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Old 2008-06-12, 03:50   Link #61
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I'm not seeing that either. Everyone else on the bridge is doing their job, just as she is.
The difference? The military isn't her job, it's her entire life. Then again, that's the view of someone who watched the show 25 years ago and rewatches it every once in a while. Always serious and proper, and called an "Old Maid' by some of the pilots for scolding them when they get out of line . Thing is, it can be Hell on Earth [or Alien Invasion] or some other calamity but the one constant in Macross is an unusually calm and rational voice barking orders to the troops.

Misa breaks several archetypes and a number of glass ceilings throughout the show.

Whiny and frantic Bridge Bunny. Shot down in the first episode despite accidently sending a complete noob into a fight with unknown aliens.

Later she get's out of the bridge... but that's another story.

Cinderella. Needs rescuing from the 'Tower' at times. Otherwise, she's redefined ship to ship combat in the modern age >_< Let's not forget about the Nuke.

Too smart for her own good. As above. Now add Zentradi baiting The good part about it is when she has a good idea, a lot of people tend to live longer. She figured out what makes a Zentradi tick simply by observation, and was spot on in her theory. I suspect that her report on the effect of her demonstration would be very clinical.

And she's HOT. For about a dozen or so episodes I was thinking 'Old Maid', then she got very wet and her personality... changed. That's another favourite episode, next to a VF getting smashed in a scene that had me rooting for the enemy.
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Old 2008-06-12, 03:57   Link #62
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The difference? The military isn't her job, it's her entire life. Then again, that's the view of someone who watched the show 25 years ago and rewatches it every once in a while. Always serious and proper, and called an "Old Maid' by some of the pilots for scolding them when they get out of line . Thing is, it can be Hell on Earth [or Alien Invasion] or some other calamity but the one constant in Macross is an unusually calm and rational voice barking orders to the troops.

Misa breaks several archetypes and a number of glass ceilings throughout the show.

Whiny and frantic Bridge Bunny. Shot down in the first episode despite accidently sending a complete noob into a fight with unknown aliens.

Later she get's out of the bridge... but that's another story.

Cinderella. Needs rescuing from the 'Tower' at times. Otherwise, she's redefined ship to ship combat in the modern age >_< Let's not forget about the Nuke.

Too smart for her own good. As above. Now add Zentradi baiting The good part about it is when she has a good idea, a lot of people tend to live longer. She figured out what makes a Zentradi tick simply by observation, and was spot on in her theory. I suspect that her report on the effect of her demonstration would be very clinical.

And she's HOT. For about a dozen or so episodes I was thinking 'Old Maid', then she got very wet and her personality... changed. That's another favourite episode, next to a VF getting smashed in a scene that had me rooting for the enemy.
I think I'm just going to free up some harddrive space now...
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Old 2008-06-12, 07:27   Link #63
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They're not as obsessed with their jobs as she is.
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Old 2008-06-12, 09:00   Link #64
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I'm not seeing that either. Everyone else on the bridge is doing their job, just as she is.
The other Bridge Bunnies relax while on the Bridge. Claudia flirts and teases Roy and the Trio are frequently gossiping or making soto voice comments.

Even our Heroic Captain relaxes more on the bridge than she does.
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Old 2008-06-12, 16:41   Link #65
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Even our Heroic Captain relaxes more on the bridge than she does.
There's not a single person on Macross more stressed out than Global.

Frankly, I wish Misa wasn't being hyped up like this. I'm beginning to resent her as a Mary-Sue type character with all the bullcrap that's being laid at her feet.
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Old 2008-06-12, 17:36   Link #66
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Probably because she almost never panics in situations that would call for mass hysteria. Teleport to the wrong side of the solar system? That's okay, we still have rockets. Main guns don't work? I know, let's punch that ship in the head instead. Need someone to manually arm a nuke far from your exit point? [puts hand up]. Captured? Wow, perfect opportunity to continue the intelligence gathering mission- torture and interrogations notwithstanding. Giant alien threatening bodily harm? Antagonises them even more before setting up a 'Demonstration' . Seriously, this girl is all business. It's possible to hear the gears moving in her head until the Heroic BSOD appears.

Speaking of which, she also recovers very quickly from hurt, shock or indigination. Her fastboot mode is pretty effective. It's good enough to save Hikaru's life later after receiving a pretty big setback to achieving her mission objectives.

Chalk that up to a personal favourite performance by her VA. Didn't think it was possible to voice a cold and emotionless greeting to one's own father. 25 years on I can still remember that episode.
Well, to be fair, she knew they had Destroids... many of which were equipped with reaction missile launchers. So, given they couldn't shoot the missiles at the OUTSIDE of the ship and expect it to be destroyed, why not use the pinpoint barrier and a convenient launch platform you could assemble the Destroids in (Daedalus, with its lifting launch door) to deliver them? She was more a superior problem solver than a 'robot'. And one who constantly felt a need to prove herself, given her cool relationship with her father combined with his high rank meaning she'd have to work twice as hard to show others that she wasn't just getting along on Daddy's name.

Seriously, there's reasons why Misa was beloved by many fans - she could be, in today's terms, be described as a tsundere... but one more in the mold of Major Kusanagi than say... Naru Hasegawa.

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Frankly, I wish Misa wasn't being hyped up like this. I'm beginning to resent her as a Mary-Sue type character with all the bullcrap that's being laid at her feet.
No, definitely not a Mary Sue. Mary Sue characters are liked by everyone at the start - while our first impression as viewers of her as that she's a cold fish and a bitch, since she starts yelling at Roy and Hikaru at various points (when Hikaru's sleeping in the VF, after he starts crashing the first time, then at the two of them together once Roy rescues Hikaru from his death-grip with the Zent). Later episodes continue this impression, including the Lingerie Shop incident, as well as the battle around Saturn's rings... where she again chews Hikaru out for flying around some debris in a way that could make him visible to the Zentradi.

It's only after Mars Base that we see the other side of her; the vulnerable girl who fell in love with an older man (or at least had a really hard crush for him), then locked herself up in business for years. Until this snotty civilian pilot started getting under her skin, and began yelling at her instead of treating her with the respect due to her rank...

Sorta like a certain, long-haired pilot began to yell at a pink-haired idol, 25 years later. One whose introduction similiarly made her appear to be a diva of the worst sort, and a bitch to boot. Which made the scene of Cathy calling her a bitch under her breath even more ironic for the original fans of SDF Macross - Misa's visual copy calling someone who'd acted like Misa during her introduction the same thing.
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Old 2008-06-12, 17:46   Link #67
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There's not a single person on Macross more stressed out than Global.

Frankly, I wish Misa wasn't being hyped up like this.
This isn't hype. It is one of her limitations. At the start of the series she doesn't approve of the banter that goes on on the bridge because as far as we can tell she has to wrap herself in her martinet persona to carry out her duties, unlike Claudia who is confident enough in her position to be more comfortable about how she performs.

In the early episodes the nearest we see her to being relaxed on the bridge is her joke about using secondhand parts. And even that is more her usual dread irony and sarcasm than seeing the humour in the situation.

To begin with she isn't relaxed, she hasn't found her center and that throws off her decisions, especially where Hikaru is concerned. The scene where she overrides him about leaving Max to escort her recon plane for example.

In the early days it seems that she thinks that as the admiral's daughter she has to be better than every one and to do that she has to be hard and she doesn't understand why the other bridge crew don't see it as necessary to be cold and hard too. Mars is where she reaches the limit of her ability to wall herself in and she cracks under the strain.

The Captain manages stress better.
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Old 2008-06-12, 18:09   Link #68
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The Captain manages stress better.
So what Misa needs is a hat?
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Old 2008-06-12, 19:16   Link #69
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Ya know, with all these Misa talk, let us not forget that Misa's problems were largely personal, while the Captain had to bear the responsibility of some 50,000 lives aboard the Macross. Should he fail, well, there goes 50,000 people, humanity and everything else along with it.

Of course, the good Captain also had to occasionally tend to Misa's personal problem, which doesn't help the situation, that is in addition to Misa already being a workaholic. Some props for the Captain folks.

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Old 2008-06-12, 19:19   Link #70
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Ya know, with all these Misa talk, let us not forget that Misa's problems were largely personal, while the Captain had to bear the responsibility of some 50,000 lives aboard the Macross. Should he fail, well, there goes 50,000 people, humanity and everything else along with it.

Of course, the good Captain also had to occasionally tend to Misa's personal problem, which doesn't help the situation, that is in addition to Misa already being a workaholic. Some props for the Captain folks.

- Tak
I love Global. It's cute how uncomfortable he gets with all the young women around him.
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Old 2008-06-12, 20:11   Link #71
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Some props for the Captain folks.

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He's a bit more archetypical however. Being halfway between Bright and Okita and halfway between Harlock and Haddock on an orthogonal axis. About where Hijikata/Gideon is.

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So what Misa needs is a hat?
A hat didn't help Col. Maistrov.

The Hat of Command is something the True Captain wears on the inside. Like the younger Kodai or Lafiel she has to grow into it.
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Old 2008-06-12, 20:30   Link #72
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A hat didn't help Col. Maistrov.
There's also just no helping some people.

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Please never mention Lafiel in the context of command again. Fond memories of the time before is the only thing keeping me from lumping her in with her entire God-forsaken (not to mention hat-less) race.
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He's a bit more archetypical however. Being halfway between Bright and Okita and halfway between Harlock and Haddock on an orthogonal axis. About where Hijikata/Gideon is.
I don't care if he is half way west or 1/4 way north. He deserve props.


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Please never mention Lafiel in the context of command again. Fond memories of the time before is the only thing keeping me from lumping her in with her entire God-forsaken (not to mention hat-less) race.
You need to read the novels to fully appreciate her and ... her race

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I love Global. It's cute how uncomfortable he gets with all the young women around him.
No Smoking on the Bridge Captain! ()

Sometimes I really wonder who is the real Captain on the bridge of the SDF-1 In addition to the operational work, Misa put in a number of tactical insights that has saved the ship's collective asses time and again. Then again, she started the series as a LT and ended up as it's first expeditionary and colonisation fleet admiral. Now that's breaking the glass ceiling.

But the love here comes from how she isn't superhumanly perfect like Miriya or charismatic as Idol Minmay. Despite being apparently smarter than many of the characters combined, there are times when her lapses in judgement have proven to be dangerous [and for Canada-fatal >_<]. Half the fun is watching her fall down hard, the other half is how quickly she picks up the pieces and moves on. Girl works hard, and is harder on herself during times of weakness.

Have to agree on the classic definition of tsun-dere attached. She goes through the full range of human emotions from cold, jealous and vengeful to caring and playful [Misa+baby is ]. That's suprising because I never tagged the character to display all that in the beginning- probably explains her appeal to many.
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Old 2008-06-12, 21:08   Link #75
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I don't care if he is half way west or 1/4 way north. He deserve props.
I liked how he took orders from moneybags. I kept expecting him to cope an attitude, but he humbly did as he was told by the civilian head of the project. It's the only thing that makes sense considering he wouldn't be there if he didn't know how to take orders.

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I actually think I am one of the few that does, considering how easy it is to like them.
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You know, I'm surprised the name Macross isn't regarded as a curse, rather than an honorific. Think about it. The thing crash lands, flattening cities as it's hurtling through the atmosphere, probably killing thousands in the process. Then the world has the big idea of fighting WWIII over it, probably killing millions all in the name "unification". And on the day it's finally ready to launch, it probably kills thousands more when it's automatic defense system kicks in. Later, more thousands as it's fold system drags a pair of aircraft carriers into the depths of space (that was just a stupid useless move on Global's part).

I haven't finished the series yet, but I've read that ultimately the damn thing is responsible for killing off 99.9% of the human race!

But no, everyone in the future regards the frickin' thing as humanity's finest achievement, to be lauded and up held as a standard, rather than the greatest disaster in the history of mankind.

It'd only be due justice if the billions of dead and forgotten rose from their unmarked graves and had an orgy of supernaturally induced violence on what's left of humanity for being "culture"-obsesssed, depraved loons.
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You know, I'm surprised the name Macross isn't regarded as a curse, rather than an honorific. Think about it. The thing crash lands, flattening cities as it's hurtling through the atmosphere, probably killing thousands in the process. Then the world has the big idea of fighting WWIII over it, probably killing millions all in the name "unification". And on the day it's finally ready to launch, it probably kills thousands more when it's automatic defense system kicks in. Later, more thousands as it's fold system drags a pair of aircraft carriers into the depths of space (that was just a stupid useless move on Global's part).

I haven't finished the series yet, but I've read that ultimately the damn thing is responsible for killing off 99.9% of the human race!

But no, everyone in the future regards the frickin' thing as humanity's finest achievement, to be lauded and up held as a standard, rather than the greatest disaster in the history of mankind.

It'd only be due justice if the billions of dead and forgotten rose from their unmarked graves and had an orgy of supernaturally induced violence on what's left of humanity for being "culture"-obsesssed, depraveded loons.

It time to "Look at the Brighter Side of Life"

Metlandi- biggest improvement to the human race when they showed up and decided to stay. So what billions died in the process, those that remain have plenty of company who like us [and they're hot to boot].

The social change has been amazing. People marry young, are generally more responsible with children and have more of them. I'd say the survivors have it good when there's lots of willing partners [see above].

Humanity has become decidedly less violent and militant in the aftermath. Generally, the first contact response since then for near any alien race is to regale them with song and dance. It's only when that fails do the hardcore veteran units to show up with nukes, wave motion guns and a pissed off legion of giant warriors. I suspect that near any alien race meeting the colony fleets are in for some big suprises. Unless of course they cheat with mind control and automated weapons

Yes, the SDF-1 can be regarded as an icon of disaster: only if the survivors took it as such. Those who remained, however, thought themselves as successors to the culture of their race. It is that grace that allowed them to live on in a suddenly dangerous universe. Look at the result from the point of view of "I a worthy to exist because I have love and passion", and the crusade to spread that ideal to anything they meet.

Ya, very Abh-like [which is another favourite of mine].
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The survivors are jerk-offs who thought they were so awesome they should clone and have sex with themselves.
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The survivors are jerk-offs who thought they were so awesome they should clone and have sex with themselves.
Well ya, they did do that The results were- disappointing

Years later, the human-zentradi alliance had an even bigger influx of Metlandi converts [or is it Fangirls ] so the sex with themselves idea probably stopped.
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Well ya, they did do that The results were- disappointing

Years later, the human-zentradi alliance had an even bigger influx of Metlandi converts [or is it Fangirls ] so the sex with themselves idea probably stopped.
All the more reason they deserve a beat down by Miss Blood Socks and company. They're sleeping with the enemy and our race's murderers.
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