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Old 2008-05-18, 23:03   Link #21
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Isn't Cathy like officially damaged goods since she's slept with another man though?
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:10   Link #22
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Like as if the girl one ends up with is whose cherry was first popped.

Even if Cathy and Ozma don't end up wit each other I'm sure she'll dump Leon.
In a particularly painful way hopefully.
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:13   Link #23
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Isn't Cathy like officially damaged goods since she's slept with another man though?
While women are expected to be virginal in many anime, this has never been the case in Macross. In fact, it's not too uncommon for either the main characters or important secondary ones to have sex (implied or otherwise).
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:18   Link #24
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While women are expected to be virginal in many anime, this has never been the case in Macross. In fact, it's not too uncommon for either the main characters or important secondary ones to have sex (implied or otherwise).
Then how come Leon's getting such a bad rap?
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:21   Link #25
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Probably because most people decided on Ozma and Kathy in episode 2 (lots of tension in their "confrontation" over Alto) and early episode 3 (Cathy was clearly upset at seeing Ozma injured) and went wtf when Leon kissed her. Also his hairstyle sucks and Ozma probably tapped Cathy before Leon did anyway.
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:23   Link #26
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While women are expected to be virginal in many anime, this has never been the case in Macross. In fact, it's not too uncommon for either the main characters or important secondary ones to have sex (implied or otherwise).
Spoiler for Macross Plus:


Spoiler for SDF Macross:


- Tak (and WHY THE HELL does Leon remind me Yzak Joule?)

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Old 2008-05-18, 23:25   Link #27
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Probably because most people decided on Ozma and Kathy in episode 2 and went wtf when Leon kissed her. Also his hairstyle sucks and Ozma probably tapped Cathy before Leon did anyway.
I guess I'm to blame for not automatically trying to pair everyone up even before really knowing anything about them. And yes, his hairstyle does suck, and he's far too good at discerning his personal and professional life for his own good, but it's not like he's done or said anything to earn him "Final Villian" status as I've seen bantered about now and then.

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As for secondary characters, you really didn't need a hint to realize that Roy n' Claudia were active in that particular field.

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No kidding? She performed a character in a Macross series? Very nice...
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:26   Link #28
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Then how come Leon's getting such a bad rap?
Because the bastard is a sexual predator that's why!

Oh it's off office hours! Lets have sex!

I'm just waiting for President Glass to beat the crap out of this guy.
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:27   Link #29
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Okay okay, stop it with the "damaged goods" please. There's nothing wrong with women having sex, guys. -_-
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:28   Link #30
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^ Evidently there's a problem with a man having sex though.

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Because the bastard is a sexual predator that's why!

Oh it's off office hours! Lets have sex!

I'm just waiting for President Glass to beat the crap out of this guy.
Heaven forbid a man actually being aggressive sexually without being macho or perverted about it.
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:29   Link #31
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Okay okay, stop it with the "damaged goods" please. There's nothing wrong with women having sex, guys. -_-
That depends on the list of 'partners' that particular woman have been associated with. The longer the list, the more costly my life insurance

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Old 2008-05-18, 23:29   Link #32
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Okay okay, stop it with the "damaged goods" please. There's nothing wrong with women having sex, guys. -_-
Of course there isn't, pity the Haruka faction from KGNE can't buy a clue in regards to that.
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:32   Link #33
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KGNE? What's that?
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:33   Link #34
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Of course there isn't, pity the Haruka faction from KGNE can't buy a clue in regards to that.
I encourage people to play the original game, and not touch that convoluted animated piece of crap.

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Old 2008-05-18, 23:36   Link #35
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If it ever gets an English translation/release I will.. anyway to stay on topic let's predict Leon's Death...

Episode 24 in Battle Frontier/25! I really think Battle Frontier is going to go down if it has Leon and no names on it while the SMS crew stay on Quarter. Of course it's going to pack a massive punch before it does go down and heck it might even redeem Leon.
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:45   Link #36
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Yes, the UN Spacy has to be redeemend somehow.

May as well go out in a way that guarantees the lives of everyone in the SMS while also making sure that the other man gets the girl.
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:48   Link #37
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Spoiler for SDF Macross:
It's more than just that. In just about all Macross works, there's a certain amount of sexual activity, and it's almost never portrayed in a negative light. It's treated much more like a normal outgrowth of a relationship.

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Probably because most people decided on Ozma and Kathy in episode 2 (lots of tension in their "confrontation" over Alto) and early episode 3 (Cathy was clearly upset at seeing Ozma injured) and went wtf when Leon kissed her. Also his hairstyle sucks and Ozma probably tapped Cathy before Leon did anyway.
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I guess I'm to blame for not automatically trying to pair everyone up even before really knowing anything about them. And yes, his hairstyle does suck, and he's far too good at discerning his personal and professional life for his own good, but it's not like he's done or said anything to earn him "Final Villian" status as I've seen bantered about now and then.
There's three main reasons why Leon gets a bad rap: he's sinister, he's got a hidden agenda, and he seems to push Kathy around. I think that people complain about his relationship to Kathy because it's more convenient to do so than attacking his other points.

Leon is often seen as the "final villain" because that's the kind of role one would expect his character archetype to play in most anime. I don't think that this'll be the case at all.

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No kidding? She performed a character in a Macross series? Very nice...
Yup, now go and watch Macross Plus. It won't add all that much to the Macross Frontier experience, but it's a darn good anime.

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Okay okay, stop it with the "damaged goods" please. There's nothing wrong with women having sex, guys. -_-
That's completely true; and it's rather a shame that most anime suggest otherwise. I consider it a credit to the Macross franchise that sex between consenting adults is shown in a positive and healthy light.
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:53   Link #38
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That's completely true; and it's rather a shame that most anime suggest otherwise. I consider it a credit to the Macross franchise that sex between consenting adults is shown in a positive and healthy light.
Spoiler for Macross Plus:


Now we have Mr. Mishima and Kathy... I am sorry, but I think I nearly vomited on that one. In fact, I don't even know how this pairing could be possible. I mean, Kathy isn't an idiot, she knows what Leon is up to, and I have an impression that she has a good idea of just how terribly sinister Leon could be. Alas, we will let time reveal further details.

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Old 2008-05-18, 23:55   Link #39
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The movie version of Plus makes it more obvious since they also thrown in a Isamu and Lucy scene at the same time IIRC.
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Old 2008-05-18, 23:58   Link #40
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It's more than just that. In just about all Macross works, there's a certain amount of sexual activity, and it's almost never portrayed in a negative light. It's treated much more like a normal outgrowth of a relationship.
Not to mention people actually having kids like they're not some kind of...disease or plague.

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There's three main reasons why Leon gets a bad rap: he's sinister, he's got a hidden agenda, and he seems to push Kathy around. I think that people complain about his relationship to Kathy because it's more convenient to do so than attacking his other points.

Leon is often seen as the "final villain" because that's the kind of role one would expect his character archetype to play in most anime. I don't think that this'll be the case at all.
He's also comparatively uncool to just about everyone in the series. You'd have to strain a bit to think of any good points, while not taking them for granted.

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Yup, now go and watch Macross Plus. It won't add all that much to the Macross Frontier experience, but it's a darn good anime.
Yes, sir.

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That's completely true; and it's rather a shame that most anime suggest otherwise. I consider it a credit to the Macross franchise that sex between consenting adults is shown in a positive and healthy light.
I'm sure the temptation was there to create a survivalist "free love" movement after the first series.
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