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Old 2008-04-09, 14:53   Link #1
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Character Discussion - Kallen

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Old 2008-04-09, 16:45   Link #2
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Few questions raised about Kallen from the first episode of R2.

1) Isn't she half Birtannian? Does that no longer count for anything? I highly doubt they found out she was part of the black knights or her punishment would be a lot worse.

2) Now she knows that Loluch is zero, and he was simply using him for his own gain, why is she still supporting him? Did she fall in love? is she willing to be used in order to win, knowing without him they have no chance? Has she told anyone else?

It'll be interesting to see how they develop her, and where her loyalties lie after the events of ep 26 of R1
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Old 2008-04-09, 16:50   Link #3
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For #2 she might like him (and I'm sure she will end up liking him sooner than later) but she must have realized during that one year gap that she and the Black Knights were nothing without Lelouch/Zero. Also it would've been a massive shock at the time but after one year she can reflect upon it and realize it doesn't matter if he is a Britannian.
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Old 2008-04-09, 16:55   Link #4
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1. yes she is a half Britannian, her father was a wealthy bussiness man even..
but her status is meaningless, she had to keep upt hat she was a full blooded Britannian to recieve the threatment in society, im nto sure what had happened to her father.. whether or not he was just never there or if her mother divorced from him...
if she was a halfblood her fate would be the same otherwise it wouldnt be needed to keep that a secret and otherwise she would be threated even worse ebcause she would be a traitor to the Britannian Empire
wheter or not she was truely caught remains unknown, because she was working undercover int he Babel Tower to secure Lelouch


i guess she sticks with him because she knows that he is their only hope, Zero had shown her and others that it is do able and they only managed it with his help..
now with Zero gone things would remain this way and she wants change even now..
i guess she got over her shock that Zero is Lelouch and realised that it makes no difference, she accepted the truth that it was him that they needed and that no one else can finish the job.. however i think her heart was shattered when she found out that Lelouch was Zero because it was Zero she felt for and not Lelouch..
as for telling.. there are some who know but it doesnt have to be Kallen to have told people that, i am certain she wouldve kept her mouth shut
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Old 2008-04-09, 17:29   Link #5
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Karen was born into the Stadtfeld family a wealthy and quite known family from what Rivalz said. I think her father managed to hide her "Eleven" descent.
There isn't much information about her we've never seen her father.
Karen admires and respects Zero for his deeds making the impossible possible
and also Zero did allow her to back out of the order if she wanted to when she was confused about her actions bringing the death of Shirley's father I think she appreciated his gentleness when he offered her an exit door
As for her feelings it's quite hard to know if she sees Lelouch in a romantic light
she did make a promise with her mother though to change the world so she might accept Lelouch's "manipulation"

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Old 2008-04-09, 17:36   Link #6
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Few questions raised about Kallen from the first episode of R2.

1) Isn't she half Birtannian? Does that no longer count for anything? I highly doubt they found out she was part of the black knights or her punishment would be a lot worse.

2) Now she knows that Loluch is zero, and he was simply using him for his own gain, why is she still supporting him? Did she fall in love? is she willing to be used in order to win, knowing without him they have no chance? Has she told anyone else?

It'll be interesting to see how they develop her, and where her loyalties lie after the events of ep 26 of R1
1) As you may have noticed by Diethard's wanted poster, even being a full blooded Britannian (whatever that means >_>) doesn't mean anything if you're a rebel.

2) No he wasn't using her for his own gain, that was just a lie to make Kallen blame everything that had happened on him and not put any responsibility on herself. (Lelouch does the exact same thing with Shirley in 14 and Euphie in 8)

But of course once she thinks about it (and a year is plenty of time to think ), she'll realize that Lelouch was fighting for the exact same reasons as she was, against the exact same enemy, and putting himself in as much danger if not more than he ever put anyone else in the Order in.
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Old 2008-04-09, 18:38   Link #7
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I won't be doing a write up of Kallen or Suzaku's character until after Sunday's episode airs. As both have more than likely had great changes in their character over the season break in regard to those around them specifically Lelouch though others as well, while Lelouch and C.C. are still well...Lelouch and C.C.
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Old 2008-04-09, 19:00   Link #8
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I won't be doing a write up of Kallen or Suzaku's character until after Sunday's episode airs. As both have more than likely had great changes in their character over the season break in regard to those around them specifically Lelouch though others as well, while Lelouch and C.C. are still well...Lelouch and C.C.
Well, I'd say Kallen's still Kallen, just not a hopeless fangirl like she was for most of the second fourth of the show. >_> Just look at her from episodes 1 to 13, or any of the times she's hanging around school past there, (21's probably a good example, minus the Zero worship. ) That should probably cover it.
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Old 2008-04-09, 19:04   Link #9
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I need to see more of this season to judge why Karen and the other Black Knights still trust Lelouch.
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Old 2008-04-09, 19:16   Link #10
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The reason is quite simple: You don't choose your savior. He is all they have and they sure as hell aren't going to leave him be when he got results.
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Old 2008-04-09, 19:19   Link #11
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its love. love conquers ALL!

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its love. love conquers ALL!

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Haha. You and me hope.
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Old 2008-04-09, 19:24   Link #13
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Oh, please. I doubt that has anything to do with why she is fighting with him again. Something like that would come later.

And with a show like this, love does not conquer all.
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As you may have noticed by Diethard's wanted poster, even being a full blooded Britannian (whatever that means >_>) doesn't mean anything if you're a rebel.
True, but i doubt she was caught. If she was, they did a sloppy job of securing her as she still had the keys to the Guren Nishiki between her breast.
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She was away from the battle and Suzaku was busy with Lelouch. Who was going to detain her?
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Obviously they trust each other. I can already see a later episode where they talk privately about issues and Zero clarifies some stuff with her. She seems to have gotten over the fact that Zero is Lelouch and still supports him. She liked him before knowing his identity and could possibly like him more knowing that he's a classmate and such. I really don't see how Karen could hate lelouch other than the fact that he is of royal decent. Other than that, Lelouch did nothing to her life but help her in her goals.
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Old 2008-04-09, 19:53   Link #17
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I wouldn't go that far. She didn't trust him anymore by the end of 25 and Lelouch only trusted her as a comrade in battle. And Kallen didn't really like Lelouch all that much when they were at school though since she seems to understand his views than I guess things could change.
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Obviously they trust each other. I can already see a later episode where they talk privately about issues and Zero clarifies some stuff with her. She seems to have gotten over the fact that Zero is Lelouch and still supports him. She liked him before knowing his identity and could possibly like him more knowing that he's a classmate and such. I really don't see how Karen could hate lelouch other than the fact that he is of royal decent. Other than that, Lelouch did nothing to her life but help her in her goals.
Well... let's just hope she never finds out about the boat incident
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That was already brought up by Diethard. I doubt she'd care about something like that at this point. The Euphemia massacre seems like a lot more of an issue.
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That was already brought up by Diethard. I doubt she'd care about something like that at this point. The Euphemia massacre seems like a lot more of an issue.
Yeah I was going to bring them both up, but the massacre was accidental whereas blowing up the ships was on purpose.
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