2008-06-06, 20:59 | Link #921 |
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Another thing to consider is that a large part of Riot Force six consists of parties whose ultimate Loyalty to the Bureau Cannot be guaranteed.
Nanoha is a non-mid offworlder. She's also demonstrated a willingness to oppose the Bureau in the past (Fate Rescue) Hayate is also a non-mid offworlder, and the WolkenRitter are not only offworlders (technically) but have Explicitly stated that their Loyalty is to Hayate First over and above anything and anyone else. She and they are also viewed as Dimensional Criminals by some in the Bureau. Fate is a former dimensional Criminal and not originally a mid-native (though Precia was) And together, they have enough power that if they wanted to, they could overpower the Bureau HQ easily. in other words, some of those opposing the creation and upkeep of Riot Force 6 may well be in fear of a Coup d'etat by the Aces Who could do it. As a result, splitting them up may be an attempt at damage limitation, preventing them from being in the position to do such a thing. if this is the case, then Riot Force 6, assembled under protest and only with a lot of political backing, would be under a lot of pressure, and would be watched very closely. and that would be why they were given a base on Mid rather than a ship: they're easier to watch if they're in a static location. if they get a ship and Dimensional Navigation ability, they can effectively disappear from the Bureau watchers. In the eyes of some, the moment they do that, it'll be considered a sign of plotting their own agenda... If it's to happen, then Riot Force 6 will need to overwhelmingly convince the Bureau at large that they can be trusted, and even if they do that, they will likely be Limiter-ed to the hilt, simply because of that fear of what they could do if they decided they don't like the Bureau (and it's not like they don't have reasons to...) |
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So that means... With my introduction of Nanoverse Valkyries... *imagines TSAB digging up a VF-1 meant to be linked to Rhythm Edge* Keikakudoori...? Quote:
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It's because when I first wrote their profiles, they were attached to Riot 6, which was disbanded. Having Task 6 as the mother organization of the FRONT will be more canonical, but permission will lie with you. @Tk: Points taken. I did say I wanted to unshaft everyone, and politicians, bias and would be one of them. But there's one interesting point. How come there was no rival force to Riot 6 in canon? These were attacks mounted on Midchilda soil, shouldn't the FBI equivalent be responding more, and not some crack squad that can only handle 1 incident at a time hogging all the action? Can this be explained in canon, or will this be a point I need to fix in Rebuilt?
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2008-06-06, 21:13 | Link #923 | |
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Goose's fic would likely be AU to this though I'd need details as depending on exact timing and what chars he used it might be possible for them to occur in the same verse as separate but somewhat related projects.
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2008-06-06, 21:21 | Link #924 |
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I see. Guess I'll take my time to make a decision then; this is a future development after all, and I got 2 pre-StrikerS fics backlogged
And... WTF tagged the Thread with Cadia Zwei Glo-- *is jumped on.* ...-_-\\\
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2008-06-06, 21:33 | Link #925 |
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Alright, what part of MINIMAL MILITARY INTERFERENCE didn't translate a few posts back?
This is how it's going to work: Hayate, Chrono, and Carim are going to take the RF6 proposal before the bigwigs after having cashed all their political checks or whatever the hell you want them to do. Hayate's sales pitch is going to be an elite, highly-mobile unit capable of handling a wide array of situations but specializing in the recovery of Lost Logia. The best part is that she's going to make this unit out of green recruits, the Wolkenritter, and a few support personel. The bigwigs opposed to Hayate chuckle to themselves and sign off on the proposal, giving Hayate a few years to get everything set up and the recruits trained. If she fails to get her team set up and demonstrate their effectiveness within an established period of time, the group gets disbanded and she owes them all a few very big political favors in exchange. If she's successful, the group becomes integrated into the military as Section Six. Hayate walks out of the room with a triumphant little smile on her face and gives Nanoha and Fate a call. A few hours later, N&F announce their intentions to transfer into Hayate's unit using the same loophole in the bureau's policies that allows GF mages to transfer into the Air Force. And all the bigwigs can do is sputter and choke, by the binding laws of their own agreement, and pray that Hayate doesn't prove her unit's effectiveness. She does, and RF6 becomes Section Six. Alternatively, one of the hardliners will find his own loophole in the law and prevent RF6 from joining the military, at which point Chrono reveals that he was expecting them to make that move and unveils a Xanatos Gambit to get RF6 placed under his command, transferring the entire unit to the Navy while Hayate and the rest thumb their noses at the hardliners. That is the extent to which I am willing to take the political maneuvering, and not one step further. I am not interested in writing political intrigue, especially not when one of the big points of this fanon is to reduce/eliminate the bureau's hold on the Aces.
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What if YOU were in their shoes. Consider it. What if you were the chief in command, and you had a group of elite warriors under your leadership, who--as a team-- could have more than enough power to circumvent YOUR command over the whole force? Will they try to take you down? Chances are, yeah. Could you fight them off? Chances are one to OVER NINE THOUUUSAAAAND. Ipso facto: Would/could you consider giving those individuals that opportunity? Almost nobody could fathom yielding their power to anyone else if they don't need to. In this world, power means everything, and people will go to extreme lengths to protect that power (until it is pried from their cold, dead hands). Quote:
Nanoha is already in the Air Force. Also, as for your question about Minimal to No military/political involvement, that isn't even the case. The argument everyone is running with, especially WildGoose and TK, is called Common Sense. Please, think about this carefully. Take what everyone has been saying so far, and think about it. Don't go trying to defend your argument without understanding what we are saying. We're not trying to pull a "devil's advocate", we just want you to help you understand a mistake you made. Otherwise, people will continue to poke holes into your argument. While we have a slim chance of saying something flawed, I"m pretty sure most of what we say should be pretty straight forward.
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2008-06-06, 22:40 | Link #928 |
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or to put it another way, Comartemis, Any question WE can ask, the other readers can ask.
It's Ok to not answer the question, but not to pretend the question doesn't exist. All we're asking is that you consider the ramifications of all that, well, Bureaucracy. We don't say you have to go into explicit detail...hell, you need never mention it in story, but whether it's mentioned or not, the existence of the Bureau and it's bureaucracy IS important and should impact the story, if only in the form of things that aren't seen or don't happen. If you can't or won't deal with the Bureaucracy, your only real options are either to have the Girls taken away from the Bureau, or have the bureau taken away from the girls. the Bureau is there, and it's Bureaucracy exists. You can't pretend it doesn't. All you can do is either make it go away, or make it so it was never there. Like it or loathe it, you can't ignore it. |
2008-06-06, 23:47 | Link #929 |
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Yes I like being surrounded by women--
*dodges Ballistic Scooter* --but I'd go nuts if they are all bubbling and chittering away. Just staying in character. I did say I was a love Syaoran didn't I?
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2008-06-07, 00:55 | Link #930 | |
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@ this "oh hi i gonna turn nanoha into naruto-like shonen" debacle. I'll say it and say it again. TSAB and its hierarchy are NOT limitations. Now, let's put yourself in Regius' shoes. You are a 'pure' breed mid-childian, you worked your ass off in the Ground Forces and climbed the ranks up to being a brass. AND suddenly, a terran, known to have interfered with the Bureau twice, have become instructor for the TSAB, another terran who was at the center of a case that have caused the bureau lot of grief, has somehow managed to be Lieutenant Colonel, and a mage, who is supposed to be the daughter of a class S-criminal, has become enforcer. They all have enough power to level entire continents if they wanted, then for some reason, they decide to form a force made up of the sister of a disgraced TSAB agent, a little girl who was banned from her own tribe because she is so godamn HAX, and other people as questionnable (in some way they are like the French Foreign Legion in concept, w/o all hardcore manly badass going on them). They are backed up by not just an admiral, but also by the saint church. Now, from his point of view, would you not be scared if they are ill-intended? Would you not try to stop them? From his point of view, he was doing his job, and it was more than just "RAWR I R JEALOUS I H8 DEM!" That's one of the things that Seven Arcs have tried to show but has not executed well. Just like all those MALE characters, like Griffith and Acous, who has and were an untapped potential. (But hey, you seem to hate the nanoha male cast for some reason) By conveniently taking the TSAB and it politics out of the picture, you are taking away potential plotlines that are about as interesting than "rawr i r cthuluh/the borgs/arioch of the chaos/freeza and i shall destroy the universe to impress my dad and the audience!" PS: And yes, you can have drama from stupid bureaucracy and morally questionnable orders! Believe it! |
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2008-06-07, 01:12 | Link #931 |
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While technically my OCs have already been "approved" by one and all, this was in the Old Days, and I don't want to rely on a grandfather clause. Therefore, re-submitting for re-busting.
I've added in a Major Spoiler section to show my actual intentions for the characters. It's really very Major and Spoilery, so read it only if you're absolutely certain that you don't mind the entire story spoiled for you. Having said that, any hax-busting done on the spoiler sections is still appreciated and will be taken into account. Also, changed "Nova Alto" to "Nova Altmann", since there's already an Alto in canon. Just a Search-and-Replace. ghazghkull, please use this post as the link for the first two members of the 37th CIAA (Ivey de Lorien and Rancer LaSalle). The other two characters will be in a later post, as apparently putting them all in at once is too much. Cancel that. ghazghkull, please use this compilation post for the first-page archive, thanks. Sorry for the inconvenience. ----- Ivey de Lorien, the Chains of Frost. Spoiler for Ivey de Lorien:
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... There's only one thing I can really say to that analysis, Sheba. Alright, news flash guys. Not everyone here was particularly impressed by the addition of the TSAB to Nanoha. Some of us are old school magical girl fans who thought S1 was perfectly awesome when it was just Nanoha, Yuuno, Fate and Precia without any of this military bullshit thrown in to the mixture. The TSAB added nothing of interest to the story until the Wolkenritter showed up and the bureau was nice enough to add the cartridge system to Bardiche and RH. Just for a reference point, I'm one of those guys who thought Sailor Moon was the greatest anime ever until I ran into Nanoha. I do not want, nor do I need, an epic Da Vinci Code-esque plot with political intrigue and all that inane bullshit. Good old-fashioned good vs evil works just fine with the right twists thrown in. Quote:
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We have tried and tried again to see reason. However, you are a lost cause. I can only speak for myself, but as far as I'm concerned, you are considered ex-communicated from my book. If others start ignoring you as well, then good for them, you start losing your audience, but then again it's not like you will most likely care.
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Just chill, alright? I'm still working the bugs out of this. Pass judgement once you've seen the final work, not when it's still in the beginning stages. Last edited by Comartemis; 2008-06-07 at 02:00. |
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2008-06-07, 02:01 | Link #938 |
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You always pull the "not impressed" card when it comes to the male cast, yet we have someone like Yuuno being able to hold ground against Vita. So, I'll ask, what's your problem with them?
PS: And please, Sailor Moon is not "greatest anime ever" material, I could understand if it was something like Gungrave, Monster, Berserk or Macross. But certainly not Sailor Moon. |
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2008-06-07, 02:10 | Link #940 | |
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I think Card Captor Sakura is the best anime ever created. If Comartemis thinks the same of Sailor Moon, more power to him. |
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