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Old 2008-01-19, 22:32   Link #101
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I - Interrupt. These skills activate when the conditions stated in the text occur, such as Enemy Attack skill, Ally Support skill, Ally near death, etc.

Ai - Anti-Interrupt. Don't trigger Interrupt skills.

Pe - Penetration. Are not affected by defensive abilities. (Protection for sure, I don't remember if it stops other abilities?)

Pr - Takes no damage from the specified attribute color

V - Vanish. Cancels targetted Support skill.

Av - Anti-Vanish. Cannot be Vanished.

S - Setup. Interrupt skill that is stored in the Remaining Zone.

C - Counter. Hits opponent when they hit you. Usually seperated into high damage-low defense and low damage-high defense.

R - Reverse. Regains HP equal to (damage suffered ~ 10% of damage suffered).

Bu - Buster. IIRC, they ignore defenses and deal a specific percentage of damage.
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Old 2008-01-20, 00:06   Link #102
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I just finished the chapter 10 battle. I'm on Ruputna's route now, but now I'm having second thoughts and think I should've gone for Nozomi or Satsuki instead first. Story-wise those two are more interesting than Ruputna.
Honestly speaking, I don't like Ruptna's route, but I do like Ruptna as a character. I guess I should have recommended Satsuki's route to you first, so that you'll be able to appreciate Narukana-sama's route more once you play through it.


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Yes I did get revenge with Euphie, but there are some battles even she has problems with.

That is, until Narukana came along.



You know character levels and permanent wills? How you're supposed to slowly increase them over the course of the game to match the enemies' growing strengths? The game's difficulty is supposed to grow over the length of the game, but that's all a lie fabricated by those crafty bastards at Xuse. This game really has only two levels of difficulty: Before and After Narukana.

Yes, Xuse, I get the point that she's a "I win, can I haz a SS rank now plz? kthx" button.
Hush! You're not supposed to spoil it for everyone!

...>___>;

Well, in Hard and Super Hard, Narukana-sama's initial problem will be catching up with everyone's levels. But once that's over, and you get her Permanent Wills for her new skills...>___>;

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PS: Yes, she's quite adorable, so please put that shinken away. >___>
PhoenixG was right. You should hear her chanting Elemental Burst. LOL.

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PS2: I spotted a mistake by Xuse in Ch 10, Ruputna version. There's a point during that chapter where Narukana suddenly has a school uniform on and speaks a few lines of dialogue then a little later suddenly changes to her normal outfit. lol.
I don't know if it's intentional or whatnot, but Satsuki's ending also has some kind of mistake regarding her
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Or maybe it's just me. >_>

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I - Interrupt. These skills activate when the conditions stated in the text occur, such as Enemy Attack skill, Ally Support skill, Ally near death, etc.

Ai - Anti-Interrupt. Don't trigger Interrupt skills.

Pe - Penetration. Are not affected by defensive abilities. (Protection for sure, I don't remember if it stops other abilities?)

Pr - Takes no damage from the specified attribute color

V - Vanish. Cancels targetted Support skill.

Av - Anti-Vanish. Cannot be Vanished.

S - Setup. Interrupt skill that is stored in the Remaining Zone.

C - Counter. Hits opponent when they hit you. Usually seperated into high damage-low defense and low damage-high defense.

R - Reverse. Regains HP equal to (damage suffered ~ 10% of damage suffered).

Bu - Buster. IIRC, they ignore defenses and deal a specific percentage of damage.
Pretty sure that either Pe or Bu nullify R and C effects from defensive skills...I don't know which of them does it, though. I'll go ahead and test it later.
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Old 2008-01-20, 03:09   Link #103
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Pretty sure that either Pe or Bu nullify R and C effects from defensive skills...I don't know which of them does it, though. I'll go ahead and test it later.
I think Pe only nullifies Pr skills, while Bu ignores everything, but my current experience shows that those are only one-time-only starting damage skills, or special very heavy damage skills.

Pe can be affected by R and C.
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Old 2008-01-20, 05:00   Link #104
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Pe are meant to penetrate Pr skills.

Bu skills are most start battle skill ( so use once and useless the rest of the battle) or it require a lot of mana to use it ( Zetsu has two that require 6 mana for attack skill and 5 mana for support skill). So they aren't really that usefull.

Pr only protect against skills with a certain 'colour'. You need to read the description of the defence to figure it out which 'colour' it will defend.

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I don't know if it's intentional or whatnot, but Satsuki's ending also has some kind of mistake regarding her
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Or maybe it's just me. >_>
Well her profile wasn't updated after she turn to it, unlike Nozomu...

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Something that still bugs me. How does % skills deal damage?
Normal skills are easy. (Material attack * strength + Force attack * force) - (Material defence * defence + force defence * resist). (without bonus of the battle location)

And I wish the elemental thingies are less hidden parameter. Just try ルインドユニバース only, with Holy and with elemental

For some reason with elemental deals more damage than the other to >.<

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Old 2008-01-20, 06:57   Link #105
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Evoria's Pr skill protects from all colors, if I remember correctly, since hers is a Protection Prism...? Can't be too sure, but that's what I remember.

% skills take the enemy's Max HP into consideration, that's why they're stronger if the enemy has more HP. Don't know the exact formula, though.

And yes, elemental affinities still bug me.
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Old 2008-01-20, 07:24   Link #106
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Evoria's has two Pr skill. One that protects Red, White and green and the other Blue, Black and green.

It's エト・カ・リファ that has a defence skill that protects all.

About the % skills. I thought something like (Material attack * attack * enemy current HP + Force attack * force * enemy current HP) - (Material defence * defence + Force defence * resist). But something is missing.
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Old 2008-01-20, 07:49   Link #107
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Evoria's Pr skill protects from all colors, if I remember correctly, since hers is a Protection Prism...? Can't be too sure, but that's what I remember.

% skills take the enemy's Max HP into consideration, that's why they're stronger if the enemy has more HP. Don't know the exact formula, though.

And yes, elemental affinities still bug me.
Just like Normal Attacks I think % are affected by the % of your stats. Also, it takes into consideration the Current HP of the Enemy not the Max HP. That's why % skills deal less damage or zero damage when the enemy has Low HP.
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Old 2008-01-20, 10:25   Link #108
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I forgot that % skills use current HP. My bad. >_<
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Also, Pe is supposed to ignore Pr, C and R but, for some reason (bug?) only Nozomu's Name Breaker ignores the effects of R. I don't remember if it ignore's C.

All others Pe only ignore the Pr ability. Maybe there's a Pe for each ability?
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Old 2008-01-20, 12:57   Link #110
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Ermm.... Nozomu's Name Breaker doesn't ignore Evoria's R skill.
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Old 2008-01-20, 15:55   Link #111
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Ermm.... Nozomu's Name Breaker doesn't ignore Evoria's R skill.
It doesn't? That's weird... I was sure it did...

There were times when Evoria's R skill was ignored by the Name Breaker... I'm sure of that much...
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Old 2008-01-21, 05:40   Link #112
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Just checked out Youtube for some Seinarukana videos, and it seems that some scenes in Nozomi's, Narukana's and Satsuki's routes are available. @_@
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Old 2008-01-21, 15:57   Link #113
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Something I've just checked. It looks like that only enemies Pe skills ignores allies R skills, but the other way around doesn't. Bug?

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It doesn't? That's weird... I was sure it did...

There were times when Evoria's R skill was ignored by the Name Breaker... I'm sure of that much...
Also rechecked this. Name Breaker doesn't ignore it.

But I think it might be possible that she doesn't her enough mana to use her R defence skill. Name Breaker has a nasty ability to reduce mana regenaration with 1.

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Old 2008-01-21, 22:00   Link #114
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Is each world in Seinarukana just a planet or is it it's own contained universe?
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Old 2008-01-21, 23:37   Link #115
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They're all just worlds, encompassed by the "bigger" world,
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I was wondering how space travel, NASA, and all that done by Nozomu's world would fit into the whole thing.
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Old 2008-01-22, 02:48   Link #117
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I think it's still possible. The way how Monobe travel is more like flying from world to world by worm holes. I think.
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If I recall the dialogue, and if I'm understanding it correctly,

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It could be all totally different of course.
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Ughh... looks like I need to reread that part.
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