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Old 2008-01-24, 17:13   Link #21
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I noted that Horo could remember the details of 'what' she learned but had trouble remembering the 'who' and 'when' of things from long ago.
Heck, I'm not even 20 and I have that problem. Forgetting is the brain's way of flushing itself of useless information (another quip the source of which escapes me), and where you learned something and from whom you learned it is often less important than what exactly you learned.
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Old 2008-01-24, 22:41   Link #22
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Oh ho, but will Horo forget Lawrence? She promised to remember his name, you know.
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Old 2008-01-24, 22:44   Link #23
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Oh ho, but will Horo forget Lawrence? She promised to remember his name, you know.
I don't think that will be percieved as useless information to be flushed out by the brain.
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Old 2008-01-24, 22:57   Link #24
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I don't understand the idea of wheat harvest being controlled by wolves. What does wolves got to do with wheat? Wolves are hunters so they shouldn't have anything to do with agriculture isn't it?

Why does Horo like apple so much? Wolves are carnivores aren't they?

Interesting show anyway, although i don't quite catch the trade mechanics.
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Old 2008-01-24, 23:30   Link #25
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Spirits of the land.... you pay homage to the top of the food chain because they are the chief nature spirits. The choice of wolf is a little unusual but then after all it was a giant wolf whom they asked to protect their harvest from the raw elements of nature. No point in over-analyzing it because each animist diety usually organically arrives at its place of honor.
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Old 2008-01-25, 03:57   Link #26
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Anyone know the associations with wolves from Japanese mysticism/folklore? Like how raccoons (tanuki) are related to slyness and foxes (kitsune) to various supernatural powers.
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Old 2008-01-25, 09:44   Link #27
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Anyone know the associations with wolves from Japanese mysticism/folklore? Like how raccoons (tanuki) are related to slyness and foxes (kitsune) to various supernatural powers.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkaido_Wolf.

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The wolf was afforded a benign, rather than malignant, place in Japanese mythology and religion: the clan leader Fujiwara no Hidehira was said to have been raised by wolves, and the wolf is often symbolically linked with mountain kami in Shinto (the most famous example being the wolf kami of Mitsumine Shrine in the town of Chichibu in Saitama Prefecture) on Honshū island.
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Old 2008-01-27, 06:12   Link #28
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Will Horo die ?
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Old 2008-01-27, 06:44   Link #29
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Now if we knew that, we'd know the mind of the author since the manga and light novels are still in their early volumes.

My pure speculation: if the wheat were destroyed, she'd lose her physical presence temporarily and then 'respawn' the next season when the wheat returned. She's a kami in essence. Alternatively, she might actually be free of the wheat since she only bound herself to it in a pact with the village.... but she's not willing to risk testing that voluntarily.
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Old 2008-01-27, 12:12   Link #30
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Now if we knew that, we'd know the mind of the author since the manga and light novels are still in their early volumes.
Actually I've been wondering that for a while. Seeing as the light novels are still being written are we gonna get an anime only ending or is the show gonna end after the first major issue with the possibility of a second season? I wouldn't mind more lol (more Horo the better^^) but do the rest you think^^
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Old 2008-01-27, 13:33   Link #31
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Actually I've been wondering that for a while. Seeing as the light novels are still being written are we gonna get an anime only ending or is the show gonna end after the first major issue with the possibility of a second season? I wouldn't mind more lol (more Horo the better^^) but do the rest you think^^
I kind of hope thats the case, because I've become quite irritated by animes having their own ending instead of the original works ending. It never seems to turn out quite as good as the novel/manga original ending.
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Old 2008-01-27, 15:00   Link #32
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aye, I'd almost rather seem them "continue on their journey towards the north" after some encounter that reinforces their bonds rather than some turgid overwrought anime-only "C" grade writing. SHnY managed to accomplish it. Lovely*Complex could certainly do it. Mahoraba twisted manga reality somewhat but in such a way that it wouldn't impact a second season that finishes with the manga ending. It *can* be done.
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Old 2008-01-27, 15:08   Link #33
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Well as long as its a good quality alternate story I don't care. It's just I've seen a lot of animes try and do things differently but fail. If it can be pulled off with Spice and Wolf though I'm all for it.
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Old 2008-01-27, 18:22   Link #34
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Oh ho, but will Horo forget Lawrence? She promised to remember his name, you know.
that's the point, she doesn't have to remember, all she has to do is pass it on in her stories.

The meme will be retold by bards and wandering travellers and will be immortalized as long as the story is told.

just like the Norse & Greek myths.

she doesn't have to remember it.
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Old 2008-01-28, 13:14   Link #35
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I'm stunned speechless. I think I've just discovered the most probable source material for Hasekura's novels. And if I'm right, he couldn't have chosen from a richer source.

The Golden Bough, by Sir James George Frazer, first published in two volumes in 1890. The Wikipedia entry for this book, which supposedly laid the foundation for modern anthropology, particularly in the study of "pagan" myths and magic, can be found here.

The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion is a wide-ranging comparative study of mythology and religion, written by Scottish anthropologist Sir James George Frazer (1854–1941). It offered a modernist approach to discussing religion, treating it dispassionately as a cultural phenomenon rather than from a theological perspective.

So what's the big deal? Well, Sir Frazer was apparently the first anthropologist to notice this particular ritual that is supposedly shared by many farming communities around the world: the Corn Dolly. Take a read for yourself to see the origins of Horo, the Corn-Wolf. It's amazing! (Even if the theory is probably widely discredited by now...)
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Old 2008-01-28, 21:32   Link #36
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I'm stunned speechless. I think I've just discovered the most probable source material for Hasekura's novels. And if I'm right, he couldn't have chosen from a richer source.

The Golden Bough, by Sir James George Frazer, first published in two volumes in 1890. The Wikipedia entry for this book, which supposedly laid the foundation for modern anthropology, particularly in the study of "pagan" myths and magic, can be found here.

The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion is a wide-ranging comparative study of mythology and religion, written by Scottish anthropologist Sir James George Frazer (18541941). It offered a modernist approach to discussing religion, treating it dispassionately as a cultural phenomenon rather than from a theological perspective.

So what's the big deal? Well, Sir Frazer was apparently the first anthropologist to notice this particular ritual that is supposedly shared by many farming communities around the world: the Corn Dolly. Take a read for yourself to see the origins of Horo, the Corn-Wolf. It's amazing! (Even if the theory is probably widely discredited by now...)
You do think too hard. Nice find.
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Old 2008-01-31, 15:43   Link #37
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I believe TinyRedLeaf is entirely correct about the Corn Dolly analogy. The source material referenced may be Western versus Japanese. Remember this anime is supposedly set in medieval Europe. I am going to watch and see if Horo aligns more closely as a Shinto Kami or western pagan diety. Good catch!
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Old 2008-02-02, 15:57   Link #38
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What does spice signify within the context of the title? I can't figure out what it's referring to. Is it literally a spice? If so, how does a spice figure into the story? Or is this case of Engrish and the word spice should have been the slang adjective spicy indicating that Horo is a spicy wolf?
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Old 2008-02-02, 16:06   Link #39
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Traders carry and trade in spice - Lawrence is a trader. Though I can see why that might be confusing because spice hasn't been *specifically* mentioned in the anime yet. Marten fur pelts & Wolf just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Old 2008-02-02, 16:13   Link #40
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What does spice signify within the context of the title? I can't figure out what it's referring to. Is it literally a spice? If so, how does a spice figure into the story? Or is this case of Engrish and the word spice should have been the slang adjective spicy indicating that Horo is a spicy wolf?
The only thing lacking in this post is the complimentary emoticon.... Hi LKK.

To be on the subject... hehe.. ... ahem... ahem.. right..

The official title reads 狼と香辛料 or Ookami to Koushinryou in romaji. Wolf and Spice is the immediate translation given when using a language tools such as Google. I presume it's an easy name to remember for any non-Japanese speaker... so go figure. Wolf and Spice it is.

I don't know how spice figures into the story, but trading is the dominant plot device used to tell this story. As we know from our history, spice was a huge thing in trade in Asia and Europe at that period of time, so perhaps that's how Spice figures into it? Anyway, I tried.

And for the heck of it one more showing of this emoticon...
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