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Old 2008-03-17, 11:08   Link #1001
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What I'm waiting for is Ranka's version of Ai Oboete Imasu ka?.
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Old 2008-03-17, 11:37   Link #1002
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While Gundam seems to determined to show that only a small number of humans are willing to settle their differences and unite against even larger number of humans who cannot do that, and wish to destroy humanity.
That seems to be the opposite of both 0083 and Zeta. Both of those are our heroes trying to deal with small splinter groups that don't want peace.

If the majority of the Federation had been in favor of the Titans behaviour and attitude they wouldn't have worried about Cha addressing the Federation Council for example.

And the AEUG and Karaba would never have found the support from civilian subscriptions to enable them to oppose the Federation's elite special forces on relativily even terms.

Gundam X is similar. There are all of 4 characters that want a war between Earth and the colonies and two of them get talked out of it.
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Old 2008-03-17, 15:16   Link #1003
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Toshihiko was always amazing in Seed. People can bash Seed all they want, but not its all around outstanding OST.
Funny you mention Seed, i was watching it on satellites, (one of the few series that is broadcast in the UK Anime channel, besides kid cartoon channels)

Watched all the way to the end, and i can't for the life of me remember a single memorable music score, even from some of the scenes i can remember (i.e. the fight between kira and what-is-best-friend-name, robot bird flying in space etc etc)

Dunno what ears you have, but they certainly not the same as mine, as i can confidently say i was very underwhelmed by the soundtracks.

Well, except for the ending theme song, seem to remember that, especially when that mobile armour pilot sacrifice himself for his lover-captain, then the credits came after that, sort of made me blink my eyes.


as for "Ai Oboete Imasuka", after all these years, i can still bring up the memories of her singing on that transparent bridge, the explosions lighting her up, and the valkyries flashing and dying around her, as the song reach the chorus one on the many break though the stunned zentradi's, blows a hole in the mothership, the valkyrie flowing on the song itself, before reaching the big-head, pull out the bazooka and nails the bugger! god.

that song will remain with me forever.

Just the same as i can remember the chasing and quicken pace of the notes as gauld and dyson settle their rivalry amongst the test city, trading punches and tactics. it was beautiful.

As for GiTS, well maybe because i'm a Shirow Masumune Fan and love GiTS, Appleseed, Tank Police etc etc. That i really like the OST from them?

well maybe not Appleseed, the original nor the new ones. for some reason not really connecting to me on those remakes/adaptations.

Cowboy Bebop was a good OST too, i think yoko kanno did great on that too, and i watched that on the same channel as Gundam Seed was on, so maybe that's why i never noticed it's OST? drowned out by a superior one.

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Old 2008-03-17, 17:55   Link #1004
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Dunno what ears you have, but they certainly not the same as mine, as i can confidently say i was very underwhelmed by the soundtracks.
I can't begin to understand how someone who has good knowledge on musical scores, would say that about SEED's score.
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Old 2008-03-17, 18:00   Link #1005
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I can't begin to understand how someone who has good knowledge on musical scores, would say that about SEED's score.
it's macross.

its makes everything else seem several shades pale in comparison.

Pity me.

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Old 2008-03-18, 01:51   Link #1006
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Funny you mention Seed, i was watching it on satellites, (one of the few series that is broadcast in the UK Anime channel, besides kid cartoon channels)

Watched all the way to the end, and i can't for the life of me remember a single memorable music score, even from some of the scenes i can remember (i.e. the fight between kira and what-is-best-friend-name, robot bird flying in space etc etc)

Dunno what ears you have, but they certainly not the same as mine, as i can confidently say i was very underwhelmed by the soundtracks.
You seem to harbor some sort of an open grudge with the Gundam shows so I really can't take that as too genuine.. Also, dubbed versions tends to lower the music in most cases as well. Not to forget the inclusion of the OP/ED really adds to the whole thing. You say you haven't heard of one memorable track, I can remember at least a dozen or so from the top of my head. It makes me want to whip out the OST again.

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as for "Ai Oboete Imasuka", after all these years, i can still bring up the memories of her singing on that transparent bridge, the explosions lighting her up, and the valkyries flashing and dying around her, as the song reach the chorus one on the many break though the stunned zentradi's, blows a hole in the mothership, the valkyrie flowing on the song itself, before reaching the big-head, pull out the bazooka and nails the bugger! god.
Too bad they rarely used that song at all. I thought all the different versions of Shao Pai Lon was great personally. Chinese pop.

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Cowboy Bebop was a good OST too, i think yoko kanno did great on that too, and i watched that on the same channel as Gundam Seed was on, so maybe that's why i never noticed it's OST? drowned out by a superior one.
Respectfully disagreed. I think Bebop tends to get way too much credit even though it did have a very solid soundtrack. I mean, people keep finding ways to bury the Seed/Seed Destiny shows but they did have some pretty solid production at times. And I just don't see any evidence otherwise to suggest the OSTs aren't anything besides extraordinary.

Also, I think Toshihiko Sahashi isn't credited enough because he worked mostly with a lot of otherwise unimpressive manga ports and smaller works. Even shows like Gunslinger Girls was a relatively minor show compared to other shows in its time. A yet another great Toshihiko OST in that one.

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The absolute truth. Toshihiko SEED score is pretty breath taking. You have your perfect epic battle themes, along with some emotional tracks that really make you feel for Kira and what is happening to him as a character. One of my favorite scores, for sure.
Seed Destiny also had a bevy of great ones as well. The guy just KNOWS how to do military-sounding tracks that is both upbeat and ends up sounding just fresh. If he did Macross Frontier, I would've cheered on top of my seat.

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Funny enough, Kanno's Turn A Gundam score is not only my favorite work by her, it's pretty much my favorite score of all time. Just like the series, and how much it means to me.

Anyway that's enough off-topic i believe. I'm very much looking forward to hearing more of Kanno's work for Frontier. I don't think it's going to be the type of score that'll reach such a high place like her Macross Plus work, though i'd love to be proven wrong. Can't wait.
I don't think the bar is raised that highly. Macross Plus did have a lot of great songs but I don't think it really had the military-sounding background themes that would have to be prevalent in a full series. There's way more for Kanno to work with, as she did with Turn-A.

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Old 2008-03-18, 04:39   Link #1007
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Also, I think Toshihiko Sahashi isn't credited enough because he worked mostly with a lot of otherwise unimpressive manga ports and smaller works. Even shows like Gunslinger Girls was a relatively minor show compared to other shows in its time. A yet another great Toshihiko OST in that one.



Seed Destiny also had a bevy of great ones as well. The guy just KNOWS how to do military-sounding tracks that is both upbeat and ends up sounding just fresh. If he did Macross Frontier, I would've cheered on top of my seat.



I don't think the bar is raised that highly. Macross Plus did have a lot of great songs but I don't think it really had the military-sounding background themes that would have to be prevalent in a full series. There's way more for Kanno to work with, as she did with Turn-A.
I haven't been exposed to many scores, but I can safely say that Sahashi has some of the best brass instrument(in orchestra) work I've seen, for GS series, FMP series, Zipang, and other military series. Honestly speaking he might be a little lacking on the sentimental side for me though. I'd think Gunslinger Girl's score, however great it is(and I do think it's godly, ansia makes me swoon), was when he got lucky. Not to mention Katekyo Hitman Reborn's OST didn't really have much in the way of memorable tracks for me.

While for Kanno, she's way more adaptable than anything else, and she carves up a niche of her own with her very distinctive melding of different styles and genres. While her brass work is IMHO inferior to Sahashi's, she's way more adaptable than he is when it comes to things like OP/ED/Insert song composing , which is precisely what a franchise like Macross needs, what with the singing already being a standard trademark of this franchise. And since this isn't a purely military series with all bugles and trumpets, we'll be needing much more of a balanced soundtrack to complement all types of scenes properly.

And yes, Turn A Gundam OST FTW. Let's hear if Kanno can repeat that kind of performance in Frontier.
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Old 2008-03-18, 06:15   Link #1008
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I don't think the bar is raised that highly. Macross Plus did have a lot of great songs but I don't think it really had the military-sounding background themes that would have to be prevalent in a full series. There's way more for Kanno to work with, as she did with Turn-A.
Yoko Kanno always knows how to draw us the viewers into the series we're watching with her music, and i just think that's what Macross Plus needed more then anything, and the score plays a very important part at key scenes in the story. I surely do hope she'll be able to do that again with Macross Frontier. It was shown with Turn A Gundam that is doesn't matter how many episodes the series must be.
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Old 2008-03-18, 10:17   Link #1009
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Well can't say I'm the best at judging different series music. Though I played tough to really put something I heard a while ago into a comparison.

At least the thread has done a good thing. Thought at least I could check out Macross Plus to try and get a look at things. Obviously a ton of things that are out there to watch. Really is something to see how much music had a role to play in that one.
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Old 2008-03-18, 10:35   Link #1010
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The lack of talk about Sahashi Toshihiko's Simoun score makes me sad, I'll rate OST 1 from Simoun as his best OST ever with Gundam SEED OST III being #2. If you liked his work on the SEED series than you should definately check out his Simoun score... Also while I really, really liked Yoko Kanno's TAG score I thought she did a better job with Brain Powered which imo is her best obscure work. *plays Power of Light*.

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While for Kanno, she's way more adaptable than anything else, and she carves up a niche of her own with her very distinctive melding of different styles and genres. While her brass work is IMHO inferior to Sahashi's, she's way more adaptable than he is when it comes to things like OP/ED/Insert song composing , which is precisely what a franchise like Macross needs, what with the singing already being a standard trademark of this franchise. And since this isn't a purely military series with all bugles and trumpets, we'll be needing much more of a balanced soundtrack to complement all types of scenes properly.
I think people need to realize the points you brought up in this paragraph, while personally I wanted Taku Iwasaki to get the new Macross, with two pop singers in Sheryl and Ranka he wouldn't be able to handle the insert song composing. Also he's much more suited to the Bones Spring Title "Soul Eater".. the music from the trailer is awesome...

Sahashi Toshihiko for instance did an amazing job with the SEED scores but Yuki Kajiura had to handle every insert song as well as a fair portion of the ED themes. That's why Kanno is perfect for the job and so far she seems to be doing a great job, the two insert songs I really like and the BGM played from 19:30 onwards is just awesome.

Kanno did a fantastic job in Macross Plus, musically and vocally as Gabrielle Robins, in addition to every insert song which she knocked out the park, stuff like Dogfight was just amazing, the way that track is layered and built up is just perfect.

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Old 2008-03-18, 16:43   Link #1011
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we really need a sub-forum.

so we can separate the many interesting topics here:

* Macross Music

* Enemy Speculation

* 25th Colony Fleet Discussion

* Macross Q&A

* Macross Universe Timeline speculation

* UN Spacy Armament Discussion

* Singing Seiyuu Discussion


Dammn, got enough here already.

feeling.....constraint.....neeeeed....sub-forum!..

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Old 2008-03-18, 21:37   Link #1012
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The only tracks from Brain Powerd I actually like were Ark, Ground Zero and the opener and ending. The rest of it just didn't do anything for me. For me her strongest OST is probably Turn A Gundam with Escaflowne a close second.
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Old 2008-03-18, 22:32   Link #1013
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I'm sure 4tran will be trying to get us a Macross sub forum Onizuka-GTO, heck I don't think he will have to try that hard since this thread is already over 1000 posts.... without a sub forum this thread will smash whatever record Kimikiss Pure Rogue sets for most posts in a single thread in this forum. I don't see anything else being more popular next season than Code Geass R2, Macross Frontier and Soul Eater.
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Old 2008-03-18, 22:54   Link #1014
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For me her strongest OST is probably Turn A Gundam with Escaflowne a close second.
A man who knows what he is on about. Lets just hope she'll reach that strong level yet again with Frontier.
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I'm sure 4tran will be trying to get us a Macross sub forum Onizuka-GTO, heck I don't think he will have to try that hard since this thread is already over 1000 posts.... without a sub forum this thread will smash whatever record Kimikiss Pure Rogue sets for most posts in a single thread in this forum. I don't see anything else being more popular next season than Code Geass R2, Macross Frontier and Soul Eater.
We'll get a subforum, I'll see to it as well.
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Old 2008-03-19, 01:53   Link #1016
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Yoko Kanno always knows how to draw us the viewers into the series we're watching with her music, and i just think that's what Macross Plus needed more then anything, and the score plays a very important part at key scenes in the story. I surely do hope she'll be able to do that again with Macross Frontier. It was shown with Turn A Gundam that is doesn't matter how many episodes the series must be.
I somewhat disagree. Because a longer series needs more variety and even a general theme song (usually theme song's') to compensate for the situations that has to sound unique.

Even the Mai Otome OVAs and Macross Plus, as great as they were, really didn't need to hinge on too many pieces compared to the typical 26-50 episode shows. I think the trend is definitely there when listening to the actual OSTs. The actual number of the tracks is obviously higher in 2 cour+ shows. Also in general experience, I think the actual themery of the music tends to be more ambitious, such as having remixes of the same theme to various effect and so forth.

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The lack of talk about Sahashi Toshihiko's Simoun score makes me sad, I'll rate OST 1 from Simoun as his best OST ever with Gundam SEED OST III being #2. If you liked his work on the SEED series than you should definately check out his Simoun score... Also while I really, really liked Yoko Kanno's TAG score I thought she did a better job with Brain Powered which imo is her best obscure work. *plays Power of Light*.
I never watched Simoun but I'd be willing to download more OSTs of his. To me, the guy needs more popular shows to work on to get more recognized. I mean, even Toshi Masuda seems to have more visibility as a composer even when the only major stuff he did was Jubei Chan, Naruto and Mushishi. Albeit those were some incredible OSTs he worked on.

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I think people need to realize the points you brought up in this paragraph, while personally I wanted Taku Iwasaki to get the new Macross, with two pop singers in Sheryl and Ranka he wouldn't be able to handle the insert song composing. Also he's much more suited to the Bones Spring Title "Soul Eater".. the music from the trailer is awesome...
Exactly. Leave the composition of the insert songs to others. I don't think it matters if the composer actually had direct input or not. Get the specialist who does the thing and put them in there. It has worked for countless anime. Freakishly multi-tasking composers like Kanno are a rarity. I don't think it's entirely fair to judge everyone by the same standard as her.

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Sahashi Toshihiko for instance did an amazing job with the SEED scores but Yuki Kajiura had to handle every insert song as well as a fair portion of the ED themes. That's why Kanno is perfect for the job and so far she seems to be doing a great job, the two insert songs I really like and the BGM played from 19:30 onwards is just awesome.

Kanno did a fantastic job in Macross Plus, musically and vocally as Gabrielle Robins, in addition to every insert song which she knocked out the park, stuff like Dogfight was just amazing, the way that track is layered and built up is just perfect.
Wait. Yuki Kajiura did inserts for Seed scores... Can you even imagine how incredible the inserts would be if Kajiura did Macross Frontier? Christ, I consider Kajiura one of the best insert song composers in the entire business. Just like with Toshihiko though, I do think best days are ahead of her. Now she strikes gold at everything she composes. Though in the end, it's a win win situation whether it'd be Kanno, Kajiura, Toshihiko or any other incredibly talented composers at the helm.

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Old 2008-03-22, 00:11   Link #1017
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If Kanno did the actual OST and Kajiura did the inserts/EDs, Frontier would be absolute gold from the music itself. i'm a few days late to the discussion, but Kanno's best OST was definitely Escaflowne. The few songs from Turn A i heard were good, but not as good in my ears as Escaflowne. As for Kajiura, her inserts for SEED speak volumes about her ability.
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Macross Plus Inserts (Not counting Information High) > SEED Inserts (Not Counting Meteor, ZIPS the T.M Revolution song from the Special Edition is tight as fuck btw)
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The few songs from Turn A i heard were good
To full appreciate a soundtrack, i've always said that one has to hear it within the series first, before going onto solo listening. That way you're not just listening to the music, it's apart of you from your experience with that series. This works wonders with Turn A Gundam.
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Moon is just an amazing song period.
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