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Old 2008-04-12, 22:40   Link #101
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Its not that Lelouch doesn't want to free japan. We can see by his actions he does sympathize towards them(recall he saved the vendor from being beaten). He just is willing to sacrifice everything for his goal. While She may no longer feel romanced by his "selfless" goal, she does realize he is the key to victory.
Of course, some might say by having Zero/Lelouch brought down from an untouchable idol to someone real and seemingly more human Kallen might be more able to get 'closer' to Lelouch.
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Old 2008-04-12, 22:45   Link #102
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That was pretty much the only way the pairing had a chance of happening.
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Old 2008-04-13, 03:02   Link #103
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It's not desperation at all, it's just who Kallen is. She wants freedom for Japan but she hates that she has to kill for it.

It's just like her apologizing to Jeremiah right before she fries him in episode 10 or questioning Lelouch if what they're doing can really change things in 13, to give a few examples.
Hmm, I'm not sure about that, if it's sunrise op it's probably an indication of things to come. we'll see ^^;
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Old 2008-04-13, 03:20   Link #104
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That was pretty much the only way the pairing had a chance of happening.
i agree.

zero & kallen had no chance.

But Lulou & kallen has better prospects.

which is why the loli wouldn't of work, since she wanted to be Zero's Wife.

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Old 2008-04-13, 03:21   Link #105
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Well, at the moment it actually has very little.
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Old 2008-04-13, 03:22   Link #106
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yeah, that loli's got nothing on kallen.
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Old 2008-04-13, 03:23   Link #107
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What? What does that have to do with anything?
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Old 2008-04-13, 03:24   Link #108
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has everything to do with it. love rivals comrade, love rival for Lulou.

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Old 2008-04-13, 03:26   Link #109
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More a joke than anything else. Kaguya isn't ending up with him so there really isn't a point to discussing such a thing.
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Old 2008-04-13, 03:29   Link #110
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More a joke than anything else. Kaguya isn't ending up with him so there really isn't a point to discussing such a thing.
ah, ye of no faith. beware dismissing things without adequate information.
Assumptions only makes an Ass out of U and........erm......mp..tion....

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Old 2008-04-13, 03:34   Link #111
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If you can provide any evidence that would ever make Kaguya a likely candidate, you tell me.
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Old 2008-04-13, 07:16   Link #112
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If you can provide any evidence that would ever make Kaguya a likely candidate, you tell me.
sure thing. i'll tell you after i've watched up to turn 25

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Old 2008-04-13, 07:54   Link #113
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Yeah, so turns out Kallen was freaking out back in the cave because she thought that Lelouch might have geassed her into being a complete Zero fangirl. >_> (Damnit entire cast, stop blaming your own character faults and whatnot on Lelouch! >_<)

The memory gap from 3 was so inane to her she hadn't even realized Lelouch used it on her already even after a whole year to think about it. (unless she hadn't realized from the cave he couldn't use it more than once. >_>) But of course, Lelouch being Lelouch, who's always valued his subordinates free will, he quickly put that fear of hers to rest.
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Old 2008-04-13, 09:08   Link #114
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sure thing. i'll tell you after i've watched up to turn 25

You have one quick scene that is immediately discounted by Lelouch.


And yes, it seems she will be trusting Lelouch a whole lot more now. This could likely lead to a pairing and some aspects of that scene simply scream that it is going to happen. As long as she doesn't start acting like a fangirl in any way.
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Old 2008-04-13, 09:13   Link #115
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Yeah, so turns out Kallen was freaking out back in the cave because she thought that Lelouch might have geassed her into being a complete Zero fangirl. >_> (Damnit entire cast, stop blaming your own character faults and whatnot on Lelouch! >_<)

The memory gap from 3 was so inane to her she hadn't even realized Lelouch used it on her already even after a whole year to think about it. (unless she hadn't realized from the cave he couldn't use it more than once. >_>) But of course, Lelouch being Lelouch, who's always valued his subordinates free will, he quickly put that fears of hers to rest.
Does her knowledge of Geass mean that she's talked with C.C.? I can't think of anywhere else for this to have come from.

Curiously enough, R2:EP2 was a complete reversal of R1:EP3 within the near same circumstances.

Ep3:
~Embarassing moment
~Lelouch at knife-point
~Questioning
~Trickery
~Sly Lelouch getting his peek and walking out.

Ep2:
~Embarassing moment
~Lelouch at gun-point
~Questioning
~Truth
~Sly Lelouch getting his peek but not walking out.
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Old 2008-04-13, 09:17   Link #116
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Aren't some of the scenes you mentioned from episode 3?
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Old 2008-04-13, 09:20   Link #117
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Yes they are. The shower-event is in the end of Stage 3.
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Old 2008-04-13, 09:21   Link #118
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Aren't some of the scenes you mentioned from episode 3?
Err ya, good call. My brain is teh exploded.
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Old 2008-04-13, 09:35   Link #119
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The memory gap from 3 was so inane to her she hadn't even realized Lelouch used it on her already even after a whole year to think about it. (unless she hadn't realized from the cave he couldn't use it more than once. >_>)
Keep in mind, though, that even if Kallen realised that was when he Geassed her, the resulting memory loss leaves her no way of knowing exactly what Lelouch commanded her to do while she was under.

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But of course, Lelouch being Lelouch, who's always valued his subordinates free will, he quickly put that fears of hers to rest.
Well, sort of. Kallen replied that she wanted to believe him, not that she actually did.

I think Lelouch's subsequent actions are helping ease her suspicions, though - particularly when he told Urabe he was wrong to say that the Black Knights were expendable in the cause of helping Zero escape, and just sacrificing subordinates wouldn't bring victory over Britannia. (For extra points, he lent her his jacket, and clearly wasn't happy about Kallen throwing herself in front of him in that last face-off with Vincent.)
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Old 2008-04-13, 09:39   Link #120
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Well, sort of. Kallen replied that she wanted to believe him, not that she actually did.
That's not what I got from the scene. She said she believed him, then clarified that as believing in Zero, not Lulu.
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