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Old 2008-01-23, 07:32   Link #1
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This thread is for those of you with questions about the Spice and Wolf anime or manga. There are many questions that don't need a whole thread to discuss them. A simple practical answer straight from the anime or manga without any speculation can solve these connundrums. If someone has such a question about Spice and Wolf which can be solved by answering with facts from an official source, then please ask that question here.

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Woohoo! First post! XD

Anyway, in case this doesn't get answered in the other thread, how old is Lawrence actually? Does the manga (or anime) ever actually say?
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Somewhere it was said, he was 25. Don't remember where exactly.
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It In ANN ....He 25 years old..
Horo 15 years old ..
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Old 2008-01-23, 12:54   Link #5
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Horo 15 years old ..
This is inaccurate. She has the appearance of a 15 year old girl but her actual age? Perhaps a manga reader can tell us if this has been stated or implied.
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Old 2008-01-23, 13:21   Link #6
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Well she is a god so I'm guessing perhaps in the hundreds age wise.
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This is inaccurate. She has the appearance of a 15 year old girl but her actual age? Perhaps a manga reader can tell us if this has been stated or implied.
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Really That Old....Thanks For Info..
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As for her *appearance*, 15yr old girl is used a lot.. but in fact, she could pass for 14-20ish, so that's an arm-waving estimate in my opinion.
Yup, I know a 18 year old woman who would easily pass as a 13 or 14 year old (she's half asian). And I guess this is not so rare in Japan as it is in Europe.
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In medieval Europe, hard work normally took its toll upon a human's body quite quickly. People aged much faster than they do now and you were lucky to live past 40 years. I read somewhere that in WaS/SaW's universe no one, or very few, have lived past the age 75.
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In medieval Europe, hard work normally took its toll upon a human's body quite quickly. People aged much faster than they do now and you were lucky to live past 40 years. I read somewhere that in WaS/SaW's universe no one, or very few, have lived past the age 75.
Yeah, look at Lawrence, he looks more like 30 then 25,
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Actually my wife (japanese extraction) was routinely carded for age at bars until she was 40ish. I suffered a lot of "how dare you be with such a tiny young thing" looks for several decades. Even now, I'll catch 20-somethings giving her the "look" (which makes it hilarious when they discover she's old enough to be their mom). But it isn't just asians... a couple of my son's best friends (age 17 of European extraction), each young lady could easily pass for 15, 20, even 25 (they carry themselves well). Its just not that easy to nail an age estimate.

From what I've read.. the "average lifespan of 40" had more to do with the massive number of newborns that usually died (some cultures didn't even count the kid as born until a week had passed after delivery --- there's a reason that christening isn't done right after birth) and then injury, infection... respiratory illness... so the mortality chart looks like an upside down bell curve with bumps throughout.

Joan of Arc was executed at age 19 after having led armies. Alexander the Great did 90% of his conquering before the age of 25 (died in his 30s). Live fast, die young....

Since Horo is a young goddess (only 600), she thinks of herself as a young woman and that's how she instantiates herself. Her talk and the look in her eyes belie much more age. Thinking a bit of Elda from the series Karin.
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Which subbed version is best to follow? I like BBS's translations but they don't do the karaoke of the opening which is unfortunate for me because I enjoy learning the lyrics and singing along.

Omigosh Vex, you're right! Horo IS like Elda! o.o
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Which subbed version is best to follow? I like BBS's translations but they don't do the karaoke of the opening which is unfortunate for me because I enjoy learning the lyrics and singing along.

Omigosh Vex, you're right! Horo IS like Elda! o.o
BSS is the fastest. No one beats them in speed for SaW/WaS. As for actually saving a hard copy of the episode for archival purposes, I can't help 'ya. I don't archive. I watch and delete. My memory does the rest, and if I need to really see something again I'll just download whichever torrents have the most seeds.
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Which subbed version is best to follow? I like BBS's translations but they don't do the karaoke of the opening which is unfortunate for me because I enjoy learning the lyrics and singing along.

Omigosh Vex, you're right! Horo IS like Elda! o.o
According to AniDB, Ayako's translation is better, than BSS, but BSS has better video quality. Decisions, decisions...
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Since Horo is a young goddess (only 600), she thinks of herself as a young woman and that's how she instantiates herself. Her talk and the look in her eyes belie much more age. Thinking a bit of Elda from the series Karin.
Fitting comparison. I've always thought that the quiet demeanor that befalls older people comes from their perceived proximity to the grave as opposed to years already lived. You're only as old as you feel, and Horo seems to feel like she's 600 going on 16.
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According to AniDB, Ayako's translation is better, than BSS, but BSS has better video quality. Decisions, decisions...
Ayako's isn't out yet. You can't download what hasn't been released. That's why I torrent BSS, because they're the fastest.
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Which subbed version is best to follow? I like BBS's translations but they don't do the karaoke of the opening which is unfortunate for me because I enjoy learning the lyrics and singing along.
Woah, woah there. Please oh please read the first post of this thread.

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This thread is for those of you with questions about the Spice and Wolf anime or manga.

If someone has such a question about Spice and Wolf which can be solved by answering with facts from an official source, then please ask that question here.
Asking for the best fansub version is pure subjective opinion so is totally outside the scope of this thread. In fact it is so much based on subjective opinion we do not normally allow threads of this nature at all. If you want to know, then download the different versions yourself and make your own choice based on you own personal criteria.

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Fitting comparison. I've always thought that the quiet demeanor that befalls older people comes from their perceived proximity to the grave as opposed to years already lived. You're only as old as you feel, and Horo seems to feel like she's 600 going on 16.
Of course... having a properly self-repairing body helps a lot. I can feel 25 all I want and actually do... but slowly the body starts telling you to "stop doing that" (like today I've got a knee ligament whining and moaning FNAR and when I look in the mirror I see my dad instead of me... though with much longer hair).
I could easily go a few hundred years without being bored if the mechanics would keep working... but I find the psychology and the memory management speculations of fictional 'Methuseleh' types to be interesting.

I noted that Horo could remember the details of 'what' she learned but had trouble remembering the 'who' and 'when' of things from long ago.

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