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Old 2008-03-25, 11:57   Link #22561
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Regarding that Enforcer thing, I had always been inclined to believe that it's more of a 'solo officer in the field sent to take care of things within a defined region for a particular incident.' He would have powers that allow him to not be required to report up the chain of command, and execute acts by his own judgment, both, of course, up to a certain reasonable extent. In a way, I can call it a one-man Rapid Deployment Force, so that would minimise time wastage in handling issues. And as is the nature of such forces, there is the possibility that he might not be able to handle it alone, but at least he can stave off some of the urgency before all the red tape which binds proper mobilisation can be cut.

In this respect, Keroko's inquiry can be answered. As there are a wide variety of jobs that need to be accomplished due to the vast number of worlds, there would also be a need for various types of proficiencies that are required to be an Enforcer (singly, who would usually be equipped to deal with a certain type of crisis). As such, the job can therefore be open to members of all three services, in case they miss out on potential talent or something.

Going back to the Chrono example, he's probably like a jack of many trades, and probably a near-master of some. So it makes sense for him to be attached to a dimensional-ocean-faring fleet where all sorts of nonsense can happen. Since he is equipped to deal with most types of nonsense.

And sorry for the naziness, ark and thread: but it's actually shitsumukan「しつむかん」.
Basically, Enforcers are officers that have high skill and abilities to operate solo as a one-man force which can be called from all three corps?

'Cause if that's the case you just handed me a big problem concerning my character

Will tackle backlog later. I'm in the end of my lunch hour and have to run...
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Old 2008-03-25, 12:45   Link #22562
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Basically, Enforcers are officers that have high skill and abilities to operate solo as a one-man force which can be called from all three corps?

'Cause if that's the case you just handed me a big problem concerning my character

[I]Will tackle backlog later. I'm in the end of my lunch hour and have to run...
Lucky you, I ain't even got time to try breaking yet.

Anyway, this current Enforcer whatever doesn't seem to have hurt my idea of them as the secret polizei anyway...

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Old 2008-03-25, 14:32   Link #22563
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SANJOU!!!!!!!!

Who'd have thought that the very first appearance of the Belkas in a scenario would be in your story?

I'd pay to see that scene of Farukon's look of horror on his face as Hayate helps herself laughing
LOL :3 Well I'll try to write a picture of it in the next chapter :3

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Well, that's the thing with Syn. Like Vivio, her profile is still up in the air, because we know nothing of what Vivio's school years are like. This means that as long as there is development in the chapters leading up to them, a lot is possible for Syn.
Indeed...Indeed :3 Well so far, so good, wouldn't you agree? :3

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Heeeh? The Yellow Belka gets a daughter? Do write that scenario.
I too am looking forward to this :3

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... The Belkarangers... Hoooh boy, I sense many facepalms and snarky return comments aproaching from Syn's side.
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She and me both, sister. She and me both....
LOL well look forward to a lot of cheesy scenarios, and a whole load of Farukon wanting to crawl up into a corner and die, while Syn runs her mouth off at their...hotcheesim! XD

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Going through as I read it. This might sting a little.

*Comments snipped*
Thanks for the look over :3 I didn't proofread it, so I'm not surprised that there were glaring errors, although...I'll fix up on the comment about Tiana's CC-skills later :3 I haven't seen StrikerS for a while, so I might be utterly wrong with that comment :3

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Hahahaha, lol at the entrance of the BakaBelkarangers.
What do you expect? The Belkrangers were probably originally made for fun :3 Now they actually get included in a continuity! XD Even if it is only mine so far :3

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Sorry about that.. But other than those I couldn't see anything utterly disturbing with your piece.
Hey, no worries. You're just trying to help, and I appreciate it a lot :3

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Very nicely written chapter as usual . The guest instructors sure opens up a lot of possibilities of other OCs making cameos (or causing a lot of facepalming amongst Hammer members ). And BelkaRangers FTW!!!
LOL Yes indeed, Belkas for the win! XD

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Oh man...Syn's gonna be having some FUN on this mission
Oh boy is she ever

@Thread: To those who are actively reading my Riot Force 6, BELKARANGERS ARE HERE TO STAY!!! XD
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Old 2008-03-25, 16:28   Link #22564
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Basically, Enforcers are officers that have high skill and abilities to operate solo as a one-man force which can be called from all three corps?

'Cause if that's the case you just handed me a big problem concerning my character

Will tackle backlog later. I'm in the end of my lunch hour and have to run...
Wait, IS that what an Enforcer actually means?

Heh, Fuyu gets handed a big problem, but I get a big solution for mine. :3

Also, I got a real quick question. What does a "synthetic" mage rank mean, as opposed to a normal one?
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Old 2008-03-25, 16:36   Link #22565
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Also, I got a real quick question. What does a "synthetic" mage rank mean, as opposed to a normal one?
I believe it's given to Rein because she's not, well, human. Synthetic rank, as the name says, is given to those artificially created beings that are able to use magic. I'd assume Familiars and Unison Devices fall into this category. They probably gave them a separate ranking as they either rely on another to influence their magic potential (like Familiars) or are static (Unison Devices) unlike humans who can strive to grow and increase their magic potential, and thus rank.
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Oh, you didn't know? Yes I did, her ship was supposed to become the Normandy.

... Which probably explains why I came to the idea in the first place. Mass Effect crack was high back then.
I was ready for it and so managed to resist the impluse when I played it.

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'must only show up at the fringes of continuity'

....

*glances at their profiles*

Yeah... safe to say I've already gone and blew that rule since, uhm, forever. Why do you think the OC timeline is called kerokanon?
Yeah I'm not sure he's sure which OCs he's talking about here...

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All Lindy ever did was hop in and and throw down a Barrier. Hardly encouraging.
Pretty much.

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Wait, what? Why? We've got data-based lifeforms in canon, why are fungal based lifeforms banned?
Well those Data beings don't self replicate and become impossible to remove without bruning a planet down to the bed rock for one...

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No kidding, the novel blatantly changes events as they occured in the anime. Talk about a controdictionary source.
Well the Halo Novel added an entire sub-plot and juggled some aspects of the game and included stuff that's downright impossible in game and sometimes contradicted by later sources. (Master Chief carried three guns at one point for instance and flood infection is slow and one guy at least partially resists it.) It still had it's uses though and we didn't just toss the entire thing. It was the weakest of all the novels though admittedly... mostly because it tried to stay roughly to the coruse of the game.


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Ever since the introduction of Archerko, I've been expecting this one to come eventually.

Didn't expect you to genderbend the rest of the cast too, though.
yeah we have late night IRC chat to thank for that once it came up everyone started talking about how to gender bend the rest of the cast...

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*scractches head* Okay, maybe I was a bit unclear on my point.

Do I expect Hayate to defeat oponents in melee? No. Do I expect her to be able to handle herself in melee (which is pretty much inevitable in the Nanohaverse, as 80% of Nanohaverse combat is close-range)? Yes.
I don't feel it's at all inevitable if you fight smart and have Hayate monstrous power reveres to draw on. This could be our fundamental difference you feel it's inevitable it'll happen I disagree it's inevitable with the proper tactics and skills.

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Now, I agree that movement spells can be used to escape melee, and they should! Hayate should not stay in melee longer then absolutely neccissary. However, if someone gets the jump on Hayate, I do expect Hayate to be able to block the attack and create an opening to gain that distance.
The problem with this is that Hayate ought to be fighting at very long range so "getting the jump on her" is going to be tricky at best. Beyond that her skill set isn't suited to close fighting period so she has no sane reason to enter a confined area were ambush is possible without massive support anyway. (Just like you don't drive a tank into a city without infantry all around it).

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If Hayate lacks the skills to do even that, then specialization becomes a liabillity, as anyone can just take her out in a single strike. Without close-range training, Hayate will lack the experience and knowledge to react to them, leaving her extremely vulnerable.
Again you just assume that with proper skills and tactics someone is still bound to get close to her without her having a clue and bushwhack her. Again I disagree and beyond this if someone DID get close and ambush her these newly acquired lack luster melee skills are unlikely to help anyway if she's taken flat footed, and if she sees them coming she should just disengage rather then try and fight them anyway.

Basiclly if she sees them coming she just evades and if she doesn’t see them coming a pittance of close quarters spells is unlikely to save her from the ambush.


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Once again: I don't expect Hayate to wtfpwn everyone in melee (even though she has tasty melee spells such as Schwarze Wirkung, which I still find a shame to see put on the shelf) I expect her to be able to survive in melee.
The issue is that you seem to think that just a pittance of training is going to really help. I doubt it will myself if anything it could engender dangerous overconfidence. The skills needed for effective close range fighting and for long range boom and zoom nuking are entirely diffrent from those needed for close range fighting. Plus having almost no base to draw on for them it would be like trying to train a total noob it could take months years for her to grasp even enough to spar at a vuagely decent level and she'd still be pretty much helpless against a trained sowrdsmen.
(Put a guy that's been doing Jujitsu for 6 months into the ring with Royce Gracie and see how that goes maybe he last 30 seconds instead of 10...)

Learning a martial art is hard it takes allot of time and effort and having huge magic potential is only minimally helpful in this as weapons fighting is about skill, experience, and finesse more then brute power. Her huge magical potential could easily be plowed into learning new defensive powers like movement aids, trips, etc but that same huge magic potential is of little use in learning to fight at close range with a weapon. This is a important factor to consider Hayate has other things to be doing and could be forced to enter battle at any time so even if learning melee was “best” (debatable IMO) in theory in practice it might not be.

As noted Hayate has huge magical power she can spam massive spells for longer then pretty much anyone and she could easily plow that ability into becoming an extremely hard target to even vaguely pin down. Or she could try and learn melee fighting a difficult skill that requires huge outlays of time and that will for quite a while provide very mediocre returns and probably never get her to a level she can even vaguely fight melee specialists. All the while this intense training distracts her from practicing the above skills that could probably be learned and used quicker in actual combat.

Perhaps Hayate shouldn’t have focused so hard on nuking, but now that she HAS trying to reverse a decade of momentum isn’t going to happen overnight if it’s even really possible. Instead of trying to fight against the tide and teach her an entirely new and alien skill set time would be better used teaching her new skills that are more in her area of expertise (spell casting) to cover most of her weakness, provide her new options, and be available more quickly.


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To be able to block a blow and create an opening to escape. To be able to react to melee attacks. To be able to use her weapon, which is blatantly called 'sword cross' with at least some efficiency.
I'd point out that defensive fighting with weapons is acutally often harder then offense. First off it requires a healthy knowledge of what the enemy is likely to do in any given situation (which varies massively depending on weapon, his style, and other factors), intense drilling (this stuff happens so fast you can't really think about it you need muscle memory), and even still it's often hit or miss. (Nearly all styles emphasis aggression to keep the enemy off balance over defensive fighting which is often seen as a MISTAKE and a good way to lose). That said there is one thing that all such fighters agree can be used to counter superior skill in your opponent and is a highly effective defense: run away. Just giving ground and fleeing is a very common tactics in any serious fighting art.

Jokes aside basiclly melee fighting with weapons isn’t something you can half ass if you’re not fighting to attack and kill the enemy you really shouldn’t be doing it. It’s also often a game of mutual suicide as the fact is that two skill fighters can often kill each other despite said skill due to the close range, the lethality of the weapons, and the difficulty in blocking and parrying inherent in real world situations. The saying and its variations are so old it’s almost cliché, but it’s still true.

”If you’re going to get in a knife fight expect to get cut.”

The fact is that if you fight at close range with edge weapons even if you “win” you can expect to sustain injuries often fairly serious or even fatal. This is just an accepted fact even among experts never mind amateurs. This is why I want to avoid this all together given the skill level she could reasonably achieve even if she somehow “won” she’d probably end up injured and forced to withdraw to get medical aid.

All of this is why I’ve never favored melee or close range combat all that much it exposes you, almost always results in trading damage with the enemy, and since distance basically equals time everything happens faster and can go wrong much faster with little time to adapt. Range and speed can and normally do trump power and resilience. Even more so in the often idealized venue of air combat.

I'd also mention as an aside that sword cross is a terrible weapon to try and fight with anyway; it's probably only marignally better then a club. If she was serious about this she needs to ditch it for a specalist weapon.



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Even Nanoha, who specializes in range, and Yuuno, who specializes in support, are able to handle themselves in melee. Why is Hayate the only not allowed to do so?
The only way Nanoha or Yunno ever "handled" melee was rasing big ass force fields there enmies couldn't break easily. Nanoha didn't encouter Vita and turn RH into a spear and start trying to stab her or something. She used shields to tank hits and then blast her.

That I could see Hayate doing, but that's not "melee" IMO that's defensive magic and given you're take about "blocks" and "openings" and using her staff as a weapon that dosen't seem to be what you where thinking of either.


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Okay, I'll take your word for that. My army knowledge isn't exactly that high.
As I said it's vaguely taught, but I can only sort of recall a single instance during the war in Iraq. I seem to remember a story where a guy used a knife on the enemy, but in that case the target was already down and with multiple machine gun induced gunshot wounds, but was screaming for his friends in the house to come kill the American. (Whose gun was empty) so he wasn't exactly fighting back when the guy stabbed him like 10 times in the throat to finish him off.

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Though bombardement spells tend to have conciderable charge timers, to use them in melee is like asking to get killed. Hardly a propper comparison.
Depends on the situation if the guy is charging you but you have a few seconds he’s got limited options break off, try to tank it, try to dodge it. Any of them ruin the attack and if he blunders could end up with him dead. It’s not something you can spam at close range, but a few seconds still isn’t that long and it’s not impossible you could find an opening. More so if you refuse to give battle and just keep dancing away from him.


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That may be one of the reasons. Another could be that she is a tad too... perfect. It's much more fun to write with characters who have visible flaws.
She has flaws you could exploit she seems to have at least a bit of insecurity for example and I've always contended the mother to Vivio angle could be exploited for DRAMA(!) (though I'm not much of a fan of Kags take on it). That said yeah she's not a walking illustration of half the pathos in the DSM unlike some protagonists but as I've said that's one of the things I like about her.


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14k words? Nice, can we expect to see it soon?
Sometime today hopefully after I get home from class around 9PM and give it a final once over to make sure I didn't leave any sections out (or in I added adn deleted scenes a number of times).


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Which makes no sense to me.
As noted the main thing was that there reproduction methods mean that once introduced there basiclly impossible to stop and will just keep expanding. They aren't quite "Flood" bad, but they're close.


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I'd like to believe we are all a bit more mature then that.
Some of us probably are others... *eyes some people but names no names* maybe not so much.
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Actually, its the reverse. That's one of the things that pissed of Regius, remember? 'The Navy steals all the high-ranked mages' and all that. It's the main reason for the bad blood between the Ground Forces and the Navy.
I’ve addressed this before the Navy probably dose take high ranking mages… but not to put them in chairs on warships. They most likely do it for something like a TSAB NAVSPEC Warfare unit; the air force also probably takes most of what’s left and often works with the navy. The GFs probably see them as largely being in cohorts to screw them. Plus the navy is always out and about doing stuff while most GF units probably just sit in garrison doing little but routine order maintenance there entire careers.

I never really bought this was the only or even main reason for the fued as it's so damn weak, Budget battles, jeaouly over the presitage the navy and Air Force got from high profile operations, and often being pushed around somewhat by these perhaps more senior services have always been what I felt were the true reasons behind the fued with the mage issue being merely one aspect of it.


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... The Belkarangers... Hoooh boy, I sense many facepalms and snarky return comments aproaching from Syn's side.
I'm not sure how any other reaction is possible from a rational thinking person.


[quote=arkhangelsk;1484596]Yes and no. A difference here is reaction time and initiative.[quote]
Nonsense reaction time is a massive factor in both but on the hole humans all tend to be similar in it so it balances out, initiative is important too but speed is what allows you GAIN initiative to start with so this hardly an effective counter argument.


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A fighter jet tends to allow seconds for reaction and both sides are usually not highly different in energy.
This depends entirely on the aircraft involed, but acutally it's almost never the ase that the aircraft DON'T have signifcant and exploit diffrences.
Even with a fighter, there will be geometries (especially in close, and Nanoha combat is basically in close by modern fighter standards) where all an extend would do is allow the enemy to get unanswered shots on your tail.


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A fight, however, may not have that luxury, especially since Hayate starts from a standing start in her bombardment position.
Only if she so choses and we assume that the target has somehow just randomly appears at point blank range with no warning or chance for her to better her starting postion to call this stupid and unlikely would be putting it kindly.

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And while speed might somehow be produced, if Hayate had agility, she might not have sucked so much in melee (and note that the manga actually refers to individual fighting, which includes but is not restricted to melee).
Speed would be produced by the fact that mages all have the ability to produce thrust on demand in almost any direction. Agility isn't even that vital if she can just be faster then the enemy or even close it's would be extremely hard for anyone to force her into a battle she didn't want again just like a fighter. An F-15 could turn rings around a Foxbat, but if said Foxbat decides he doesn’t feel like playing, points his exhausts at his enemy, and lights his burner the fights over and the F-15 can't do shit about it superior agility or not.

You're own insistence on short combat ranges helps this as by your estimates she'd only need to gain a very short amount of distance to be almost totally safe from the vast majority of attacks.


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Overall, it is almost unimaginable what Hayate's problems must be to get her to lose to Caro. It must be a huge part of the scope...
I tend to think the Caro bit might be an outlier or that people are jumping to some unwarrented consulsion. I myself doubt it's that Caro is going to beat her in a fist fight (though she's clearly weak in melee to be sure) or something so much as the fact that Caro can summon a huge ass Dragon to beat her in a fist fight for her.


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We won't know. Lindy went out the first time, and not the second time (but she had to fire Arcenciel that time, too). It seems like Commanders are indeed not supposed to go out for small things, but it seems akin to a Captain not bothering his OOD in simple sailing conditions.
Hayate wasn't exactly rushing off to combat either I'd say it's pretty fucking clear that the TSAB considers the job of a commander to be to command not to run out and bust heads. Which is how it SHOULD be, but it makes placing high level mages in thsoe billets stupid to say the least.


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Technical crew? Sure (and why would they when the TSAB is going to let them become an officer anyway). Captains or any other command position (since the "chair" on a cruiser can just as easily be the chair in some land HQ)? Do that and you are putting a glass ceiling against elite mages (it is highly doubtful they can make the higher ranks without serving a term as Vessel Commander).
Only if we asume that the TSAB promotion system must work like a modern miltary one hardly a given. It could be as simple as creating a another pipeline for mages that gives them increasing pay and benifts without putting them in postions where there skills are utterly wasted.

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Call it the "good of the Sailing Force" or "efficiency" or whatever, but most people like to think their organization treats them fairly.
Diffrecnes in skills and talents are a fact of life and the fact that most orgnazation can even vaugely treat people "fairly" is divreived from the fact that most people are frankly pretty smlair in cacpablites to start with.

That said when diffrecnes due exist they must to be considered. You might be able to hire a mentally ill or retarded person to work the counter at a fast food place, but he couldn't be the manager for instacne. Maybe you could work as a assitent in a laboratoy, but you'll never run it if you don't have a degree. At the same time no on in there right mind would hire a guy with a BA in bussiness and 10 years experience and have him wait tables!


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Do something like this and you are asking them to transfer to civilian employment, where they are in great demand.
Are they really? How many civilian jobs can you think of where someone that can shot fireballs would be advantgous? Seriously IMO in the case of allot of mages the TSAB is one of the few places there skills can really get them ahead about the only other area is maybe private secuitry, but I'm sure there are WAY more applicants then jobs in that area.

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Even if they stay, they will quit putting their best once the ceiling comes into sight - they know you are not gonna fire them because half their best is still worth more than ten other's "best". Some "effective utilization!"
It really is since they'll still do more good giving 50% on the field then 100% behind a desk. And if it's just about money or the like then pay them more is that so complex? Prestige they already have anyway everyone in the TSAB clearly gives high level mages respect beyond what there rank would dictate.

It's not like I'm advocating working them twice as hard for half the pay or something. I'm saying use them where the help most and compensate them accordingly.


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Skills have nothing to do with running a battleship? What about the fact that an elite mage is likely to be, on average:
1) More experienced - since they'll take a disproportionate amount of tough jobs.
None of that experience is really useful in running a ship a army General couldn't just transfer over and run a carrier battle group. Hell they wouldn't even have a clue about the culture since this varies greatly between services.


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2) More intelligent + better knowledge - an AAA mage is supposed to have a "Master's knowledge" of magic.
Again a knowledge that's useless to running a ship.

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3) Better character - from the Experience and also from day to day self-control of their own immense power.
About the only real upside that said you also run across plenty of guys that get power and then act like douches with it so this is hardly a given.

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4) Be more respected: Comes from 1-3, especially from accomplishments which make up 1.
Debatable even if they respect what they've done in other areas trusting someone with little practical experience to run a warship effectively and fairly is something else all together. It goes back the general example if he's a decorated war hero the crew might respect him as a person, but that won't automatically transfer to respecting his orders or authority if he has no experience in this area and it will result in much harsher and quicker backlash if he makes any mistakes.

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What they will lack is a shipboard specialization. But a Captain is by nature a generalist - any specialist past he has is long behind him and he could at most have been a specialist in one field anyway. Given this, the lack of a specialization is unlikely to offset all the trait advantages above.
This horseshit a captains specialization is being a generalist with a huge body of knowledge about the working of a naval vessel gained over decades of experience aboard them. Something no ammount of flying around blasting bad guys will provide a mage. Again by this moronic logic we could pluck a decorated Infnatry Colonel out Iraq give him command of a Guided Missile Destoryer and it would work great.

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In disallowing elite mages, you are also stripping your Vessel Commander cadres of some of the brightest, most experienced (what passes for them in the TSAB anyway) officers. Is that what the Sailing Force wants?
What the sailing force wants isn't guys that can spam beams at criminals. It's guys that have lived on ships all there adult lives how know they work, know the culture, and knows what expected of them. What it doesn’t want or need are hot shot high powered assholes whose only qualifications is being able to fly fast and shot stuff good.

Disallowing almost assuredly unqualified mages from taking positions that should by all sane reasoning take decades of experience in a set pipeline to gain is hardly getting rid of the best and brightest. It's probably mostly keeping out career orientated glory hounds with a tenuous knowledge of the job.


You can also flip all this nonsense on it's head with the simple question of what is this ludicrously preferential treatment of high level mages telling the NORMAL troops (that still make up the vast majority of the force)? Work hard, stay on the straight and narrow, and someday you can be passed over a position you richly deserve so we can place a powerful novice in your place?


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The three hours is from Chrono's fleet time from sortie to Earth. The ~1 hour timeframe for 97-HQ travel is based on events in A's. See how fast they evaced Nanoha to TSAB HQ's hospitals, or how Chrono can arrest our familiars on Earth, bring them to TSAB HQ for interrogation and run back. Even an hour is probably pessimistic.
As someone mentioned... Chrono can also teleport.


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They might not always go back, but it seems like all of known TSAB space is compressed to such an extent that it is never hard to find a place where you can just skip back to HQ (or Mid) for a bit.
Given that your one example was a guy that can teleport moving around fast and one planet whose relative proximity to one other point in space we have no clue about I think that's a bit of a leap.


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Obviously, the ship is highly automated, so it can run by itself for routine ops
Or as in many other things the producers where clueless as to what it takes to run a warship. At the very least you need three full bridge crews unless you expect the ship to totally run itself 16 hours a day which then calls into question what the crew is for at all.


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Besides, a small crew actually does give support to the theory that the ships have limited autonomies and often go back.
As Jimmy_C as already noted I’d argue the reverse with a small crew and given that these vessel seem AT LEAST aircraft carrier size the crew probably get individual cabins, good recreation facilities, and stores are much less of a problem. They’d have LESS reason to return port on a regular basis then if they had a large crew as the trips would be more comfortable and the ship more sustainable… they’d still be boring as fuck though.


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It was, on the other hand, the most important thing, and something that her son and Nanoha could not do.
Which is probably the only way she was able to justfiy it notice that despite what she might want in A's lacking such an excuse she hung back.


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3 hours = draw from StrikerS deployment to Mid.
1 hour = draw from events in Nanoha A.
You still haven't shown me where this evidecne those ships came straight from HQ is coming from and we've arleady blasted a gaint hole in the entire A example.


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I think Tk wants his elite mages to be Executive Officers (not Enforcers, we've made a mistake in creating a whole culture based on an incorrect Triad translation). The problem is that this causes a rank/capability inversion, which is generally not a good idea in command and control.
What I want is my elite mages to do stuff that only elite mages can do like fight cosmic terrors and such; not warm the chair on a warship or in an office.

Give them a high rank if you want, but don’t use them for shit that a normal human could easily do just as well. (Like commanding or crewing a warship) Given that S ranks are at least somewhat rare having one sitting around on the bridge of a warship during huge world threatening crisis due to regulations hardly seems like an effective use of resources… Maybe based solely on Nanoha and A's you could have defended it based on lack of info and just assumed that Lindy wasn’t that special, but given what we know now it makes no damn sense.

Anyway to avoid a bunch of quotes about the Enforcer issue my thoughts are as follows.

First off these guy aren’t really doing things you normally associate with just a 2IC or something Fate was running around chasing criminals and appeared mainly to be doing high profile investigative work; often alone. This makes little sense if an “enforcer” is just some kind of glorified second in command. Translation goof or not IMO the show itself still supports Fate belonging to some sort of group that’s at least somewhat outside the normal TSAB military Triad.

Further still if that’s the case, and it is IMO, then these guys are still going to have to be organized and controlled which implies a controlling agency and thus a culture of some sort. Besides as I recall some sort of “Intelligence Branch” is canon and they aren’t seen on the Triad at all. In any case too many people in WAY to many fics and characters have referenced “Enforcers” to retcon it IMO (never mind that the “real” translation sucks).

While I myself might incorporate some of this “new” information I’m not going to bust my ass to adhere to a tiny aspect of canon bureaucracy in a story that’s already non-canon and mildly AU. Like Humbug for me Enforcers are “solo” operators, but only in the same sense as there be only being one “Sheriff” in a county. An Enforcer is appointed and is the only one to hold that title in a group, but he can have a staff (possibly a rather large one) that aids him. (Fate only seemed to have one glorified secretary, but Fate was also freakishly strong most probably have at least a small team to aid them). As Humbug said they do allot of stuff, but since there ability to cut red tape and deploy quickly is most important in combat and law enforcement tasks most of them tend to be focused on that.

Another note/question I always got the impression that individual planets ground forces where pretty independent of each other so Regis was in charge of Mid’s GF, obviously a prestigious position, but not every GF in the TSAB. That is correct yes?
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I believe it's given to Rein because she's not, well, human. Synthetic rank, as the name says, is given to those artificially created beings that are able to use magic. I'd assume Familiars and Unison Devices fall into this category. They probably gave them a separate ranking as they either rely on another to influence their magic potential (like Familiars) or are static (Unison Devices) unlike humans who can strive to grow and increase their magic potential, and thus rank.
Nope. Synthetic means she is an all-rounder. Hayate is also Synthetic.
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SURPRISE PROFILE POSTO!!!!!!!!!

Now for something the IRC guys know, and now posting the first part now:

Spoiler for The Shattered Girl:
SOMA!!!

Though her current state is rather ing. Not to mention mindboggling.

Hooray for Mayura. :3
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And now presenting, CHAPTER 5!

Spoiler for MGLN Riot Force 6:
...more training.

Everyone's growing well, at least we know we're gonna have a mission scenario next. Rue has turned out completely different from my expectations, but no matter. At least we won't be confusing Sophia and Rue. :3

And SUPAA SENTAI TAMASHII debut FTW.
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Up till they are fifteen? Ouch, that means Madness is quite a bit harder to achieve (Madness raises all stats at the cost of sanity, it's normally the Berserker class skill. It'd be quite hard for Kha to 'score points' when Keroko is hell bent on killing him methinks. ) But Knowledge of Foremost Harmony would offset the disadvantage of losing Madness as an easy-access skill.

Far worse is that it makes the 'tick of Keroko and survive beatings' a whole lot more improbable, as Keroko has spend a good 8 years with Nanoha and is pretty much calm now, Neltharion's essence sealed away further reducing her outbursts of anger.
...er... No Sousuke/Chidori mechanic?

And that timeline is where the Tentacle joke supposed to reside!!! Uuuh... How now...

*thinks hard*

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Wait, what? Why? We've got data-based lifeforms in canon, why are fungal based lifeforms banned?
I'm not quite sure why either, but it stems from me not understanding a bit of the WAAAAAGH to even bring them logically into the Nanohaverse.

But the Orcs of Durotar, now those make sense and epic badass. :3

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Ever since the introduction of Archerko, I've been expecting this one to come eventually.

Didn't expect you to genderbend the rest of the cast too, though.
It's like in the GB Haruhi thread; bend one, bend all. =3

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Kha ~It which won't die even if after it is killed~
......

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-_-...

I wonder who'll you pull into your epic Khrack next.
...Keroko.

*runs*

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-_-; ....

DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

Something feels off in that, really.
Same here.

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Graham?

But Graham wasn't really... must've misread something here.
I remember that line from Triad's translation of A's.

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Kha without KHRACK? Does not compute, but a Rebuilt doesn't need Khrack after all.

Though I cringe at the thousands of words lost in translation...
...huh? Is it because I'm depending on the subs? I'm using Yesy DVD rips as a basis for Rebuilt, I wonder if that's trouble?

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Bang.

Goodbye, Space Khaboy.
"How do you like living in that world? I know I don't."

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And Kha shows us why his Khrack is unbeatable.
...

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YOSH!!!! SURPRISE POSTO PART TWO!!!!

For the second part of Epsila Synaisthima's profile:

Spoiler for The Once Shattered Girl:
Yeap mindboggling as always. Poor Eppy.

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Meh, I'm unphased by the gender bend. In fact, go with the Gender bend of Nanoha and Fate, get someone to draw it up and present it to the Image thread.
XD XD XD
We've got Nanoha-kun and Kha-chan up and running (), all we need are the others...

...Subaru genderbent wouldn't be an original chara anymore...

...And now remember that scene of Nanoha on the bed and Fate undressing...?

...now imagine Nanoha-kun and Feito-kun...

*RUNS FROM EXPLODING BRAINS*

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Pic Looks like Gimmy.. With different Hair colour.. Maybe it's just me (Wait, Gimmy was the girl right? right?)
Gimmy: AHOU!!!

*slaps Liingo with a trout*

Gimmy is the guy, Darry was the girl! :/

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In all honesty, StrikerS partially fueled the thought by giving Fate a black uniform, which is different from the others and is, if I recall, unique. The only other jitsumukan we could compare with was Chrono, but by the time we saw him in something different then his Barrier Jacket or casual clothing, he was a Navy Admiral.

Which raises another question:



The TSAB crest has three collors, black, blue and brown. According to the emblems they should represent Navy, Ground and Air forces. Navy and Ground have their uniforms according to the emblem, yet Air Force mages wear white uniforms (judging by Nanoha and Tiida Lanster)

What do the black uniforms belong to?
To be honest, by comparing the individual insignias to the GAS and Air Force Agressors, the botton third represents Ground Force, the Upper Right Third represents Navy, and Upper Left Third is the Air Force...

...and that is black.

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Still need to get the backstory correct, but it'll be a technologically backward race that uses steampunk and magic in the traditional sense and not the Nanohaverse magiengineering we see.
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You like us! You really still like (and can stand) us!!
LOL He's been here since forever. =3

And I hope your not too attached to many of your OCs and Erio, Caro and Lutecia... Kagerou and I have... [Plans]...

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...more training.

Everyone's growing well, at least we know we're gonna have a mission scenario next. Rue has turned out completely different from my expectations, but no matter. At least we won't be confusing Sophia and Rue. :3

And SUPAA SENTAI TAMASHII debut FTW.
LOL of course she's different. Rue's a leader :3

And yes, the Belkarangers have come, and they are here to stay :3
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On the subject of patrols:

I would like to point out that the Royal Malaysian Navy, a brown-water navy consisting almost entirely of patrol boats, fast-attack gunboats and missile boats, 2 British-designed-and-built modern frigates, and 6 UNARMED patrol boats (the first of which costs AS MUCH AS A FULL-SPEC FLIGHT IIA ARLEIGH-BURKE Aegis guided missile destroyer) maintains SEVERAL WEEK PATROLS. All our ships can be back at their homeports in a few hours, but they all spend several weeks a month on patrol. Brown water navy.

TSAB is the intergalactic equivalent of a Blue Water Navy.

Regarding the Enforcers: I don't buy the whole XO part. Yes, Chrono was essentially Lindy's XO on the Athra - but consider the uniform and such. IT's like, say, a Navy officer who's specialty/MOS is engineering but who is the XO.

As for ships, in all cases ship captains are expected to work their way up through the surface warfare community. The only cross-MOS assignments to ship captain are carrier captains in the US Navy, who by law and navy regulations, MUST be former naval aviators (pilots), as the carrier's function is deployment of the air wing. Even then, carrier captains will go through a long cram school before getting their command, and they'll still have an experienced XO to assist and guide them.

Someone also mentioned the Enforcers running around like judges in western movies - I was thinking more like US Marshalls or Texas Rangers.

Also, ark, you must have missed the footnotes: the bulk of the Erusia invasion force were GF, not Enforcers. Joint GF/Enforcer/Gardai units did exist during the war, with GF providing magical muscle, Enforcers teaching & enhancing investigation skills, and the Gardai being cannon fodder - aka teh MITTs in Iraq.
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Okay this is like Xbox HUGE (Ended up at 15,800 words) and though I've read it over a few times, I still might be missing stuff so feel free to point out anything that seems weird. I'm pretty happy with it overall though I think the fight scene might be a tad dry, but I wasn't getting much mojo going for it and basiclly just had to force it out to finish the piece so yeah I won't take any offense if you find it lacking.

I haven't used this in a while but I think it's called for...


Anyway without Further adieu my latest fic! Which still has no name... We've been over this I suck at names lets move on...

Spoiler for SIZE:

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Part 2:
Spoiler for EVEN MORE SIZE:

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Spoiler for Part 3 YES THREE:

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Big, fat and greasy. Just the way I like it. Awesome work, TK, looking forward to make more of this mess.

...and you might want to call it Call of Duty.
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Yup, big, fat, long and greasy makes for good reading. Felix and Vita had me smiling and laughing throughout with their antics. Good choice of select scenes to show their relationship. Wondering how this will go, smells big enough for a small story on the side. Call of Duty is seconded, might as well name it after something you like.

Got couple questions after reading but mostly for interest's sake so I'll leave it until the subject is brought up in the future, if ever. For confirmation's sake, was the chase scene on Mid itself or some other planet? Didn't quite get it in the story, with the reference that it happened at a 'backwater' area.
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Kha-chan does not reply. She is dreamily watching F4 performing Meteor Shower on stage.

(So did I... )
So.. Genderbent Aces gonna be performing pop songs now?

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Heeeh? The Yellow Belka gets a daughter? Do write that scenario.
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... The Belkarangers... Hoooh boy, I sense many facepalms and snarky return comments aproaching from Syn's side.
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Pic Looks like Gimmy.. With different Hair colour.. Maybe it's just me (Wait, Gimmy was the girl right? right?)

Her background looks good though
Darry is the girl

Though no, I already have another character using Darry's template remember? I'm using Soma Peries from Gundam 00 as her appearance template here

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Well, that was a nice 2-week break.

Knowing myself, I usually get burned out after doing anything for too long. Be it playing a game, reading, or even watching anime. So I usually have to change hobbies every once in a while. Lately, I've been doing a lot of gaming - I dont think I've watched any anime after rewatching Gurren Lagann with a few friends a few weeks ago.

Maybe I was getting burned out of the OC too... losing interest in discussing stuff over the internet was perhaps the leading factor, since at the same time I lost interest in reading what was being said... but the fact that I have not stopped dreaming about new additions to this world, and more importantly, the fact that I'm here again proves that I am still not burned out. Perhaps I just needed a small break.

Anyway, that was just a bit about the reason why I've been very inactive lately, not to mention that I went to the beach again for easter weekend.

So, what's new people?
Guess who's back Thought you were dead

Asides from completing the Belkaranger's profiles and another new OC, nothing on my side. You should probably join us in the OuterCadia IRC channel, link on the first page. Everyone misses you

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Yay! New character!

Man, Lowe. You and your characters with multiple forms
It's strange, but ever since Julie I found out I like making characters with strange conditions

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>.>
<.<

*sneaks in*

*starts scribbling*

Spoiler:

*sneaks out*
I had a feeling you were gonna appear, and glad you did. Adding fixes

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What do you expect? The Belkrangers were probably originally made for fun :3 Now they actually get included in a continuity! XD Even if it is only mine so far :3


Actually, I had planned on including them on the NBC continuity ever since I first envisioned them. Though having them crossover into your continuity was WIN

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SOMA!!!

Though her current state is rather ing. Not to mention mindboggling.
It's supposed to be

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Okay this is like Xbox HUGE (Ended up at 15,800 words) and though I've read it over a few times, I still might be missing stuff so feel free to point out anything that seems weird. I'm pretty happy with it overall though I think the fight scene might be a tad dry, but I wasn't getting much mojo going for it and basiclly just had to force it out to finish the piece so yeah I won't take any offense if you find it lacking.

Anyway without Further adieu my latest fic! Which still has no name... We've been over this I suck at names lets move on...
Despite the most kickass pursuit action (fanboy kid included ), I gotta say the most awesome part of this story has to be Vita x Felix. I cannot for the life of me understand how you can pack so many and so memorable Vita and Felix moments in this single chapter and make them all AWESOME, but that's right, I'm officially supporting this most snarky, witty and dysfunctional of pairings

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Big, fat and greasy. Just the way I like it. Awesome work, TK, looking forward to make more of this mess.

...and you might want to call it Call of Duty.
Sounds like a Hamburger

And nice title suggestion
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WHat's this? 3 votes for Call of Duty?




And...

...

Liingo ordered this second strike...

<.<

*drops the bomb and runs like Hell*





STARS-01
Genderbent of Nanoha



White Devil Never Looked This Cool.

Spoiler for Captain Nanoha Takamachi:
...
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Regarding the "shitsumukan「しつむかん」" thing. There is evidence that, even though the term "Executive Officer" is used in english, it doesn't mean 2IC like we think it does.
In StrikerS ep14, when Hayate asks Tiana if she would like to go to HQ with her, she says Chrono is an Admiral with shitsumukan qualifications. Why would that be of any significance if the term merely meant being a 2IC?
Therefore, the term has to mean more than just being the second-in-command of a vessel. Even if the shitsumukan in question happens to be the No. 2 of the ship at the time.
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A preview of Scene 3. Posted because of implications...

Spoiler for Yuunoko in the making?:
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Basically, Enforcers are officers that have high skill and abilities to operate solo as a one-man force which can be called from all three corps?

'Cause if that's the case you just handed me a big problem concerning my character

Will tackle backlog later. I'm in the end of my lunch hour and have to run...
Well, I'm not saying that it's canon, but that's how I see it.

Acquired the view via the StardustMemory serious!trailer done by the nano author.

And @Jimmy C: I don't know how it led to people thinking it as the common notion of XO in today's maritime world. How it reads (in Mandarin as well) shaped how I see it, and that has no way in terms of relation to that XO thing too.

I presume that far back, in the days of when the first three series were running, the person who actually coined the term probably had a far more literal interpretation of 'Executive' IMHO, i.e. in the word 'Executory'.

@Kagerou: You win for that scenario.
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