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View Poll Results: Higurashi Kai Episode 23 Rating
Perfect 10 27 30.00%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 23 25.56%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 27 30.00%
7 out of 10 : Good 8 8.89%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 1.11%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 2.22%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 1.11%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 1.11%
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Old 2007-12-16, 05:46   Link #61
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Hanyuu sounded awesome! I thought that was Takano going crazy at first, but it wasn't anything close. It's just a shame that there isn't more Rena in this arc than in the past.
My first thought was about Rika's mum, being alive and playing tricks on the Yamainu. Her voice and words about sacrilege made me think so.

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Curious about the end. I mean Akasaka and Tomitake should be smarter than just sending your average van into that situation. Not like they would be surprised by the weaponry against them. So hopefully that van is a lot sturdier than it looks or they have some idea. After all if they killed there no chance of grabbing the Banken. Satoko has done a great job so far, but they will need some help.
Rocket-proof flying car will totally crush my feelings about higu kai!
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Old 2007-12-16, 06:46   Link #62
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I dunno, the shot heard during the blackout sounded more like a rifle shot than a launching of a RPG. Perhaps there is a sniper around? xD
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Old 2007-12-16, 07:45   Link #63
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The sniper plan is perfect solution, but in that case there's no need for Akasaka to drive on full throttle. I mean if Yamainu man are wiped out they should dismantle the roadblock not to break through it.
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Old 2007-12-16, 10:06   Link #64
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and which fetish would that be?<.<
They both like to shoot young girls
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Old 2007-12-16, 11:08   Link #65
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They both like to shoot young girls
hahahaha lol.
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Old 2007-12-16, 11:52   Link #66
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Just curious, what was the BGM being played in the game during the Satoshi scene?
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Old 2007-12-16, 12:12   Link #67
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Psycho warfare!
Having the subs made that scene so much more funnier -

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The garbage that takano is saying just reflects how stressed she is...oh dear O.O
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Old 2007-12-16, 12:58   Link #68
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if the next episode is the last wont that mean
Spoiler for im not sure if spoiler:
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Old 2007-12-16, 13:52   Link #69
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if the next episode is the last wont that mean
Spoiler for im not sure if spoiler:
They might have it at the very end but that's highly unlikely
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Old 2007-12-16, 13:57   Link #70
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Meh, this was a bad episode.

1) Placing all those traps would have taken months. Also, how could they possibly know where exactly the enemy will walk and place their traps accordingly? And logs? Where did they find logs? And how did they get them where they wanted them? And how did Keichi and Rena know the three guys would come at them through that exact spot that allowed them to catapult the barrel at them?

The whole mountain scenario was so ridiculous in so many ways. It was a huge disappointment.

2) Why are the Yamainu so horribly incompetent? It's like they randomly picked some teens off the streets to be in their elite force. There is no way Kasai should have been able to intimidate the two guys at the clinic like that. Besides, one of them had a clear opening to shoot Kasai while his friend was being kicked and he did nothing.

3) How come the kids are so calm and confident? They're being chased by a dozen guys with automatic weapons! Any normal person would be on the edge of panicking in a situation like that.

4) The animation was pretty bad again. I felt the animation in most action scenes lacking and there was that one scene where Hanyuu was praising Keichi and he just stood frozen like a lemon and it looked really unrealistic. That is not how a studio like KyoAni would have handled it.

This is rapidly becoming my least favourite chapter in the anime. They're constantly breaking the mood with absurdities that have no place in an anime with a serious plot like Higurashi.
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Old 2007-12-16, 14:21   Link #71
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1. Those Traps were placed by Satoko as she was growing up. So yes it did take months for all the traps to be set

2. Kasai knocked out both of them. So no the other Yamainu couldn't have shot him

3. These kids aren't what you call normal. As Satoko killed her parents, Mion forced her sister to get her fingernails pulled out, Keiichi shot at littile girls with a bb gun, Rena is well Rena, and don't even get me started on Rika and Hanyuu

4. Yes the animation is bad sometimes, Though if you played the original games... let's just say it's an improvement
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Old 2007-12-16, 14:29   Link #72
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You're nitpicking over little details.

Obviously everything was planned out. They just don't go into detail explaining everything because that would waste precious time. There's also obvious stuff like "how could they know where they enemy would go?" Duh, they don't. There's just traps all over the area.

Do you really need everything explained to you?
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Old 2007-12-16, 14:39   Link #73
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These kids aren't what you call normal.

Don't underestimate club members >)
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Old 2007-12-16, 14:43   Link #74
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1. Those Traps were placed by Satoko as she was growing up. So yes it did take months for all the traps to be set
To be fair though, that was only mentioned in one of the TIPS and wasn't covered in the anime. Unless someone has read that, it makes their presence quite inexplicable.
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To be fair though, that was only mentioned in one of the TIPS and wasn't covered in the anime. Unless someone has read that, it makes their presence quite inexplicable.
You know those TIPS were traslated for a reason. It's just being lazy if you complain about how something doesn't make sense and haven't looked at all the resources given.
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1. Those Traps were placed by Satoko as she was growing up. So yes it did take months for all the traps to be set
Touché, though it was not mentioned in the anime and you can't expect people to know that.

But again, certain traps required the kids to be there to set them off and they simply would not be suitable in real life. How come the Yamainu did not see Keichi and Rena move to their positions? If they were there before the Yamainu got there, how did they know they'd walk through that exact spot? This kind of stupidity is usually only seen in shows like Tom & Jerry.

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2. Kasai knocked out both of them. So no the other Yamainu couldn't have shot him
No he didn't. They were both against the wall, then Kasai came in and somehow managed to kick the first one before he could shoot and then the second one just froze in place and didn't shoot even though he had several seconds to do so before Kasai shoved his shotgun into his face.

I suppose if you're really nice you could let this go by pulling out the bad animation card, but it was still bad.

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That doesn't explain anything. They were still being chased by many men who intend to kill them in cold blood. It would take much more than a few tragedies and some bullying to become hardened against that.

And again, regardless of whether it can be credibly explained or not, it just looked off. They were cheery like they were playing games and it's simply not a reaction you'd expect out of anyone in a situation like that.

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4. Yes the animation is bad sometimes, Though if you played the original games... let's just say it's an improvement
Yes, I know how the original games look. It's not a good excuse for bad animation, though.

Anyone defending Deen against these accusations is clearly not thinking objectively.
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Old 2007-12-16, 15:26   Link #77
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But again, certain traps required the kids to be there to set them off and they simply would not be suitable in real life. How come the Yamainu did not see Keichi and Rena move to their positions? If they were there before the Yamainu got there, how did they know they'd walk through that exact spot? This kind of stupidity is usually only seen in shows like Tom & Jerry.
The fact we don't see how they could get there doesn't mean it is impossible or not.
As seen with the slight glimpse of the surroundings, the yamainu were in the deep forest. There isn't any improbability for them to not notice kids who crawl around the dense bushes. And seriously, consdering how they are obviously not taking precaution with their advance and attire, there are much chances for keiichi and rena to see them from afar than the reversed ways.

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No he didn't. They were both against the wall, then Kasai came in and somehow managed to kick the first one before he could shoot and then the second one just froze in place and didn't shoot even though he had several seconds to do so before Kasai shoved his shotgun into his face.

I suppose if you're really nice you could let this go by pulling out the bad animation card, but it was still bad.
Several seconds? it only lasted one second after Kasai was wide open to them.
Again, the psychological card might be "convenient", but it is actually effective in reality as well: you are facing an angry yakuza armed with a shotgun loaded with SLUGS. The guy barged all of a sudden and knocked your only ally... I don't think you can obviously have the "instinct" to open fire as if nothing happened.
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That doesn't explain anything. They were still being chased by many men who intend to kill them in cold blood. It would take much more than a few tragedies and some bullying to become hardened against that.

And again, regardless of whether it can be credibly explained or not, it just looked off. They were cheery like they were playing games and it's simply not a reaction you'd expect out of anyone in a situation like that.
That is because they take the situation as a game because they actually know the terrain and their opponents. Their mindset is actually comparable to Minagoroshi-hen. The thing is they are actually figthting, but their spirit doesn't register the possible "horrible outcome" if they fail.
As shown in Minagoroshi-hen, they didn't have much stress and all fighting the 4 yamainu, despite they risked their life. It is only after Keiichi was shot down that the Harsh reality knocked them.

Considering each of their personality, it isn't even surprising that they are acting as it was like an afterschool activity.
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Yes, I know how the original games look. It's not a good excuse for bad animation, though.

Anyone defending Deen against these accusations is clearly not thinking objectively.
Higurashi was never stellar in animation, that's a given considering the nature and the budget allocated. Granted, it isn't as outraging as some works recently either anyway, especially that it is a very late episode. It isn't as whacky as it seems, and it is still vastly superior to season 1.
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Old 2007-12-16, 15:35   Link #78
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No he didn't. They were both against the wall, then Kasai came in and somehow managed to kick the first one before he could shoot and then the second one just froze in place and didn't shoot even though he had several seconds to do so before Kasai shoved his shotgun into his face.

I suppose if you're really nice you could let this go by pulling out the bad animation card, but it was still bad
It's called intimidation. His size, the tone of his voice and the power of his shotgun all made them scared of him. Kasai said it himself, he has a higher body count than them, making him more experienced. Compared to him they're rookies. Kasai used to work with the Sokozakis and the Sonozakis are the yakuza.

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That doesn't explain anything. They were still being chased by many men who intend to kill them in cold blood. It would take much more than a few tragedies and some bullying to become hardened against that.

And again, regardless of whether it can be credibly explained or not, it just looked off. They were cheery like they were playing games and it's simply not a reaction you'd expect out of anyone in a situation like that.
There is no right way to act. Some people act differently in situations. To them they love this kind of stuff, it gets their adrenaline pumping. Keiichi was having the time of his life during the duel with Rena in Tsumihoroboshi. In Minagoroshi they were the same way until Keiichi got shot because they foolishly attacked head on. This time they have the advantage because they had time to plan.

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Yes, I know how the original games look. It's not a good excuse for bad animation, though.

Anyone defending Deen against these accusations is clearly not thinking objectively.
Compared to the first season, the animation and artwork is much better. If you think otherwise then you need to rewatch the first season to remember how bad it was.
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Old 2007-12-16, 16:12   Link #79
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That doesn't explain anything. They were still being chased by many men who intend to kill them in cold blood. It would take much more than a few tragedies and some bullying to become hardened against that.

And again, regardless of whether it can be credibly explained or not, it just looked off. They were cheery like they were playing games and it's simply not a reaction you'd expect out of anyone in a situation like that.
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It's called intimidation. Keiichi was having the time of his life during the duel with Rena in Tsumihoroboshi. In Minagoroshi they were the same way until Keiichi got shot because they foolishly attacked head on. This time they have the advantage because they had time to plan.
Also in Watanagashi/Meakashi-hen Keiichi wasn't afraid that he was going die when "Mion" had him held down and was going to tourture him. He was more concerned about her health, he was even joking around with her. Also like others said in Minagoroshi it was only when Keiichi was killed that they started to freak out.

The Yamainu are just another club game game to them. Like how the dual with Rena was a club game to Keiichi.
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Old 2007-12-16, 16:15   Link #80
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Why the hell did they not take the MP5SD's from the weapon rack just before they left the clinic? They could surely use some more firepower.
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