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Old 2008-06-24, 16:46   Link #2061
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Oh please this is getting nowhere.

Lelouch having power = GOOD
Suzaku having power = BAD

Lelouch wanting to kill his dad = GOOD
Suzaku killing his dad = BAD

Lelouch doing evil things = GOOD
Suzaku doing evil things = BAD

Lelouch succeeding in changing the world = GOOD
Suzaku succeeding in changing the world = BAD

Lelouch screentime = GOOD
Suzaku screentime = OMG DIE ALREADY

Lelouch gets excuses and praise whatever he does.
Suzaku gets hate and death threats whatever he does.

This is how things work here. Prove me wrong. I don't know why we're even bothering.
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Old 2008-06-24, 16:46   Link #2062
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There is no such thing as too soon to garner support, if anything having more support for reforms would strengthen is position. But I have already stated what I thought on this and my stance doesn't really change.
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Old 2008-06-24, 16:48   Link #2063
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Oh please this is getting nowhere.

Lelouch having power = GOOD
Suzaku having power = BAD

Lelouch wanting to kill his dad = GOOD
Suzaku killing his dad = BAD

Lelouch doing evil things = GOOD
Suzaku doing evil things = BAD

Lelouch succeeding in changing the world = GOOD
Suzaku succeeding in changing the world = BAD

Lelouch screentime = GOOD
Suzaku screentime = OMG DIE ALREADY

Lelouch gets excuses and praise whatever he does.
Suzaku gets hate and death threats whatever he does.

This is how things work here. Prove me wrong. I don't know why we're even bothering.
LMAO your exactly right you should just hold onto what you just posted and try to find the reasons/logic behind and you will be alright in live

Anyway problem is my friend suzaku lost the trust of the japanese a long time ago. There people trying to kill him on brits bases. I mean that for me shows how much your hated.
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Old 2008-06-24, 16:49   Link #2064
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About the round of One i'd give 2 shit if he is round of 1 or round of 100000000.
The Knight of One has complete control over any region he wants. That is a significant difference.

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Its pretty obvious it wont make a difference if he is 1 or 10 he will only be busy taking zero down. Why can others make a difference with just being who you are and he needs a damn number for fuck sake he can at least do something to make a difference at this point.
No he can't. He really doesn't have much power in the Political aspects of things yet. He can't do shit.

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the guy is obviously a war maniac.
Not just Tamaki. Everyone was also pissed that Deithard got such a high position in teh Black Knights just because he is Britannian. They are all racist in their own ways.
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Old 2008-06-24, 16:51   Link #2065
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LMAO your exactly right you should just hold onto what you just posted and try to find the reasons/logic behind and you will be alright in live
No sir, because the way I see it, no one in Code Geass is completely black or white, right or wrong, good or evil. That's what actually makes it interesting.

But you apparently like it better with Suzaku hate so enjoy your bashing and don't mind me while I ignore your lovely posts and enjoy my show.
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Old 2008-06-24, 16:54   Link #2066
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The Knight of One has complete control over any region he wants. That is a significant difference.

No he can't. He really doesn't have much power in the Political aspects of things yet. He can't do shit.
Suzaku is still the Knight of Seven, a respected position that obviously still carries some authority. The Knight of One may have complete control over any region he wants, but he it is still outside his authority to affect any change pertaining to the Britannian system. If anything Suzaku should be preparing for when he becomes Knight of One by gathering support for change, his lack of action to doing anything other then going after the title of Knight of One is what makes me think he does not have much of a plan and therefore less likely to succeed.
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Old 2008-06-24, 16:55   Link #2067
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There is no such thing as too soon to garner support, if anything having more support for reforms would strengthen is position. But I have already stated what I thought on this and my stance doesn't really change.
It is hard to garner support when nobody wants to listen. The Britannians don't listen because Zero is around wanting to destroy them, and the Elevens aren't going to listen since most of them don't trust Suzaku or Britannia in general anymore due to that massacre (which wasn't even their fault.) How can anything be done if Zero is still running around preventing change from being accepted?
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Old 2008-06-24, 16:58   Link #2068
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Anyway problem is my friend suzaku lost the trust of the japanese a long time ago. There people trying to kill him on brits bases. I mean that for me shows how much your hated.
Geez, and I wonder how this happened. I seem to remember something about quite a few Japanese looking up to him when Euphie created the SAZ. But then something happened that made them see that other guy as a savior, I think the name was Zero...can't recall the exact circumstances though...
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Old 2008-06-24, 16:58   Link #2069
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The Knight of One has complete control over any region he wants. That is a significant difference.
yeah right till brittania invades it again

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No he can't. He really doesn't have much power in the Political aspects of things yet. He can't do shit.
yeah right, you mean to tell me he cant do nothing the way he is now is just funny. We cant change the course of what will happen in the show. But its pretty obivous with that status and power you can make a difference if you want to.

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Not just Tamaki. Everyone was also pissed that Deithard got such a high position in teh Black Knights just because he is Britannian. They are all racist in their own ways.
dude you have a different view of what racist is then me. Obviously the ones in OoBK treat and view him diethard differently. Its also obviously what the OoBK stands for. Whenever you see brits you hear them whispering he is a 11 bla bla how dirty etc.

The only thing OoBK said why he gets that position can we trust him etc.

What your saying is. If in the time of 130 a white guy went to a bar where black people go they are like WTf is he doing here then suddenlt black people are racist.

please make the discussion more confusing with stuff thatd ont add up. OoBK obviously arent racists. They are the group that opposes that.

@Eliarine if your gonna say something hold yourself upto that pls. in Season 1 you had 2 types of people the ones who basically gave into the oppression and were living with the brits doing the dirty work sorta speak and the ones who were fighting in sub-urbs. Those ones you talk of who look up to suzaku were the ones living with the brits. However lulu has always been looked up by all the Japanese people
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:00   Link #2070
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Suzaku is still the Knight of Seven, a respected position that obviously still carries some authority. The Knight of One may have complete control over any region he wants, but he it is still outside his authority to affect any change pertaining to the Britannian system. If anything Suzaku should be preparing for when he becomes Knight of One by gathering support for change, his lack of action to doing anything other then going after the title of Knight of One is what makes me think he does not have much of a plan and therefore less likely to succeed.
Of course he is... But he still has to follow orders and being his Majesty's closest knight (I guess he is, since the others don't know about the Geass) he gets a few I guess.
Besides he has a definite goal now, so perhaps he has connections now? Or a more fleshed out plan...
We didn't really see anything about him apart from his clashes with Zero and the black knights.
And several of Zero's plans were only revealed after it was all over...
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:02   Link #2071
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It is hard to garner support when nobody wants to listen. The Britannians don't listen because Zero is around wanting to destroy them, and the Elevens aren't going to listen since most of them don't trust Suzaku or Britannia in general anymore due to that massacre (which wasn't even their fault.) How can anything be done if Zero is still running around preventing change from being accepted?
Well Suzaku has a great chance now that Zero is gone from Britannia, he also took the people that were discontent and unwilling to live under Britannia rule. And Eleven support is quite irrelevant, since essentially they have no power in how Britannia is governed.

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Of course he is... But he still has to follow orders and being his Majesty's closest knight (I guess he is, since the others don't know about the Geass) he gets a few I guess.
Besides he has a definite goal now, so perhaps he has connections now? Or a more fleshed out plan...
We didn't really see anything about him apart from his clashes with Zero and the black knights.
And several of Zero's plans were only revealed after it was all over...
He still has to follow orders after becoming Knight of One, infact it may even be worst since the Knight of One is officially the Emperor's knight, he would still have to follow the Emperor's orders.

He has a goal, a goal that has not been shown to make any headway in the year that he became Knight of Seven. Fact is he still has not been shown to have much of a plan and seems to be mainly concerned with helping to project Britannia's dominance and fighting Zero.
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:04   Link #2072
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"Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes. I'll see you later." Just a quote from a book about revolutions discussion earlier that I just had to put in, though it might be a bit late now.
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:05   Link #2073
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Well Suzaku has a great chance now that Zero is gone from Britannia, he also took the people that were discontent and unwilling to live under Britannia rule. And Eleven support is quite irrelevant, since essentially they have no power in how Britannia is governed.
The problem that arises is that Suzaku seems hellbent on pursuing Zero until he had defeated him. It is true that with Zero fighting amongst the other world powers would have given Suzaku a chance to change Britannia, even if only a little, he opted to instead chase Zero.
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:06   Link #2074
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yeah right till brittania invades it again
That makes no sense at all. Suzaku would be governor of a region. He is STILL part of the Britannian government. He will just be able to do what he wants to help teh country from then on.

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yeah right, you mean to tell me he cant do nothing the way he is now is just funny. We cant change the course of what will happen in the show. But its pretty obivous with that status and power you can make a difference if you want to.
Right now the only thing he has control over are military affairs. He can't do anything about the politics of Britannia. If he could, he would have by now and we have only seen him in action in military campaigns, not in the field of politics. That would change when he becomes Knight of One.

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dude you have a different view of what racist is then me. Obviously the ones in OoBK treat and view him diethard differently. Its also obviously what the OoBK stands for. Whenever you see brits you hear them whispering he is a 11 bla bla how dirty etc.
No, everyone in the Black Knights stand for different things. All have different philosophies that sometimes clash with Lelouch's. Deithard made it perfectly clear why everyone was there working together even though they disagree (check Episode 18 or 18, forget which one it is) he says they are there because of results. Not all of them view things like Lelouch does, and a lot of them probably hate Britannians just as much as some Britannians hate them.
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:06   Link #2075
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Of course he is... But he still has to follow orders and being his Majesty's closest knight (I guess he is, since the others don't know about the Geass) he gets a few I guess.
Besides he has a definite goal now, so perhaps he has connections now? Or a more fleshed out plan...
We didn't really see anything about him apart from his clashes with Zero and the black knights.
And several of Zero's plans were only revealed after it was all over...
well what demon_god04 is saying is my point. The show does not show that he has something in plan for japan or what he wanna do its all in his mind. If he did he would already had started set things in motion which would make me believe that he is doing something.
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:08   Link #2076
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The problem that arises is that Suzaku seems hellbent on pursuing Zero until he had defeated him. It is true that with Zero fighting amongst the other world powers would have given Suzaku a chance to change Britannia, even if only a little, he opted to instead chase Zero.
Which just inforces the fact that Suzaku does not really want to "change the system from within" and rather is still using that as an excuse.
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:08   Link #2077
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@Eliarine if your gonna say something hold yourself upto that pls. in Season 1 you had 2 types of people the ones who basically gave into the oppression and were living with the brits doing the dirty work sorta speak and the ones who were fighting in sub-urbs. Those ones you talk of who look up to suzaku were the ones living with the brits. However lulu has always been looked up by all the Japanese people
Oh, my bad, I never knew there were official polls on who liked Suzaku or not in the series. You're obviously a lot more informed than me so I will shut up about the people who weren't fighting in the suburbs because they were not Japanese apparently.
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:10   Link #2078
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Oh please this is getting nowhere.

Lelouch having power = GOOD
Suzaku having power = BAD

Lelouch wanting to kill his dad = GOOD
Suzaku killing his dad = BAD

Lelouch doing evil things = GOOD
Suzaku doing evil things = BAD

Lelouch succeeding in changing the world = GOOD
Suzaku succeeding in changing the world = BAD

Lelouch screentime = GOOD
Suzaku screentime = OMG DIE ALREADY

Lelouch gets excuses and praise whatever he does.
Suzaku gets hate and death threats whatever he does.

This is how things work here. Prove me wrong. I don't know why we're even bothering.
Well that is pretty general and vague. I am going to skip the first one for now and go to the second one. Lelouch wanting to kill his dad is justified if you think otherwise please explain because I would love to hear it. While on other hand Suzaku killed his dad out of his own because he thought it was the correcting thing to do as Japan was in war and he wanted end the war. However this was what Suzaku himself thought and in the end Japan surrender. Basically he thought he was the doing the right thing without thinking of the opinion of other Japanese.
The third one, Lelouch's reason for his evil doing is for his sister. Suzaku is doing what he is doing because he think he is just and correct. Really and Suzaku is contradicting himself as he himself does not want violence and yet he kills other. Not only that Suzaku seems to not to care about common people, especially looking at the most recent episode.

The fourth one, well Suzaku does not want to change the world but he just want to stabilize Japan. And let's be honest letting Brittania do what it is doing isn't exactly good. And the final one yes let Suzaku die already .
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:11   Link #2079
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Which just inforces the fact that Suzaku does not really want to "change the system from within" and rather is still using that as an excuse.
That is just looking at the character wrong I think. He didn't go to China just to find Zero and kill him or defeat him. He went there to protect Schneizel and it just so happened that Zero showed up to crash the party. He could have had him killed right there if he wanted to, but he didn't.
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Old 2008-06-24, 17:16   Link #2080
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That is just looking at the character wrong I think. He didn't go to China just to find Zero and kill him or defeat him. He went there to protect Schneizel and it just so happened that Zero showed up to crash the party. He could have had him killed right there if he wanted to, but he didn't.
He also had a year after the black rebellion, yet did not make any headway what so ever. And in China he has shown more emotion regarding Zero than he has about his supposed goal. He did not make a move against Zero because basically Schneizel and Zero went to play chess, Suzaku was the first one to jump in front of Schneizel to shield him from Zero though. They were also in a foreign country as guests and would be overstepping their authority should they try anything on Zero.
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