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View Poll Results: Lucky Star - Episode 09 Rating
Perfect 10 13 14.13%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 28 30.43%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 24 26.09%
7 out of 10 : Good 18 19.57%
6 out of 10 : Average 8 8.70%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 1.09%
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Old 2007-06-13, 11:39   Link #121
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Shorty one this time:

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Okay so we are looking at a 9.0 caliber episode, but some problems here. Firstly I wasn't feeling Aya Hirano's mumbly performance as Konata here. Houkoholic said she can be overkill with the extra noises at times. Here it was like an entire episode of it. That's not enough to subtract points for. However, Lucky Channel coming at the 17 minute mark is. Why is it that anytime the episode starts to get really good, Lucky Channel comes in and cuts it off with the same old "Idols are really not who they appear to be joke". That's --0.5, but the kicker is the ending.

So here we have undeniable proof that they are playing favourites here. Let's be honest is that Konata behind the door or Aya Hirano's Springs Music Video playing. Whenever the song is from a non-Kadokawa show they butcher it, but when it's from something like FMP, or if it's done by Aya Hirano as a cover, anything less than a perfect rendition here would annoy the Fanboys, so Konata's out and Aya Hirano is in.
-1.5 for this little bit of blatant favouritism and arguably commercialism on top of botching the character of Konata as an expense in the process. This whole ending shebang really really annoyed me this time around. Wonder how long it takes for Aya Hirano to come out with a single CD for the Springs song. T

Overall we have a Seven Out of Ten. Thanks a lot though for proving my point Kyoto, you are playing favourites and it have nothing to do with singing the song in the spirit of the original. That's just bull, because that would mean a hot-blooded passionate rendition of Chala-Head-Chala, and a soothing version of the original Koizumi Kyoko version of Kogarashi ni Dakarete both sung by Konata, not a screeching rendition of Chala-Head-Chala by Konata because it's Toei and an Aya Hirano delivery of the Springs Cover of Kogarashi ni Dakarete because she happened to be involved with it.

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Old 2007-06-13, 14:04   Link #122
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Thanks a lot though for proving my point Kyoto, you are playing favourites and it have nothing to do with singing the song in the spirit of the original. That's just bull, because that would mean a hot-blooded passionate rendition of Chala-Head-Chala, and a soothing version of the original Koizumi Kyoko version of Kogarashi ni Dakarete both sung by Konata, not a screeching rendition of Chala-Head-Chala by Konata because it's Toei and an Aya Hirano delivery of the Springs Cover of Kogarashi ni Dakarete because she happened to be involved with it.
You are picking on KyoAni for the wrong reasons, your judgement on the manner is totally, and blatantly, twisted by your bias, expectations (whatever they are) and your paranoia-fueled behind-the-office conspiracy theories.
I'll repeat again: Paranoia, paranoia and more paranoia.

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Old 2007-06-13, 15:18   Link #123
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But you gotta admit, all the "grassy knoll" dots connect when he says it

I feel like there's some thread of truth because I've been *involved* in enough "hey while we're here, lets push our stuff a bit and tweak the noses of our competition" activities (though it was in software dev, aerospace, and other fields). However, its not like there's a Master Command Center for that sort of thing (well, maybe Microsoft has one )
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Old 2007-06-13, 15:24   Link #124
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But you gotta admit, all the "grassy knoll" dots connect when he says it

I feel like there's some thread of truth because I've been *involved* in enough "hey while we're here, lets push our stuff a bit and tweak the noses of our competition" activities (though it was in software dev, aerospace, and other fields). However, its not like there's a Master Command Center for that sort of thing (well, maybe Microsoft has one )
I think it's time to put Kyoto Animation as part of the "Axis of Evil." I'm sending a e-mail letter to George W. Bush about this grave danger!
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Old 2007-06-13, 15:51   Link #125
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I think it's time to put Kyoto Animation as part of the "Axis of Evil." I'm sending a e-mail letter to George W. Bush about this grave danger!
No... Come on now. I just wish I could suggest that the motives behind some of the scenes and portions of the anime might not be purely for the sake of entertainment, but for giving Kadokawa products boosts without people taking it as some sort of personal slight against the production staff. People seem to think it's my intention to cause some sort of scene, but if nobody else wants to mention it, I felt I should raise the question.

2 Times now we have had Aya Hirano's own voice appear instead of Konata's and there has to be a reason for that other than sheer coincidence or the "Spirit of The Opening Thing". The suggestion of Trouble In Paradise, why can't we all just leave it at that and have nice friendly discussion about the topic itself, rather than what others might be thinking when they make there points?

No Flaming and such. Everytime I try to discuss this it decays into flame wars because people think I'm up to something. I am up to something though, and it's that I want to discuss it and hear other ideas. That's really all there is too it.

And the reason I was so strong with the criticism is due to the frequency of these kinds of pushes in the anime, it's becoming very irksome and I've held back a lot until this particular one where the top spilled over and I had to blow the whistle sort of, and bring it to people's attention for potential discussion.

Okay. Shaking of hands everybody?
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Old 2007-06-13, 16:31   Link #126
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People seem to think it's my intention to cause some sort of scene, but if nobody else wants to mention it, I felt I should raise the question.

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No Flaming and such. Everytime I try to discuss this it decays into flame wars because people think I'm up to something. I am up to something though, and it's that I want to discuss it and hear other ideas. That's really all there is too it.

And the reason I was so strong with the criticism is due to the frequency of these kinds of pushes in the anime, it's becoming very irksome and I've held back a lot until this particular one where the top spilled over and I had to blow the whistle sort of, and bring it to people's attention for potential discussion.

Okay. Shaking of hands everybody?
/me claps hands intermittently.

Bravo... bra-friggin-vo!

Man, I love it when I'm being patronized by young people. I love how you begin with your topics with an abrasive tone, then when people respond to your claims, you backpedal and attempt to be the "sensible" one in the whole "discussion" and make the people who "attack" you/your opinions seem like they have no sense and no class/decorum.

You really should be in politics running for the Republican or Conservative party.
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Old 2007-06-13, 16:55   Link #127
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No... Come on now. I just wish I could suggest that the motives behind some of the scenes and portions of the anime might not be purely for the sake of entertainment, but for giving Kadokawa products boosts without people taking it as some sort of personal slight against the production staff.
Well, you *can* suggest that but it is going to be true of *all* anime. In any staff meeting, *someone* in the room will have the job of making sure the anime maximizes the sales potential of merchandise for that property as well as potential cross-advertising for other properties. Its just the nature of the thing. The artists and creators will do their best to entertain... but the marketers will always be lurking around and slipping things in.
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Old 2007-06-13, 18:12   Link #128
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Sorry but this thread is for the discussion of Lucky Star - Episode 9, all I can suggest is that the recent comments by Kaioshin_Sama are ignored because it's taking the thread off-topic.

Can I ask that this thread returns back to the intended topic, thank you.
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Old 2007-06-13, 18:44   Link #129
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It was good. Much better than some others!
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Old 2007-06-13, 22:51   Link #130
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Ep.9 was excellent. (=w=)

...I've been watching eps.1~8 all over and I keep thinking, Tsukasa has really gotten a good deal since ep.6. LOL

Again in this ep. she's gained more "moe" points. (^_^)

That aside a good ep indeed. I like how Kagamin and Tsukasa didnt notice Konata til the hat came off. LOL, I didnt notice too, had to go back to confirm that she was actually there in the scene before.

...the cake viking (buffet)...I have no words for it. (=w=)

...I'm starting to like Lucky Channel. Shiraishi gets hurt. *Claps for Akira-san*
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Old 2007-06-15, 23:38   Link #131
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Sorry but this thread is for the discussion of Lucky Star - Episode 9, all I can suggest is that the recent comments by Kaioshin_Sama are ignored because it's taking the thread off-topic.

Can I ask that this thread returns back to the intended topic, thank you.
I don't really see how he was off topic in any way really, as he was actually discussing the episode, both it's pros and its cons. Really in my mind mentioning that the show/production company seems to be playing favorites is perfectly valid episode discussion, as it greatly effects ones enjoyment of the show.

I also partially suspect that if someone posted a similar dissertation, only praising the show for what he has complained about that there would be no issue and no banning involved, but that's just my paranoia.

Anyway, the episode was about a 6 for me, decent in some ways, massively lacking in others including sub-par voice work, poor planning with the timing, and a boring lucky channel; also, too damn shiney.
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Old 2007-06-16, 04:16   Link #132
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I was just pointing that he is putting the blame on the wrong things. Blaming poor realisation (Nanoha Strikers episode 7 left a very bitter taste in my mouth) or a faulty flow of the scenes, poor timing of punchlines or poor build-up: ok. The one about Aya Hirano's performance is debatable, it bothers some, the others are not. But going on accusing the animation studio of showing favoritism toward shows of a given decades, being biased against those of another decades, and accusing the same studio of telling the seiyu to butcher the latter, all of that with the tone of a terminal phase conspiracy theorist: lolwatRUsmokin?.

Let's say, it is like blaming that the newer incarnation of a fighting game sucks not because of the poor technical realisation or lousy gameplay or game balance, but because one character we liked in its previous incarnation is either not here or severely toned down.

There are critics I can accept, there are some that makes me facepalm.

I myself found that some things in this episode didn't flow well, the Lucky Channel bit and Miyuki finally having a funny scene were both the reasons I put this episode as only good and not average or below average.

I hope it clarify my position
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I only ever knew of Kogarashi ni Dakarete as a song by The Alfee until I watched this ep. I guess Takamizawa wrote it for Koizumi and only later decided to use it for himself.
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