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Old 2008-05-13, 17:51   Link #24381
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And that's why there are other people writing their versions of the fall of Belka. How exactly the Seiou died and the Cradle got lost are still unknown factors, so really anything is possible.
*raises hand*

How I view the fall of Belka:

- Until then, they were viewed as invincible until a sound defeat that made crumble the myth of the invincibility of Belkan armies.

- Belka has stretched over a large number of territories, to the point that the resources allocated to law and administration has stretched thin, forcing Belka to give more power to native populations of conquered territories.

- Mentionned populations start to make secession, this is especially true on the borders of the Empire where its hold is the weakest.

- Unwelcomed disasters, like bad harvest for the agriculture sector, strikes from workers in the industry, and the natural disasters (earthquake, meteor fall, you name it) has make the faith and trust of the population in the emperor crumble.

- Noblemen and generals want their part in the political and military power cakes and likely staged a coup in various occasions.

- Then there are this war that has brought the empire to its knees, and made it history.

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Old 2008-05-13, 17:57   Link #24382
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Indeed we must spread the dise--- Relgi--- HOBBY to other fandoms... yessssss.
So is that a regular yessssss or a [megatron]yesssssss[/megatron]

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Shout "LOL ZERG RUSH!!!" and hope for the best...
Raid coordinator: Alright, so warriors all know their rotation order? Healers have their assignments. So now DPS needs to watch their aggro and...

Random d00d: Let's do dis!

Raid Coordinator: Oh lords...no...

Random d00d: LEEEERRROOOYYYY

Random other raiders: OH SH**

Other d00ds: JEENNNKKIINNNSSS!!!!

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Oh, trust me, Khrack is running rampant through my mind. From wacked out ideas like a prototype android (scrapped, of course) to a Sentoukijin, to Erio's sister, to a former trainer of the Aces in their early days, to another of Vivio's classmates, and even ideas like this:



This idea drops the high-defence train of thought of Alpha-Syn and goes for a more low-defence, high-speed version. I already have idea to why her hair is so short too, with a small wink to the anime.

Basically, I'm sifting through the Khrack in my brain and finding the right Khrack. The Khrack that makes everybody go 'hey, that actually looks good.'

So far the latest idea of combining Hikaru and Syn holds the most merit, not the least because I like both of them.
Nice

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Can do. I was messing around with color paterns for the Barrier Jacket.

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Dunno... I think red is still the best one.
Hmm...don't know, to me, the red doesn't seem to go well with her hair...instead the blue version might suit her better...but that's just me

*runs*
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Old 2008-05-13, 18:21   Link #24384
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Side question: Have you ever watched Angelic Layer?
Na my anime watching is acutally quite limited and specific if it lacks pretty strong sci-fi elements the chances I've seen it are pretty poor; though they improve slightly if it's a comedy, but then plummets again if it has lots of angst.

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Anyway, its more then a minor aspect. Like I said, Syn is still a virtually blank paper. Sure, I wrote down a profile for Alpha, but that was based on events as they happened in Alpha. This also changed her combat style (going from a defensive oriented melee specialist to an offensive one with high mobillity).
I suppose though her personality dosen't really seem like the rush down sort to me. *shrugs* That tends to be the domain of the hot blooded loons and such I'd have pegged her as a slower more methodical type fighter myself, but then again her characterization is at this point rather... pliable. That has up and downsides means you can do lots of stuff with her character wise, but also means that her history and backstory is rather thin.

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It may apear weak on a surface level, but this does mean that stuff will get written with her. If I simply copy/paste, she'll end up like the Rogues at best, and Mandy at worst.
Yeah I've had that issue a bit too I've basiclly retconned as much of my early "lol SG-1 crack!" as I could basiclly O'Neil is the only thing left that I'm really mentioning regularly since other people (mainly goose) have put him into there back stories and stuff. I'm trying to limit anymore SG crack though and besides him pretty much the entire cast of my fic is now genuine OCs. (well Pixy and Cipher are tributes obviously, but are tenuously related to there source material at best, plus since Cipher was basiclly a blank slat I've pretty much created his characterization from the ground up anyway)
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Keroko-kun: I actually watched it because I've watched other Oxhorn productions, which were quite good. But there's always a rotten apple around I suppose.
I just tend to be leery of most game movies in general as on the whole 99% (forget the usual 90) is crap so if you don't get my attention within about 30 seconds... closed.

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Those times were hardly as common back when though. In fact... if I recall things started going downhill with the arival of Gurren Lagann... that's when the hotblood craze started.
Yeah I showed up in the middle of that nonsense sure it was good time for the crazies, but for the moderates not so much.

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It was more of a side comment, really. Anyway, with Vivio and her 'golden throne' in the Cradle and all, it just set of alarm bells and we made a few links and laughed at the craziness. As always, things move on from there. You have to remember that crack was as common as dirt back then, and we were much more liberal with our references.
I can see how it could happen and like I said I don't mind references it's when entire elements of the other universe and plot points start showing up that I start to go "Okay is this a tribute or a crossover". I'll admit I nearly did the same thing, but I've been working damage control and moving very much away from my earlier SG-1 crack.

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And that's why there are other people writing their versions of the fall of Belka. How exactly the Seiou died and the Cradle got lost are still unknown factors, so really anything is possible.
True nearly everyone seems to have there take on how it went down, but I tend to prefer ones that are acutally original and TRY to stay within canon all this crap about Grey Knights and stuff it's just... bleh. I don't worry much about the fall itself though since I have no plans regarding any of that I'm more worried about how crap introduced in all these crazy back stories could leak into the present.

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My version will only have acts of betrayal portrayed (which one technically can say aren't exactly connections ), there won't be any 'daemons' or the like present. It doesn't fit into the story I've written.
Good to know yours was never one I found that objectionable it was more the fact that Kha seemed to want to take your rather more reasonable approach and cram all sorts of extra 40k shit into it until it resembled a mutated nanoha/40k love child.

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*shrug* true about the later parts, though the holy powers can be explained as simply being another form of magic, which the knights refuse to believe are not of their divine guardians.
Now that I'd have zero issue with, but I HIGHLY doubt Kha would be amendable to such a thing he seems extremely dedicated to the idea that divine beings and magic are very real in Nanoha despite an almost total lack of even hints of such in canon.

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... This does nothing to quell my mind filled with the various storylines of Keroko's insertion into Angelic Layer. Not that that's a bad thing.
I'm hooked on Macross crack at the moment I've been going back and messing aroudn with some of my older ideas about it.
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Old 2008-05-13, 18:27   Link #24385
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I come to the OC in search of help. Now I'm sure most of you don't remember Rune Juril my OC (Unless you frequent the IRC and I said anything about her...) but I WANT to finish her I just... Can't decide on what kind of weapon I want her to have. :P

Originally I planned a swallow blade. 'Till I began to think its:
A. Hard to imagine how to fight with one for me
B. Where in the world does the cartridge sit without being in a very awkward position?
C. On that same note, where would the core be? Since its a Midchildan made device and all

So I began to plan other ideas:
1. Swallow blade
2. Katana
3. Sword/gun combo (So yes two devices)
4. Gunblade (Suggested by someone else )

Open to suggestions but I prefer a blade of some sort due to her friendship with Signum and helping Vivio with her own swordsmanship.
What about the uncommon kusarigama?

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Sword & gun combo

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Old 2008-05-13, 18:54   Link #24386
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... This does nothing to quell my mind filled with the various storylines of Keroko's insertion into Angelic Layer. Not that that's a bad thing.


This was not meant to quell any minds...

This is infact just the beginning of what madness this Mad Saint has in store for the Layer.

If you have time, please Visit my FFN Profile - the link's on my sig, and read my fic... yes all current 96 chapters of it, leave a review or two and some suggestions.

And if I have time, another OC contract perhaps?

That reminds me to work on that fic.
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Those were minis? I couldn't tell really, seeing as they're hidden... Easily fixed.
You Don't see them generally, but Revolver Knuckle uses a... well, revolver loading system. There is one time where it is displayed in full view:

Spoiler for IS: Silver Retriever:


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Nah, just her. Crash is a C rank, and has more power easily. Abby's barely magical, just like Fox. She gets by on extremely awesome (GODLIKE!) shooting skills.
Then it was me. Ignore what I said.

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I come to the OC in search of help. Now I'm sure most of you don't remember Rune Juril my OC (Unless you frequent the IRC and I said anything about her...) but I WANT to finish her I just... Can't decide on what kind of weapon I want her to have. :P

Originally I planned a swallow blade. 'Till I began to think its:
A. Hard to imagine how to fight with one for me
B. Where in the world does the cartridge sit without being in a very awkward position?
C. On that same note, where would the core be? Since its a Midchildan made device and all

So I began to plan other ideas:
1. Swallow blade
2. Katana
3. Sword/gun combo (So yes two devices)
4. Gunblade (Suggested by someone else )

Open to suggestions but I prefer a blade of some sort due to her friendship with Signum and helping Vivio with her own swordsmanship.
A sword-gun combo sounds really cool. The Cartridge system is obvious with the gun, and the sword can use a similar system to Levantine. The core would be along the side of the gun, similar to Cross Mirage. The sword doesn't need a core per-se, as you already have it in the gun.

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*raises hand*

How I view the fall of Belka:

- Until then, they were viewed as invincible until a sound defeat that made crumble the myth of the invincibility of Belkan armies.

- Belka has stretched over a large number of territories, to the point that the resources allocated to law and administration has stretched thin, forcing Belka to give more power to native populations of conquered territories.

- Mentionned populations start to make secession, this is especially true on the borders of the Empire where its hold is the weakest.

- Unwelcomed disasters, like bad harvest for the agriculture sector, strikes from workers in the industry, and the natural disasters (earthquake, meteor fall, you name it) has make the faith and trust of the population in the emperor crumble.

- Noblemen and generals want their part in the political and military power cakes and likely staged a coup in various occasions.

- Then there are this war that has brought the empire to its knees, and made it history.
And that's a perfectly viable way to view it.

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Hmm...don't know, to me, the red doesn't seem to go well with her hair...instead the blue version might suit her better...but that's just me

*runs*
The red worked fine in the above shot... But I'll play with various screens and colors for a while, thanks for the input.

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Na my anime watching is acutally quite limited and specific if it lacks pretty strong sci-fi elements the chances I've seen it are pretty poor; though they improve slightly if it's a comedy, but then plummets again if it has lots of angst.
Then you should probably know that there isn't much about Hikaru that can be ported. Hikaru is an 'angel', a battle doll whom we only get to see move during the fights, and she never speaks a word. There's no past, no secret history, all we have is her in combat. Her fighting style and personallity in combat (really, even though she doesn't say a word, she has quite a presence).

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I suppose though her personality dosen't really seem like the rush down sort to me. *shrugs* That tends to be the domain of the hot blooded loons and such I'd have pegged her as a slower more methodical type fighter myself, but then again her characterization is at this point rather... pliable. That has up and downsides means you can do lots of stuff with her character wise, but also means that her history and backstory is rather thin.
Define 'rush down.' She doesn't buldozer in without a plan (having low armor, that gets you killed the moment you're up against a smart oponent) but uses her speed to her advantage, getting close before the enemy has a chance to react (circumstancial, but its the idea) or getting behind them and lay traps. Analyze, use the speed and agillity to avoid attacks while revealing none of yours untill you know you can strike.

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Yeah I've had that issue a bit too I've basiclly retconned as much of my early "lol SG-1 crack!" as I could basiclly O'Neil is the only thing left that I'm really mentioning regularly since other people (mainly goose) have put him into there back stories and stuff. I'm trying to limit anymore SG crack though and besides him pretty much the entire cast of my fic is now genuine OCs. (well Pixy and Cipher are tributes obviously, but are tenuously related to there source material at best, plus since Cipher was basiclly a blank slat I've pretty much created his characterization from the ground up anyway)
O'Neil deserves to stay because he's O'Neil, that's all the excuse needed. :3 And I have no problems with Pixy and Cipher, the best ports are ports that don't require you to have seen/played/read the original, both of them do just fine in that department.

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I just tend to be leery of most game movies in general as on the whole 99% (forget the usual 90) is crap so if you don't get my attention within about 30 seconds... closed.
True, but like I said, I know this machinema maker. This one was a rotten apple in the basket.

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Yeah I showed up in the middle of that nonsense sure it was good time for the crazies, but for the moderates not so much.
Things were a lot less... anxious back then though.

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I can see how it could happen and like I said I don't mind references it's when entire elements of the other universe and plot points start showing up that I start to go "Okay is this a tribute or a crossover". I'll admit I nearly did the same thing, but I've been working damage control and moving very much away from my earlier SG-1 crack.
One of the main reasons I leave Aspect Mages as a reference only. It's a fairly unknown magic style that's far in decline anyway <_<

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Now that I'd have zero issue with, but I HIGHLY doubt Kha would be amendable to such a thing he seems extremely dedicated to the idea that divine beings and magic are very real in Nanoha despite an almost total lack of even hints of such in canon.
Well, technically his 'Divine Beings' aren't divine at all. The Naaru are basically giant mana batteries (concidering their energies can be drained and used without their concent), which is a lot more plausible.

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This was not meant to quell any minds...

This is infact just the beginning of what madness this Mad Saint has in store for the Layer.

If you have time, please Visit my FFN Profile - the link's on my sig, and read my fic... yes all current 96 chapters of it, leave a review or two and some suggestions.

And if I have time, another OC contract perhaps?

That reminds me to work on that fic.
Will do, later. Kinda busy at the moment. It's late and vacation's over. -_-;
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Old 2008-05-13, 19:52   Link #24388
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Kusarigama sounds like too much work for me to have figure out how to describe how the thing works.
Like the sword/gun picture though

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Wouldn't the sword need a core since its a separate device? I wasn't sure if a device was capable of being split into two separate forms; we've seen a device split into two of the same weapon (Riot Zamber) but I'm not sure if it could sustain two separate forms.
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Oh, I'm not worried about the fanboys. I can handle fanboys.

Besides, as Konata would say 'flat chested is a status symbol'.
"The flat chest is a status symbol! :3"

"But you ARE worried aren't you?"

"..."


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Hybrid? Having Fire Warriors is pretty much a standard move when playing Tau in 40K though. And you always have a Shas-O in a powersuit. Well... unless you choose an Ethereal as your HQ.
It's compulsory, so they are the odd one out in a mech Tau unless loaded into a fish for epic expenses. Also, mech Tau is so heavy on tanks I need shoe-boxes to carry them around.

So far I've trimmed it to 2 WarFishes and 1 RailHead, and loaded up on 2-man Broadside teams, plus a Pathfinder squad for pining and Markelights. Reorganizing my Tau FWs too, and debating Seeker upgrades. At this level though, I realized that 1500 points is actually very small...

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Hmm, well Necron can hit hard, their main disadvantage is that their units are expensive. Even a normal Warrior costs 18 points, while a Tau Fire Warrior is only 10, and the Tau get superior weaponry to boot. In OC-terms that means that the TSAB would have the advantage of numbers against the Necron. Combine that with weapons that won't allow a save (Belkan powered weapons) and weapons with twice as much strength as the targets toughness (Divine Buster go!) and the fact that the TSAB simply outspeeds the Necron units and you see the TSAB standing more and more of a chance.

Most of the times I kill Necron armies by dancing around them. Gauss Flayers have 24 Inch reach, my Pulse Rifles 30. Using that reach to my advantage I can hold them off, the big pain comes when the other player starts Deep Striking. >_<
I see... TSAB are first surprised, and get pwn'd, then they start using their brains a little and stall this advance. OCs arrive/Deep Strike, lay waste, Necrons announce their reply, scrum ensues...

WoW I actually have an idea how the battle'd progress now.

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Did someone say...Orcs in Space?

*RUNS*
"Lok'Thar o'gar, Friend. I trust that the Deep Sleep hasn't cause you any harm." ~ Warchief Thrall, to a newly unfrozen Orc.

Thus I am rendered immune to that. FOR THE HORDE!!!

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So would she be a 25 or a 40-man raid boss?
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Serverwide event-raid.
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I suppose. Though given some of Hayate's spells I thought she was more Arcane spec'd
I don't know about that... Diabolic Emission, Bloody Dagger look like Shadow spells, Hrevelger is either Wind/Frost/Arcane, the rest are Frost... So given the number of Frost spells available to her, that looks like the spec...

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We just have weird token drops. We'll get like 12 Mage/Lock/Hunter token, 5 Pally/Rogue/Shammy and then 1 Warrior/Priest/Druid token. It really irks me that the Mages/Locks/Hunter are already going for second tokens when barely 1/3 of Priest/Warriors have their 1st ones
That is really bull rolling on the loot tables. :/

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Can do. I was messing around with color paterns for the Barrier Jacket.

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Dunno... I think red is still the best one.
Same here.


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Bah, Kha may throw in some whacked out ideas at times, but there have also been many times where he threw in crazy ideas and people went 'wait... that actually make sense!'

His cleric knights aren't all that far-fetched for example, concidering the Saint Church has been stated to worship the Seiou (seriously, 7Arcs keeps throwing 40K references at us, don't blame us if we use them) and it is the largest religion out there, and we know they have their own mages.
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This isn't even CLOSE to a 40k reference IMO it's a Christian reference. (they also worship an ancient messianic figure that the feel was divine). 40k also uses some extremely vaugely Christian elements but so dose about 50,000 other pieces of fiction the connection is EXTREMELY tenuous at best and you're really only defending it cause you happen to like 40k. I don't even really mind it that much, but it's when this imported 40k crap starts to overtake and overrun actual canon that I start to roll my eyes. All this crap that seems to be leading toward turning the fall of Belka into the frikkin Horus Heresy for instance inspires intense loathing in me.
You said it yourself; a full 40K port does not fit. And the Cleric-Knights were based off the Space Marines, but I diluted that with several other sources + some of my own thinking about religion, WHICH IS heavily influenced by looking at the entire pletora of Christian and Islamic faiths and trying to see what is the common point.

The very line from the DVD booklet that the faith of Saint Church is very liberal plays completely to this idea.

However, yes I know the Heresy thing was glaring. That's why I want to look at what Keroko is doing for Fall of the Empire and work from there. There may or may not be a Heresy; as of the latest, the only concrete thing I've said in the latest codex is that Sankt Kaiser and her Knights were wiped out fighting for humanity, and the effort to re-establish them comes from both Kha's knowledge that something is coming, and the Church Council wanting more political power, for better or for worse.

Feel free to debate the latter point; I got that idea off how Singapore first got off the floor. Whether it'll also lead to an independent Belka is far off and riddled with minefields, so I can only say wait and see.

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Knights of the church yeah no issue there knights of the church using here to unseen holy powers to fight also unseen demons and having started out descending from a bunch of genetically engineered cloned super soldiers... not so much. I got no issue with the church having Knights my problem is more with the fact these knights barely even vaugely resemble actual canon Belkan Knights and are instead modeled off of bloody space marines.
You DO know that these Knights are an elite minority, given that with the requirement of a special Linker Core means only a few can be Cleric-Knights, unlike the individually cloned ones from Ancient Belka? I believe that them not resembling canon Knights is canonically justified given their "history" and achievements.

Also, Kha changed much of the monastic doctrine into a more liberal interpretation, just like what the Sankt Kaiser movement canonically did for the New Testament, which was already very liberal for a holy script. WH40K vets look at the Cleric-Knights and go "WTF are these even Grey Knights? These guys are pansy!"

And to that end, it shows that I've succeeded in making them fit into Nanoha.

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*Temporarily decloaks and Pauses Backlog Breaker Charge*

*does EPIC STOP SIGN to stop all the WH40K talk*

Did I just hear Angelic Layer Crack?

Spoiler for Last Lines of the Latest Chapter of Saint X's Angelic Layer Fic:


*Takes out EPIC GO SIGN to resume the WH40K talk*

*Resumes Backlog Breaker Charge and recloaks*
Oh yoikes They are all coming out in the open.

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Those times were hardly as common back when though. In fact... if I recall things started going downhill with the arival of Gurren Lagann... that's when the hotblood craze started.
There was GGG, but it took a while to get into. Gurren Lagann was new fresh and 26 episodes, fit into my schedule, and I went nuts. Over time, others got converted, and many were left facepalming. :3

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It was more of a side comment, really. Anyway, with Vivio and her 'golden throne' in the Cradle and all, it just set of alarm bells and we made a few links and laughed at the craziness. As always, things move on from there. You have to remember that crack was as common as dirt back then, and we were much more liberal with our references.
I wish I am more dicotomious in my posts to that we can tell when I'm joking and when I'm not. :/

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And that's why there are other people writing their versions of the fall of Belka. How exactly the Seiou died and the Cradle got lost are still unknown factors, so really anything is possible.

My version will only have acts of betrayal portrayed (which one technically can say aren't exactly connections ), there won't be any 'daemons' or the like present. It doesn't fit into the story I've written.
Which after much thought I've decided to go with. So heresy or not, despite being born from the fires of the Alhazred collapse, despite battling all those xenoic threats, I believe Belka was ultimately destroyed by the 18th Angel, Humanity.

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*shrug* true about the later parts, though the holy powers can be explained as simply being another form of magic, which the knights refuse to believe are not of their divine guardians.
Kha, his Knights and other Belka recognize this as truth. The rest of the lost can diss them, but to the Belka, it is the Lost Sheep's loss.

It's fiercely debatable, and several miracles and visions indicate otherwise, but hey, isn't this what religion is like?

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Knowing what happens if you say that... makes me fear for my freshly rolled Pally.
Kha is one, and Khrack has it that a spark of insanity had him going LEEEEROOOOOY JEEEENKIIINSSSSSS!!! and breaking open Number cylinders... with the same end result.

...and before people think that is fanon, THAT IS A JOKE!

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... This does nothing to quell my mind filled with the various storylines of Keroko's insertion into Angelic Layer. Not that that's a bad thing.
Side-characters aren't bad; in fact, AL is perfectly forgiving to that really. It's like adding another Ace to the Nanohaverse, which you've done very well.

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*raises hand*

How I view the fall of Belka:

- Until then, they were viewed as invincible until a sound defeat that made crumble the myth of the invincibility of Belkan armies.

- Belka has stretched over a large number of territories, to the point that the resources allocated to law and administration has stretched thin, forcing Belka to give more power to native populations of conquered territories.

- Mentionned populations start to make secession, this is especially true on the borders of the Empire where its hold is the weakest.

- Unwelcomed disasters, like bad harvest for the agriculture sector, strikes from workers in the industry, and the natural disasters (earthquake, meteor fall, you name it) has make the faith and trust of the population in the emperor crumble.

- Noblemen and generals want their part in the political and military power cakes and likely staged a coup in various occasions.

- Then there are this war that has brought the empire to its knees, and made it history.
My thoughts on the subject are still not concrete, but this has a part to play as well.

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I can see how it could happen and like I said I don't mind references it's when entire elements of the other universe and plot points start showing up that I start to go "Okay is this a tribute or a crossover". I'll admit I nearly did the same thing, but I've been working damage control and moving very much away from my earlier SG-1 crack.
Unit is a tribute. Story is original. In no way is it a crossover, but several elements does mirror WH fiction, but its mostly the Alhazredian collapse mirroring the Dark Age of Technology, the attitude towards STCs mirroring the attitudes to Lost Logia, and the organization of the Imperiallum of Belka. Everything else, even the mood and such, is Nanohafied, or completely redone. "Damage control" like you said.

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True nearly everyone seems to have there take on how it went down, but I tend to prefer ones that are acutally original and TRY to stay within canon all this crap about Grey Knights and stuff it's just... bleh. I don't worry much about the fall itself though since I have no plans regarding any of that I'm more worried about how crap introduced in all these crazy back stories could leak into the present.
Trust me, I have it under control.

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Good to know yours was never one I found that objectionable it was more the fact that Kha seemed to want to take your rather more reasonable approach and cram all sorts of extra 40k shit into it until it resembled a mutated nanoha/40k love child.
This is your opinion. AFAIK the script in my head is nothing like what I first started with. I only retained bits that is justifiable by canon.

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Now that I'd have zero issue with, but I HIGHLY doubt Kha would be amendable to such a thing he seems extremely dedicated to the idea that divine beings and magic are very real in Nanoha despite an almost total lack of even hints of such in canon.
See above reply. :3
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Nande? Do I have this right? YOU are spreading crack???

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Indeed we must spread the dise--- Relgi--- HOBBY to other fandoms... yessssss.

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I'd tend to agree myself though calling dibs on a character just to kind of morph her into a minor aspect of an existing OC seems a bit weak, but just ignore my nit picking if you think it works.
Well, if you like the concept and happen to find someone that works...
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Those times were hardly as common back when though. In fact... if I recall things started going downhill with the arival of Gurren Lagann... that's when the hotblood craze started.
Oh, what's wrong with a little hot blood?

See, I was gonna make a GL-based character, Spiral and all, but figured you guys might take exception. We can reign in hot blood!

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I come to the OC in search of help. Now I'm sure most of you don't remember Rune Juril my OC (Unless you frequent the IRC and I said anything about her...) but I WANT to finish her I just... Can't decide on what kind of weapon I want her to have. :P

Originally I planned a swallow blade. 'Till I began to think its:
A. Hard to imagine how to fight with one for me
B. Where in the world does the cartridge sit without being in a very awkward position?
C. On that same note, where would the core be? Since its a Midchildan made device and all

So I began to plan other ideas:
1. Swallow blade
2. Katana
3. Sword/gun combo (So yes two devices)
4. Gunblade (Suggested by someone else )

Open to suggestions but I prefer a blade of some sort due to her friendship with Signum and helping Vivio with her own swordsmanship.
I kinda like the original swallow idea of yours, so I'm gonna give you some ideas...off-the-wall ones, but not unreasonable. :3

Point A: Yes, it's gonna be hard to fight with a swallow, or any other dual-bladed weapon. Darth Maul probably didn't pick it up in a day either. Looks damn cool if you're skilled with it, though.

Point B and C: Here's where it gets awkward. I had an idea once to make a pair of Devices that were separate entities but had a unified AI. Why not try a dual-core Device? A cartridge chamber and core on each blade? Two separate AIs that work with a single Device?

Yes, it's unusual, but I think it has merit. Note that I'll likely try this system out myself, assuming it doesn't get shot down.

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Raid coordinator: Alright, so warriors all know their rotation order? Healers have their assignments. So now DPS needs to watch their aggro and...

Random d00d: Let's do dis!

Raid Coordinator: Oh lords...no...

Random d00d: LEEEERRROOOYYYY

Random other raiders: OH SH**

Other d00ds: JEENNNKKIINNNSSS!!!!

<Boss aggro'd>
And another raid gets claimed by the Leeroy Syndrome...:3

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Hmm...don't know, to me, the red doesn't seem to go well with her hair...instead the blue version might suit her better...but that's just me

*runs*
Nah, I think red's the best. The blue one just looks too...uniform with her hair.

Besides, red ones go faster. :3 *runs*

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I suppose though her personality dosen't really seem like the rush down sort to me. *shrugs* That tends to be the domain of the hot blooded loons and such I'd have pegged her as a slower more methodical type fighter myself, but then again her characterization is at this point rather... pliable. That has up and downsides means you can do lots of stuff with her character wise, but also means that her history and backstory is rather thin.
Call me crazy, but Syn strikes me as very much an "act first, think second" character...
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Now that I'd have zero issue with, but I HIGHLY doubt Kha would be amendable to such a thing he seems extremely dedicated to the idea that divine beings and magic are very real in Nanoha despite an almost total lack of even hints of such in canon.
No, I actually think that idea has merit. Especially given the potential for...twists, should the Clerics find this out.

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What about the uncommon kusarigama?

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Nothin' against sword and gun combo at all.

Kusarigama, on the other hand...now there's a wacky weapon.

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You Don't see them generally, but Revolver Knuckle uses a... well, revolver loading system. There is one time where it is displayed in full view:

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I actually made a note of that when I first watched StrikerS; I was wondering how her cartridges were so tiny-looking when normal ones are large bullet-sized.
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The red worked fine in the above shot... But I'll play with various screens and colors for a while, thanks for the input.
Olive-and-peach Jacket FTW!

*runs*
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Define 'rush down.' She doesn't buldozer in without a plan (having low armor, that gets you killed the moment you're up against a smart oponent) but uses her speed to her advantage, getting close before the enemy has a chance to react (circumstancial, but its the idea) or getting behind them and lay traps. Analyze, use the speed and agillity to avoid attacks while revealing none of yours untill you know you can strike.
Hm. Interesting.

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"The flat chest is a status symbol! :3"

"But you ARE worried aren't you?"

"..."


Pwn'd.
Someone's never heard of DFC...

*runs*
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I don't know about that... Diabolic Emission, Bloody Dagger look like Shadow spells, Hrevelger is either Wind/Frost/Arcane, the rest are Frost... So given the number of Frost spells available to her, that looks like the spec...
Hmmm...Frost with a splash of Arcane, maybe?
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Hm.

*plays Dichotomancy on Kha*

There, that should do it. :3
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I tore Lynn's history down and worked off a Mishima base instead. She starts out typical, but ends up in a seriously screwed up mission, and blames her own weakness for it, and developes her drive and determination. Mishima takes that and in turn teaches her his hard learned tricks and forges a strong mage out of her.

I've scrapped half the Lind power concepts and I'm just going to ignore cool and spear mint until some later date. Right now she's just Lynn.

As for the rest, I did Alexander's profile today, and did the check on Abby's to take care of the minor problem.

Incidently, in Gray's profile, they managed to get a photo of him just after he finished showing off for a cute girl... They figured that was a more accurate portrayal of his face...
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Wouldn't the sword need a core since its a separate device? I wasn't sure if a device was capable of being split into two separate forms; we've seen a device split into two of the same weapon (Riot Zamber) but I'm not sure if it could sustain two separate forms.
Not necisarilly. If the sword is an Armed Device there is no 'need' for a core, but it you want a guard you could always make a core in the handguard.

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"The flat chest is a status symbol! :3"

"But you ARE worried aren't you?"

"..."


Pwn'd.
Pwn'd indeed.

makes for a great quirk though, tall yet flat. One more thing to be insecure about.

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It's compulsory, so they are the odd one out in a mech Tau unless loaded into a fish for epic expenses. Also, mech Tau is so heavy on tanks I need shoe-boxes to carry them around.

So far I've trimmed it to 2 WarFishes and 1 RailHead, and loaded up on 2-man Broadside teams, plus a Pathfinder squad for pining and Markelights. Reorganizing my Tau FWs too, and debating Seeker upgrades. At this level though, I realized that 1500 points is actually very small...
Simple answer to the shoe-box problem: Broadsides. :3 Sure, you need to alter your tactis, but propperly build and painted these things can be real beauties.

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I see... TSAB are first surprised, and get pwn'd, then they start using their brains a little and stall this advance. OCs arrive/Deep Strike, lay waste, Necrons announce their reply, scrum ensues...

WoW I actually have an idea how the battle'd progress now.
Good.

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"Lok'Thar o'gar, Friend. I trust that the Deep Sleep hasn't cause you any harm." ~ Warchief Thrall, to a newly unfrozen Orc.
Thrall greets the new players? Playing as Orks rocks.

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I don't know about that... Diabolic Emission, Bloody Dagger look like Shadow spells, Hrevelger is either Wind/Frost/Arcane, the rest are Frost... So given the number of Frost spells available to her, that looks like the spec...
Actually, the only frost spell was Atem des Eises. Mistiltein was a petrification spell (Arcane, maybe shadow), and Ragnarok Breaker was clearly Arcane.

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Kha is one, and Khrack has it that a spark of insanity had him going LEEEEROOOOOY JEEEENKIIINSSSSSS!!! and breaking open Number cylinders... with the same end result.
Fate: Kha, you are such an idiot.

Kha: It's not my fault!

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Side-characters aren't bad; in fact, AL is perfectly forgiving to that really. It's like adding another Ace to the Nanohaverse, which you've done very well.
It's pretty cool to write the battle in which your character looses.

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Point A: Yes, it's gonna be hard to fight with a swallow, or any other dual-bladed weapon. Darth Maul probably didn't pick it up in a day either. Looks damn cool if you're skilled with it, though.
Eh, they're not that bad. You just have to remember that it's not a sword or a staff.

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Nah, I think red's the best. The blue one just looks too...uniform with her hair.

Besides, red ones go faster. :3 *runs*
... Red ones go faster?

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Call me crazy, but Syn strikes me as very much an "act first, think second" character...
That's more Keroko's territory. Syn at least has a small train of thought before it, though she may end up discarding it.

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Olive-and-peach Jacket FTW!

*runs*
Syn: ... Die.
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Nah, I think red's the best. The blue one just looks too...uniform with her hair.

Besides, red ones go faster. :3 *runs*


Well, choosing the right colors for the clothes is important, you have to take the character's traits into account.
I've seen artwork scans of game/anime characters before their appearance and colors were decided, some did look cool, but others were just plain wierd >_>

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... Red ones go faster?
Gundam 00 reference...the "Trans Arm" or whatever it is named
It makes the Gundam glow red and drastically increases its speed.

*runs*
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Lynn is equipped with a device called Waldron, an Axe styled intelligent device that strangly, lacks the cartridge system of other devices, but is built extremely solid with some of the best engineering in the TSAB.
You should be clearer that it's the lack on a carttridge system on a neo-Belkan device that's strange. Mid-style devices generally don't have them in the first place.

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I've scrapped half the Lind power concepts and I'm just going to ignore cool and spear mint until some later date.
A wise decision, I'd have to say. Those two are overpowered, even for a goddess. AMG's angels are the opposite in operation from Unison Devices too. They are deployed as extra combatants, not joined in to improve performance.
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Well, choosing the right colors for the clothes is important, you have to take the character's traits into account.
I've seen artwork scans of game/anime characters before their appearance and colors were decided, some did look cool, but others were just plain wierd >_>
*nod nod* Words of truth, those. That's why I'm taking my time and experiment.

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Gundam 00 reference...the "Trans Arm" or whatever it is named
It makes the Gundam glow red and drastically increases its speed.

*runs*
*googles* ... You know, the funny part is that I can use this. Nanoha is filled with winks to the mecha world, and this looks to be the perfect wink for Syn. :3

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A wise decision, I'd have to say. Those two are overpowered, even for a goddess. AMG's angels are the opposite in operation from Unison Devices too. They are deployed as extra combatants, not joined in to improve performance.
... Uhm, we are reading the same manga, aren't we? 'Cause last I checked, angels are joined with their godesses and improve performance.
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Will tackle the backlog later. But for now, it's time to introduce the 'Prince'.

~Rebuilt of~
~Grandis Lacetti~


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Profile:
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Grandis spell list is classified under three categories. They usually depend on the type of Magic Color he is projecting at any given time.


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Water/Ice Set:
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I know, I know. He's seemingly way different from the cocky and confident Grandis that we all knew from the past. But I just had to do this. I felt something missing every time I reread Grandis' old profile. And I found out that 'I wanted to do something very different'. The old Grandis was likeable, sure. But there was a degenerancy with him that bugged me. Like with Aurion, I intend to completely break apart the common character mold and even some of the tropes in order to get a result as uniquely my own as possible! And so, Ohji Grandis came to be. How often does the non-hotblooded cool guy get the main girl? Don't worry, he's just more (MUCH more) refined now. The interactions with Hayate later on will still entail the same roguish flair. And I'd have to apologize in advance if anybody is planning or my have already written anything that involves an "Ore" Grandis. This is how he is now. And I intend to make him as likeable a character as possible! Oh. And making HayateXGrandis a success is a must too. ><

Comments? He's much, MUCH less HAXX now compared to the old version. Though I'm open to some more suggestions. Thanks in advance.


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Old 2008-05-14, 06:52   Link #24397
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... Uhm, we are reading the same manga, aren't we? 'Cause last I checked, angels are joined with their godesses and improve performance.
Yes. But, to put their angels to use, the goddesses manifest them outside their bodies. The angels remain connected to the host, yes, but in combat terms, there's now 2 opponents instead of 1. Even when using the angels to assist in spellcasting, they manifest them externally. That's the opposite of how Unison Devices are used. In their case, you go from 2 opponents to 1.

BTW, the "red goes 3 times faster" thing is a nod to Char Aznable of the original MS Gundam. G00 is just the latest to use a variation.
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Not necisarilly. If the sword is an Armed Device there is no 'need' for a core, but it you want a guard you could always make a core in the handguard.
I thought Midchildan made Armed Devices had cores in them...
Am I just imagining things again?
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Well think about all the armed devices you see in A's and StrikerS.

Levantine? No core. Closest thing might be that dull gray orb in the crossguard. Graf Eisen? Might be the ball between the two hammer heads, but no obvious core here either. Revolver Knuckle? No core. Schwertkreuz? No core. Heck, no AI as far as I can tell. Strada? Nada.

The absence of the AI core might be what makes Armed Devices so much sturdier than other devices, and hence able to utilize the cartridge system more easily.
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*Walks in, and takes a deep breath*

KEROKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



WHAT'S THIS I HEAR ABOUT YOU BRINGING THE PRIMARCHS!!!!!!!!!!!



*Takes another deep breath*

Okay I'm done :3
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