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We can argue over opinions, but over personal understanding (I won't say facts anymore because I see that somehow obvious things can be seen in a different way, like how the scene of Kei opening the door can be interpreted as a rejection. I mean, I... *try to find words*) is just a bit too much.
![]() I would like to fill in an interesting piece of information though: in the game, if you reach the bad ending in Miyako's chapter by choosing to go to watch Kei's basketball game instead of spending the day with Miyako on bed, Miyako would leave you, and you will end up with Kei as a brother and sister relationship just like before, which means back to square one. You can tell the story is just intended that way, that Kei and Hiro are never meant to be lovers. Wonder if that's convincing enough.
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as someone who worked with guuchan on this show, i think that you guys are just overanalyzing it. same happens with other romance shows like Suzuka, where people keep trying to relate it to all sort of psychologic and philosophic crap.
if you look hard enough, you'll always find something to support your argument. i think the show is best enjoyed for what it is, for the atmosphere it creates. some things are better left alone.
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If you watch a show, no matter the genre, it is always fun to analyze the motives behind each person's behaviour or decisions; but it is even more fun to take their decisions then as something you just have to accept, as a given. The wondering how all will work out is a part of the enjoyment such an experience can bring you. However "bad" the writers may have approached certain aspects in your eyes, just let it go. Let the impression sink in. After all, having such a discussion in this thread, about a show that wasn't even given it's own sub forum, is a neat thing just don't resolve to bickering.Cheers
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Just something I want to note down, According to the conversation with Yuko at the rooftop, when he was thinking on what to do and saw the rooftop door open. Part of the conversation was that mentally, Hiro knew what should have been done and knew what he wanted to do with each of the girls....it was never stated what he wanted but he knew... I also wish there would have been more exposure on Yu and Chihiro's relationship. It was obvious that she remembers him even without her diary and not someone she spent hours and hours with on a daily basis...so Yu must have a significant meaning to her life other than her current guardian. |
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Chihiro was not in a happy place at the start of the series, and I remember her saying something to the effect of how futile and pointless her life was and how she'd rather she just disappeared.
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That's only because the anime was focused on this couple, which seem to have created this large fan base for these two.
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I have only read some of the latest post so I'm not sure if this has been already mentioned, (probablu someone does, but I'll just do it again
) When the lyrics "Be alive take it", there were signficant changes in the OP sequences, being the most significant that the characters were no longer disintegrated and destroyed by the chains, but they were breaking free from them... breaking free from their painful memories instead of losing to them? |
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I think it isn't quite right to say that Hiro and Kei are back to their sibling relationship. The reason is because in my mind they never considered it to be that type. From Kei's point of view she just used the word onichan to get close to him, but stumbled over his issues in moving forward. It is heavily highlighted that Hiro didn't know what Kei was to him until he had to make a choice and then at that point they decided that they were brother and sister.
So I think it is more apt to say that they started their brother sister relationship during the same time as Hiro and Miyako started their romantic relationship. Here is my take on the final relationships... Hiro x Miyako - Hiro overcomes his issues with no need for a relationship as such, they are by products of his moving forward. Miyako is very much dependant on hers, hence me always going on about one crutch for another, but if Hiro sticks to being the guy he wants to be then all is good. Hiro x Kei - Hiro as above, but Kei really shines here, as she overcomes hers with no real dependency on a relationship, instead she has been given a clean plate and hopefully can choose hers with no baggage involved. Kei x Kyosuke - I think they might make a nice couple for ef 2 ![]() Renji x Chihiro - Renji's personal issue is really really subtle in my mind as it isn't in your face like the others are. Part of it was choosing his future (kinda petty in the big scheme of things...), there was how to deal with Chihiro's illness and so on. But the thing is he didn't need the relationship to get over anything, instead he wanted the relationship because he loves Chihiro, I guess he just had to work out that it wasn't a snapshot of Chihiro from the past he loves, but Chihiro here now and in the future. Very beautiful sentiment imho. Chihio's problems I think can be overshadowed by her 13 hour memory, but as we see in the last episode that isn't such an issue when she loves someone so much. Instead her issue is the chains binding her, and they in my mind are not chains of 13 hours, but chains she eventually displayed in her diary entry after doing the deed. It was fear for hurting herself and fear for hurting the person she loved. The amount of pain and desperation she must of been going through when she told Renji does she know him must have been horrible. For her their relationship is slightly bound to her solving her issues, but I think more so, it was just Renji's manly and non-stalker persistence.
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For the final review I will ever give on ef ~a tale of memories~, I will focus on a number of points, some of which may be divided into subpoints. These points are as follows;
Atmosphere
The Cast Main Characters
Side Characters
Script
So there we have it, the basis by which I shall give my review on ef ~a tale of memories~. Ikuzo! __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ ![]() This is the Animesuki Forums chapter of the Triple Critique for ef ~a tale of memories~. The Triple Critique is a system of three reviews on the same series, composed in differing formats for varying needs. For a short summary, the NHRV chapter offers a 5-minute quick read through the merits of the series. For a full-picture, unrated review, the RIUVA chapter offers a blog-based discourse. __________________________________________________ _______________ Atmosphere A good anime series draws its viewing audience into its own world; to achieve that, it has to set a general mood. To create a certain mood, two things must be achieved; firstly, animation of at least decent quality animation must be present in order not to make the whole thing look too jarring to the viewer's eyes, and secondly, the appropriate set of background music must be selected, in order to convey the general emotions of any particular scene. With the most unlikely of animation studios in charge of the adaptation, how did ef ~a tale of memories~ fare on both accounts? Background Music (Tenmon) Spoiler for length:
Rating for Background Music: 9.6/10 Art Direction (Katou Megumi) Spoiler for length:
Rating for Art Direction: 8.3/10 Animation (SHAFT) Spoiler for length:
Rating for Animation: 7.9/10 By proving that their signature visual style can be an asset rather than a hindrance in a visual novel adaptation, Oonuma has set the stage for SHAFT to take on absolutely anything under the sun. With a world different from the original game world’s that is still beautiful in its own right, and with the original Tenmon music along with one of his newest pieces composed especially for this adaptation, SHAFT has given us proof that, even though their visual style can be an acquired taste, it can be utilized to create the correct kind of atmosphere for a visual novel adaptation; as they have all but proven, with ef ~a tale of memories~. Overall Rating for Atmosphere: 8.6/10 __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ The Cast (previously Character Handling) A good setting lays the foundation of the world that the story takes place in, but it is the characters themselves who sets the foundation of the story itself; indeed, the storyline of the entire series rises and falls based on how well each and every character is handled; it's a fine line between making an individual character, or indeed the entire cast, look either dull and uninteresting, or over-the-top and lacking the ability to suspend the disbelief of the audience. So how did ef ~a tale of memories~ fare on this account? As per usual, I will be rating the performance of the seiyuus as part of the competency in the execution of each individual character. Main Characters Miyamura Miyako (Taguchi Hiroko) ”At last, I’ve found a world with sound. I’ve found a home with colour.” Spoiler for length:
Rating for Miyamura Miyako: 8.2/10 Rating for Taguchi Hiroko: 9.7/10 Hirono Hiro (Shimono Hiro) ”I feel like…I’ve seen the colour I’ve been looking for.” Spoiler for length:
Rating for Hirono Hiro: 7.2/10 Rating for Shimono Hiro: 8.0/10 Shindou Kei (Okada Junko) ”Beyond here is the place where I fight.” Spoiler for length:
Rating for Shindou Kei: 7.7/10 Rating for Okada Junko: 8.4/10 Shindou Chihiro (Yanase Natsumi) ”I don’t want to forget. I don’t want to disappear. I don’t want to return to those empty days anymore.” Spoiler for length:
Rating for Shindou Chihiro: 9.2/10 Rating for Yanase Natsumi: 7.6/10 Asou Renji (Takagi Motoki) ”I won’t let you forget, no matter what happens.” Spoiler for length:
Rating for Asou Renji: 9.2/10 Rating for Takagi Motoki: 8.3 /10 Side Characters Although there are a large number of supporting characters in addition to the main cast in ef ~a tale of memories~, only several were instrumental in moving the plot along; accordingly, I shall rate only those of the supporting characters who were important to the story. Tsutsumi Kyousuke (Tai Yuuki) ”Whether it’s just one scene or one cut, I want to make a film that shakes the souls of those who see it. For that sake, it won’t work if that moment doesn’t shake my own soul.” Spoiler for length:
Rating for Tsutsumi Kyousuke: 7.8/10 Rating for Tai Yuuki: 8.2/10 Himura Yuu (Toochika Kouichi) ”Miracles don’t exist. There are only inevitabilities and accidents, and what you’re going to do.” Spoiler for length:
Rating for Himura Yuu: 7.2/10 Rating for Toochika Kouichi: 7.6/10 Amamiya Yuuko (Nakajima Yumiko) ”As long as you live, you can’t run away from pain.” Spoiler for length:
Rating for Amamiya Yuuko: 6.2/10 Rating for Nakajima Yumiko: 7.0/10 With the possible exception of Chihiro and Renji, a deeper analysis of the cast in the anime adaptation of ef would reveal a relative lack of depth in the personalities of the cast as a whole. However, what gives the individuals of the cast such strength is the raw emoting done to a nicety by the voice actors of the cast; theatrical and melodramatic in their performance they may be, but one cannot deny their ability to breath life into the characters through their skill in their voice alone. The voice actors are the main pillar which holds up the strength of the cast in this anime, so all kudos to them for a wonderful overall performance. Overall Rating for The Cast: 8.3/10 __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ Script A good story; that is what an audience expects, regardless of whether the medium is a book, TV, a movie, or even in this case, an anime. And to get a good story, you need a promising premise, a logical yet appetizing plot, and most importantly of all, inspired direction to make the story really shine amongst its peers. In the current trend of a visual novel adaptation flood in the anime market, how does ef ~a tale of memories~ stand out amongst its peers? Storyline Quality Spoiler for length:
Rating for Storyline Quality: 8.4/10 Pacing Spoiler for length:
Rating for Pacing: 8.9/10 Internal Consistency Spoiler for length:
Rating for Internal Consistency: 8.2/10 “ef ~a tale of memories~” is in spirit, if not in name, a well-executed Korean melodrama; it may not have some of the great depth of dramatic content that separates the truly great from the good, but brisk pacing and a largely consistent storyline makes sure that interest on the part of the audience never flags. And the presentation of raw emotion has never felt more real or raw than it does here, so despite the relatively lightweight plot, there was never any danger of this series being anything less than good in the storyboarding. And really, the Chihiro-Renji storyline, if taken on its own, would really have been something special indeed. Overall Rating for Script: 8.5/10 __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ Overall Execution Overall, “ef ~a tale of memories” has been a stellar example of how melodrama really should be done. Oonuma Shin has proven that the stark visuals of the signature SHAFT style can indeed be used to great effect in a visual novel adaptation, and I’m eager to see what else he is capable of. With a serviceable set of storylines and the rawest presentation of emotionality I have ever seen in memory, “ef ~a tale of memories~” is a solid, yet underrated work that deserves a chance despite the Shinbou visual style. Final Rating for ef ~a tale of memories~: 8.4/10.
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