of it.
Acutally they probably never figure out flight from this as they have no pilots and don't even understand how something made of metal and weighing 20 tons COULD fly. (a perposturous idea to be sure!) so they'd never attempt to get it too, never mind they'd have no way to refine the highly advanced fuel it would require anyway. If it HAS fuel to start and they figure out how to start and attempt to use it they probably destroy it a fire crash very quickly thus ending any further study.

Again it gets back to the fact that science is all interwoven and self supporting you can't just get one example of something and then suddenly have 15 other disciplines rocket froward as well to allow you to build it.

Even a shitty F-14 knock off would demand massive advances in:
-Metallurgy
-Chemistry
-Psychics
-Construction
-The INVENTION of the entire field of electronics
Plus massive numbers of skilled workers which demands huge boosts in education and entirely new factories on a vastly larger scale which will demand still more innovation, and on and on.

I've been through this argument a million times with people reverse engineering is neither easy OR fast unless you're already very close to the target objects tech level, but that's nearly never the case in sci-fi in which it's almost always used to explain a ludicrously large leap in capability in an insanely short time period which is WRONG.

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Once you acquire a basic understanding of something, the harder stuff becomes easier Kinda like mathematics: there's no way you can understand Algebra when you're six (unless you're wtfsmart), but because you started with the basic stuff like addition and subtraction and worked your way up, eventually you'll be able to at least attempt calculus.
Which still takes years and only works because you had it all laid out for you... what if you had to INVENT all the math along the way? Which is basically what has to happen here.

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I know, I know, it's two entirely different things, but do you see the analogy I'm getting at?
A broken one that over simplifies the problem vastly?

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Oh oh and before I forget: I said that most civilians were illiterate; government officials, scientists, and whathaveyou are perfectly able to read and write.
And very limited in number a largerly illiterate populace is NOT acceptable for someone attempting to establish a high tech economy even technicians nowadays often have years of formal schooling at a level arguably higher then the greatest scientists of the 1800s.

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How was I supposed to know that? I have no idea how a spacecraft works. You can't assume that they were on red alert the entire time watching for something bad to happen. If you use Star Trek as a reference, there were plenty of times the Enterprise got ambushed with inferior technology.
DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON TREKNOLOGY.

*Pops a vein before reaching over to grab a blabbering trekkie by the throat crushing it and then hurling his corpse into a flaming pit and clams down slightly*

Star Trek technology is an abomination of pointless technobabble, unthinking idiotic writers with all the science education of a 5th grader and the story writing skills of an 8th grader between them. It's riddle with outright contradictions abuse of terminology, utterly brain dead characters passed off as "experts", tech of the week that's never mentioned again despite it possibly being enormously useful, and bullshit techno panaceas to every problem.

Trek Science and engineering is STUPID science and it should be the LAST model you opt to follow.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Engineering.html For some examples.


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This is my fault here, as I never really explained what exactly their technology level was at, throwing out concepts like "more advanced than us" etc. etc. Also, the whole concept of missiles v. spaceship has apparently been proven invalid, so let's go a different route.

Bump up the civilization a few tech levels. Take out the concept of laser grid, implement the concept of really freaking huge railguns. Solid weaponry in a no-friction environment could probably tear anything to pieces a la Halo 2's Earth Defense Grid. Solid slugs proved highly effective against Covenant shielding. It's the same concept.
Solid slugs would still be ineffective at any kind of stand off range since you're average space ship can move faster then what most think is the fastest possible speed a railgun could fire at (something like 6 kilometers a second). Plus the slugs are unguided so the ship has even more options for evade them. Also I'm having issues buying you can apparently riddle it with holes and yet it won't basically fall apart in a million pieces on atmospheric reentry... the hole that ripped the space shuttle apart was like the size of your fist for instance.

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Of course, then there's the problem for why the hell they would have them in the first place. But from I've seen, you don't necessarily have to have a reason to build something. It's like the U.S: We don't really need the F-22A Raptor when we have the F-16 and F-15 able to do the job still.
Acutally we do since the F-15 are 30 years old and nearly falling apart (many now operate under G limits because if pushed to hard they might literary fall apart in mid air). Plus the F-15 is actually inferior to many modern threat aircraft in terms of airframe (in electronic it still may have a slight edge) the F-22 is better at both AND cheaper to maintain going froward.

A huge rail gun oribtal defense grid... that's going to be a harder sell.

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Well, yeah. I'll own up to it. I have no idea how big a TSAB warship is. I have no idea how close or far from a planet they'd be when observing it. I am not a gigantic sci-fi nerd, I don't know these things.
The answer to the later could easily be "Somewhere around the next planets orbit" space being pretty damn empty is also pretty damn easy to look through they're is very little reason to get that close if you have a big telescope and a few antennae. It's also arguable they might have some kind of cloaking device against common modern sensors since no one seems to have noticed the big space cruisers orbiting earth for instance.

That's acutally canon for me they can jam and scramble most EM detection to the point of near invisibility. Which also forces them to attack each other close in... but I was just looking to explain the above, of course.


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What kind of a crew would that hold? How big? What rank? This is 150 years ago, back during the TSAB's early days. Would the ships be bigger or smaller?
Impossible to answer definitively, but probably not that big from what we see as the TSAB has some pretty advanced AI and we don't see tons of crewmen on any of their ships, in fact a handful on the bridge seem to be able to run it. This might be SLIGHTLY higher back then, but probably not that much I tended to peg it at the largest ships (nearly a kilometer long in my case) having naval crews of around 250 to 300,and some number of marines and possibly an air wing (if you use space fighters) for a total of like 500 to 750 people aboard, that's a battleship a cruiser would be smaller.

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My idea was that gravity was forcing them to land on the planet anyway. With no way to break out of the gravitational field, they'd have to crash land.
Orbits decay SLOW, unless they where accelerating into the feild it could take YEARS, even decades for them to decay out of even a medium orbit and into the atmosphere.

The fact was though they must still have had maneuvering power as nothing that size could do anything besides slam into the ground like a falling asteroid if it didn't. Actually that would be a serious risk a 500 meter long ship that didn't burn up and struck the ground after an uncontrolled orbital descent and then possibly exploded on impact would be disastrous we're taking energy levels into the thousand of megatons. Needless to say not only might you lose a small country, but you won't be finding much useful tech after that!

A controlled descent though implies they still had maneuvering power which they ought to be able to use to break lose from he gravity well and drift off into space or at least boost to an orbit so high it will take centuries for them to fall back in.

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Jesus why do you have to get so pissed? The whole point was to throw something up and help me refine it into something workable, not to bite my head off for it. I'm sorry.
Well I've always felt a quick verbal punch to the gut will get someone to listen better then dancing around for 5 pages trying not to offend anyone. It's good that you want to know about it, but some of this stuff could be done just by a little research or common sense.

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Meh, produced, trained, I was getting at the same thing. That's why I said a whole bunch of shitty mages. Like... D rank. Or something. Maybe not even.
I still find the idea of 90% of a population being able to be mages of any rank to be very unlikely.

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I dunno, the TSAB seems arrogant enough (well Regius did anyway) that no matter what, they could pwn any threat with their 1337 ships and Enforcers and whatnot. So what if a backwater world threatens to pwn their homeworld? They have a fucking navy.

Same goes for losing one ship. One out of over nine-thousand. To the TSAB, the war was probably something like "oh hay a new ship let's test it out on this conflit over here".
Yeah they are... which is why if some upstart pissed them off they'd probably re neg on the treaty in a heartbeat and crush them BECAUSE they dared to threaten them at all they'd destroy them, that was sort of the point. They wouldn't sit and wait for them to build up they'd go out and rape them NOW.

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The TSAB has really crappy methods of distributing forces. Really, if Precia was such a threat, why send one ship? If the Book of Darkness was so omfg powerful, why did they only send a handful of mages and ONE ship?
The first incident was time critical by the time it was at the point it might have justified a larger force they didn't have much choice, but to go for it.

The BOD though is far less forgivable indeed, the threat was clear from the start and yet as you said one ship was all that shows up indeed many of us have argued this handling was incompetent. That said if Graham hadn't fucked things up they MIGHT have still won with little damage... Plus they had a bunch of AAA or near S rank mages around, from what we see the force of Chrono, Nanoha, and Fate was already way more magical power then most units could hope to have and if mages ARE rare then it's possible they just didn't have a thousand of them to throw at the problem to begin with.

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Which is why I set it way back, to the early days of the TSAB. The world had always been there, just not very important. I guess you could say that, strategically, it was useless.
If it was THAT close and so low tech AND racked by war subjecting it shouldn't have been to hard in fact most of the people would have viewed this is as blessing most likely. I just find it unlikely a planet SO close to Mid would somehow not be brought into the TSAB in a 100+ years.

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We don't know if Belka was actually a planet or not.
And also, I'm glad you said the same thing three times so I can tell you three times: I scrapped the time distortion idea.
99% of evidence points to, no, it wasn't and fanon basically say as much definitively. As was said if Belka was another planet then that means they would both have had large war fleets up to 300 years ago... which makes the idea of this planet teching up to that level form modern day in less then 100 even more unlikely.


Then help me fix it. That's the entire point of me throwing it up there. Don't belittle me for it, help me fix it.


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1776. America.
Acutally that was pretty much Britain's most successful colony, hell THE most successful colony of pretty much anyone… It also had a population roughly one forth of Britain's at that time (a bit smaller gap then 1 planet vs. hundreds). It also had allies in the form of a power nearly as large as the enemy in France and it STILL mainly won by Britain going. “This totally isn’t worth the effort to hold anymore.” Also see 1812 where the US got a bit big for its birches and messed with Britain again and ended up getting Washington DC burned down…


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Britain.
If by stand off you mean "run the fuck away for years until France finally decides to start fucking with Britain during this moment of weakness" then sure we stood them off real good. I'm an American, but I'm smart enough to admit that without France the US dosen't exist. So sure if these guys can find another empire the size of the TSAB to ally with I can see them managing to do this... otherwise.

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America haxed its way out of the British Empire.
Acutally it begged and pleaded with another major power to help them get out and the other power agreed mainly to spite a hated rival by depriving them of a valuable asset. The idea of the Colonies fighting off the British with skill and superior force of armies is a myth, France was always what mattered even from the earliest days it was always known that unless France came in on our side we where pretty doomed baring some improbable miracle.

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The British Empire held an area of probably over a hundred provinces too. I suck at history but whatever.
Acutally the US was easily the most populous colony of Britain, so while they controlled allot of land in terms of population the US was a large part of their oversee holdings.

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Small pissant nations have done it before to bigger ones. I'm not saying your wrong (hell I was agreeing with you above),
Never without help from another large power which you won't get here, in fact that's a defining characteristic of all "guerrilla" type movements, a large outside sponsor/safe area. Without that they fail very quickly.
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but you seem hell bent on flaming the hell out of everything I've mentioned. Why do you hate so much?
I'm hell bent on flaming incorrect and bad Ideas, I don't really care who is purposing them you at all you seem alright actually, but that won't stop me from destroying your (or anyone else's) arguments if I think they're wrong though.

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Then help me fix it? Please? Is that asking too much?
These are the changes I’d make to keep some of the same idea:

1-The ship isn’t shot down it crashes after some kind of accident or another battle, the TSAB doesn’t come around because they don’t know what happened to it it’s effectively lost in space. This happens quite awhile ago perhaps around the time of the TSAB founding. This gives time for some teching without any time manipulation or force field bull crap.
2- The planet isn’t even near Mid it’s out past the fringes in an inhabited but barely explored region.
3- The TSAB dose find it many years later and notes it’s oddly similar tech and realizes what happened, at this point it dose perhaps attempt to get them to join the TSAB, and this could spark a conflict, but that conflict is like just them going “fuck you!” and shooting at the TSAB ships a bit which then withdraw.
4- The TSAB then basiclly says, “well they’re pretty small and pretty far away and they have just enough forces that we’d need to expend a bit of effort to conquer them… eh not worth it monitor, but ignore.”
5- Now they would obviously not see it that way and would probably keep rearming and such using the “TSAB menace” as pretense.

Same effect a sort of one sided cold war, but none of this time warping or shield bull crap. Of course this planet wouldn’t stand a chance in an actual war with the TSAB, but that only makes sense as one planet could never muster the force necessary to rumble with something hundred of times it size. If that’s what you want then these guys are going to have to go interplanetary and be moved even further out so they can establish a decent sized empire to actually have a chance to fight with the TSAB.

I did this actually I have a foreign opposing government planned, but as I said it’s also composed of dozens or even low hundreds of planets (still smaller then the TSAB), and it also didn’t use TSAB tech in fact it evolved pretty much in parallel with but along a slightly different track over centuries before it even became aware of the TSAB.

Phew:
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I know.

But according to Nighty, it could be alot worse.


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But I am surprised that nobody brought up what happened to the three Destroyers when THEY took the test
The only one we remotely care is Jeno, and he became a Destroyer before Spica.

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Yes it can. A whole lot more.
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The only way to survive this trial is for the one you love, or the one whom is closest to your heart to enter that dream that only she can see, but not you.

And die for you. And at that moment, the grave you've built will be filled with that person's corpse, as that one's agony, love and sorrow for you at their moment of death will be instilled permanently in your heart and memories for eternity.

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Magic is rare? I rather doupt it. Magic may hav been noted as rare, but that's on earth. Tiana was even surprised when the forwards learned earth had a very low magical civilization, sugesting that magic is far more common on Mid-Childa at least. We can't start throwing out numbers for Mid-Childa (as quite frankly, we don't have any) but to say magic is rare is quite disputable.
There's a huge difference between magic civilization and magic potency. Mid-childa is definitely a planet based off such civilization, and Al-hazred is clearly a magi-tech civilization of the highest standards, but that doesn't mean that the bulk of their people are magic practitioners. There just need to be enough for it to not be UMA rare.

However, as StrikerS shows, it's not extremely rare itself either. RF6 itself has several mages, which aren't combat-personnel, as shown during the raid, with the generic device users. But 90% is probably pushing it.

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indeed.

And she's one hot-blooded justice fighter, FYI.


You mean... like MAY LEE!?



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Ep19 at 22:38. Also, consider that it was buried on Midchilda. If the Ancient Belka civilization wasn't on Mid, it meant the Cradle would have to get to Mid first. If there was a sustained conflict between AB and Mid just prior to the rise of the Three of the TSAB High Council, as implied in ep14 or 15, it means they were evenly matched in military capability at the time. Otherwise, one side would have been crushed quickly. If Mid and AB were on seperate worlds, they would have sophisticated space technology by the end of the conflict.
Still, it seems almost certain that Ancient Belka "lost" that war in the end. They're the ones with an SAR while the rest of the planet belongs to Midchilda's civilization.
I find it unlikely that Belka wasn't on Mid though. Even before Vivio was found out to be a Belka-Sei-Oh, Yuuno had already cited the possibility that the prophecy refers to Cradle. Unless there was detailed citings of Cradle falling to Mid 300 years ago and stuff like that, it seems more likely that even though Belka separated off Mid, it didn't separate itself off the planet of Mid-childa.

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But-but...

I'm a guy! *despair*.

Anything you could suggest would be awesome. Like I said, I'm ignorant of most of the ways the Nanoverse works: it's been ages since I've seen the first or second seasons, and last time I ran through StrikerS was when yesy finished 26. I've never seen/heard about the Sound Stages till I joined here, and except for a few 4komas, I didn't realize how rabid the fanbase was .

On the other hand, I'm from the Evangelion fanbase, who's average otaku will eat your soul for so much as looking at Eva funny.
Which is why Tk and the likes give their criticism.

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As for fanbase of Nanoha, there's the 300 of us, sane logical NxY supporters...

...and then there's the rabid millions of lost-cause NxF shippers...

...not forgetting the lone hero in between...

(>_> @ Nighty)


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While people go on about NxF or Nanoferret...

I am taking the cheap way out of this. Momoko and Shiro with grown children ftw.
Er... whut?
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Well, massive automation can well mean that you would be operating a 500 meter ship with a crew less than 200. I hate to say it, but Nanohaverse has left a terribly vague setting regarding space combat!

You could give a rough estimate however, on the size of ship. Remember the Cradle? The sheer scale of it is kilometer classed, and I take that it is about as large as ships get in Nanohaverse.


Regarding reverse engineering... the task of even reconstructing ancient machines is very difficult for us. The Antikythera Mechanism, which was basically 'only' cogs and wheels took scientists more then a century of research to come to its current 'best guess' at how it would've been like. Trying to figure out what is centuries ahead of current science... I can only fathom the difficulties.


Momoko and Shiro is canonical pairing to the point of axiom btw, sealed with marriage and 3 kids.

(LoGH made me realize many 'fun' ways to deal with the Cradle... but that's another story)
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Momoko and Shiro is canonical pairing to the point of axiom btw, sealed with marriage and 3 kids.
True, but they're more of the Toraha side of things.

Besides, half the fun (( and the annoying )) is the paradigm shifts of the whole pairing thing.

It never ceases to crack me up at how NFers deal and react to... threats.

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