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Old 2008-07-02, 18:19   Link #2201
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Old 2008-07-02, 18:47   Link #2202
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It's the calm before the storm. Just watch, someone in here is going to accuse me of trying to turn Nanoha into Dragonball Z for putting ki in Comacanon and t3h shit shall hit the fan in short order as everyone else joins in a thread-wide game of Whack-a-Coma.
Bleh, I see no reason to play Whack-a-coma, I just find porting Ki in Nanoha to be completely useless. Belkan mages virtually are Ki users already, and adding Ki to a show centered around magic doesn't atract me at all, so I'll just handwave it as a MSN crossover gone haywire and let it pass, no reasons for hissy fits if other authors see the merrits where I don't.
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Old 2008-07-02, 18:59   Link #2203
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Bleh, I see no reason to play Whack-a-coma, I just find porting Ki in Nanoha to be completely useless. Belkan mages virtually are Ki users already, and adding Ki to a show centered around magic doesn't atract me at all, so I'll just handwave it as a MSN crossover gone haywire and let it pass, no reasons for hissy fits if other authors see the merrits where I don't.
Well at the front, one of the guidelines did say something along the lines of "no DBZ" and all, but meh.

W/e works XD
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Old 2008-07-02, 18:59   Link #2204
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Belkan mages virtually are Ki users already
Never thought of it that way.

/still ponder how to adapt berserk rage, as shown in D&D or Diablo 2, in Nanoverse.

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Old 2008-07-02, 19:20   Link #2205
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Never thought of it that way.
It's a style that focusses on physical reinforcment, and requires physical training. Its users are pretty much martial artists...

Heck, what am I saying, Belkan knights are the ki-users of Nanoha.

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/still ponder how to adapt berserk rage, as shown in D&D or Diablo 2, in Nanoverse.
Adrenaline driven berserker rages are here already, Vita in A's and Subaru in StrikerS come to mind. Especially Subaru.
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Old 2008-07-02, 19:36   Link #2206
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Adrenaline driven berserker rages are here already, Vita in A's and Subaru in StrikerS come to mind. Especially Subaru.
I think I'll go the Warp Spasm or historical berserker route, maybe a bit shamanic. Remember San in her first appearance in Mononoke Hime? We could only see her mask and hood, and it was very animal-like. When the frontier between the man and animal is blurred, when the berserker can't even talk but just howl and growl like a raging wolf or bear, that's something I found more impressive.
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Old 2008-07-02, 19:42   Link #2207
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Since Belkan users are essentially Ki users, and since they're all one in the same, just make them Belkan. Besides, if you're having people throwing around fireballs just from shounen power, Comar, then it's no longer quite Nanoverse.

Keep it in Comacanon if you want, but note that I feel the idea is rather silly and pointless since we already have the equivalents in Belkan users.

Also ki doesn't always mean DBZ, it just refers to that internal magical energy force that powers your magic spells and assists your martial arts.

And on a slightly humorous tangent, the malay equivalent term for ki, tenaga batin, also is used to refer to the kind of power that's charged up by popping Viagra.
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Old 2008-07-02, 20:18   Link #2208
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Dwah?! Okay that CANNOT be a coincidence...
No worries man, I'm just as surprised as you are!

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You have to be very twisted to compute Ky Kiske with genderbent Fate. Yes, they are blondes, yes they have lightning affinity but it kinda stop here.
That's because you know who Ky is in person. Now block all your background knowledge off, and stare at the picture alone. You see a blonde with a black-hemmed white cape do you?

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Holy Fires Kha and Psychic Screams him off a cliff
Only that Psychic Scream breaks at the edge before I start sliding off. Like the nerfed Mind Control.

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So...you're going to have Jail die/nearly die and then revive though a backup plan he had ready as a DeathKnight?
I had that as a plan. It was back in Twist's Fate ~Nanoha Must Die~, where Kha was finally overcome by guilt and slayed Jail, only to have him mysteriously return to life some time later, as a Death Knight (who called himself the Lich King) surrounded by undead Numbers. Zest was an earlier success at creating a Death Knight who eventually followed Lutecia into Kha's campaign, but it was hinted that Jail had used that twisted Project F-esque technique to revive himself.

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You score yet another hit!

Though, the spell works rather differently, so it's only a partial score.

*goes to check whether Anita has somehow managed to get Profeitin Shrifti to do Kha's biddings, giving his prophetic powers*
Only because in WoW magic is not linked. StrikerS' the first time I heard that magic can be targeted because of this linking!

But think of it closely. Under the protection of AMF, the Gadgets take less damage, even nullify it completely doesn't it?

And so, it works in one way in WoW, and became even more h4xx in Nanoha.

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<.<

>.>

*Drops a package and RUNS LIKE THE WIND!*

Spoiler for Ki Adepts: Masters of the Inner Flame:
I have to agree with the others. There's no real problem in the concept itself, but from what it seems, its basically a more fundamental version of Belka physical combat, without the more advanced magic. In fact, many Belka knights I believe due to their lack of power spec wholly into enchanced physical combat, and to compare with Naruto end up as little "Maito Gai"s, and in doing so, would basically count as Adepts in your scenario. There are some parts where there are difference, but for the core of the system, its Belka with different name.

Maybe you intend this for a different culture? After all, there has been cases of different cultures arriving at the same conclusion when attempting to solve the same problem.

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It's the calm before the storm. Just watch, someone in here is going to accuse me of trying to turn Nanoha into Dragonball Z for putting ki in Comacanon and t3h shit shall hit the fan in short order as everyone else joins in a thread-wide game of Whack-a-Coma.
*whacks Comar because he asked for it*
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Old 2008-07-02, 21:16   Link #2209
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The crack...oh the crack...

And I thnk Kha might appreciate this

Spoiler for Idol:
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Old 2008-07-02, 21:18   Link #2210
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The point of putting in ki in the first place is partially to try to lay the grounds for Shinmei-ryu and Kankahō. It's not DBZ I'm aiming for so much as Negima, and I really like the idea of having Asuna somehow unlock Kankahō at some point in the future, which necessitates having both ki and mana in order for the combo to work. It's also supposed to be Asuna's "magic system".

After I put a lot of thought into this, I came to the conclusion that the easiest route to take to get Asuna where I want her to be would be to kill Asuna's linker core (or make it "latent" as Kha would put it) as the trade-off for her abilities as a complete magic canceler to keep her from being overly haxxed. This is a believable (at least I think so) way to accomplish that and keep her skill set relatively close to what she had in Negima, just ramped up somewhat to match your typical hero-class Belkan knight.

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Maybe you intend this for a different culture? After all, there has been cases of different cultures arriving at the same conclusion when attempting to solve the same problem.
It is mentioned in the text block that ki is used by people in multiple universes (developed separately, mind you, not by exchanging notes with each other), so yes, alternate cultures like an ancient Japan-based society would be more likely to spawn Adepts than highly magical societies like Mid-Childa or Belka.

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And on a slightly humorous tangent, the malay equivalent term for ki, tenaga batin, also is used to refer to the kind of power that's charged up by popping Viagra.
Where's my harisen when I need it? I feel like a tsukkomi for some reason.

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*Coma ducks down and pops back up elsewhere!*
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Old 2008-07-02, 21:28   Link #2211
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The crack...oh the crack...

And I thnk Kha might appreciate this

Spoiler for Idol:

You know, I think I know how the Zents felt during that concert.....

DECULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 2008-07-02, 23:55   Link #2212
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No I'm just showing my surprise that the Otome of Earl show up in the Nanoverse.
Earlian Otome are a far relation to the mages and knights of Midchilda

- and yes, this introduction is also related to my Nanoha ficverse

you don't wanna know the dark secrets

And rule of (my) thumb.

This is the Nanoverse, were anything and everything will appear, sooner or later.

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I agree it seems a little to advanced, and with stuff like healingspells and other kinds of magic available they are not really necessary.
well not really, magic and technology can combine to be an even greater force

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Ok... the name 'Otome' suggests a all female unit...
But you could put a trap in there! That would be fun!
I have exhausted all my Trap cards already...

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So...you're going to have Jail die/nearly die and then revive though a backup plan he had ready as a DeathKnight?
Or grab that Conveniently placed Runeblade...
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Old 2008-07-03, 00:37   Link #2213
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The crack...oh the crack...

And I thnk Kha might appreciate this

Spoiler for Idol:
DECULTURE!!!

Yes I'd appreciated it. Singing Fate always computes.

In fact...
Spoiler for Commencing Continuation!:


*RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNZ at epic flying speed*

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It is mentioned in the text block that ki is used by people in multiple universes (developed separately, mind you, not by exchanging notes with each other), so yes, alternate cultures like an ancient Japan-based society would be more likely to spawn Adepts than highly magical societies like Mid-Childa or Belka.

*Coma ducks down and pops back up elsewhere!*
Ah I see...

*whacks the new area*
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Old 2008-07-03, 00:40   Link #2214
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Here's a thought that just occurred to me that might make the creation of ki completely unnecessary if it's used right;

What if I made Asuna into a prototype of Vivio? That is, an attempt to piece together the genetic data that spawned the Saint's Armor, created by the same scientists who created Vivio? Asuna would be a predecessor of Vivio by several years, the last and most successful attempt at recreating the Saint's Armor prior to the scientists receiving the genetic data on the Shroud of the Saint King from Jail. Her version of the Saint's Armor wouldn't be as complete as Vivio's is, so instead of providing total protection against both magical and physical damage, Asuna's only nullifies magic damage.

She would be rescued, of course, by Nagi Springfield and the Ala Alba, a group of mages working for the Saint Church investigating rumors connected to vandalisms and robberies of holy sites, or something of that nature. She would then be turned over to the Church for safekeeping and grow up to become a Knight of the Church.

Also, take notice: Asuna and Vivio both have heterochromia. But where their left eyes are different colors (blue for Asuna, red for Vivio), both of them have green right eyes. Coincidence? Or perhaps a quirk caused by having similar genetic data?
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Old 2008-07-03, 02:49   Link #2215
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Here's a thought that just occurred to me that might make the creation of ki completely unnecessary if it's used right;

What if I made Asuna into a prototype of Vivio? That is, an attempt to piece together the genetic data that spawned the Saint's Armor, created by the same scientists who created Vivio? Asuna would be a predecessor of Vivio by several years, the last and most successful attempt at recreating the Saint's Armor prior to the scientists receiving the genetic data on the Shroud of the Saint King from Jail. Her version of the Saint's Armor wouldn't be as complete as Vivio's is, so instead of providing total protection against both magical and physical damage, Asuna's only nullifies magic damage.

She would be rescued, of course, by Nagi Springfield and the Ala Alba, a group of mages working for the Saint Church investigating rumors connected to vandalisms and robberies of holy sites, or something of that nature. She would then be turned over to the Church for safekeeping and grow up to become a Knight of the Church.

Also, take notice: Asuna and Vivio both have heterochromia. But where their left eyes are different colors (blue for Asuna, red for Vivio), both of them have green right eyes. Coincidence? Or perhaps a quirk caused by having similar genetic data?
*rubs throbbing temples*

I'd prefer that Asuna is someone else than Vivio's clone. As it is, canon is oversimplifying most cloning processes already, and seeing yet another clone from the same genetic procedure that predates the current one is not going down well with me.

Plus, it's inherently impossible to just do a random alignment of genetic codes and hope that it miraculously coincide with the result intended. Without prior originals as a base, geneticists definitely would not waste time and resources finding the right combination for the said skill. The human genome has three billion bases, and if we even consider that a working sequence takes about a thousand basepairs, the probability of finding the correct combination is close to zilch. That, and the freaking huge permutations involved, you do the math yourself.
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Fact is that Jail has said that he scattered the genetic information, so seeing more Seiou clones is not outside the realm of possibility.

That being said, I don't like the prototype idea myself either.
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Old 2008-07-03, 02:59   Link #2217
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Here's a thought that just occurred to me that might make the creation of ki completely unnecessary if it's used right;

What if I made Asuna into a prototype of Vivio? That is, an attempt to piece together the genetic data that spawned the Saint's Armor, created by the same scientists who created Vivio? Asuna would be a predecessor of Vivio by several years, the last and most successful attempt at recreating the Saint's Armor prior to the scientists receiving the genetic data on the Shroud of the Saint King from Jail. Her version of the Saint's Armor wouldn't be as complete as Vivio's is, so instead of providing total protection against both magical and physical damage, Asuna's only nullifies magic damage.

She would be rescued, of course, by Nagi Springfield and the Ala Alba, a group of mages working for the Saint Church investigating rumors connected to vandalisms and robberies of holy sites, or something of that nature. She would then be turned over to the Church for safekeeping and grow up to become a Knight of the Church.

Also, take notice: Asuna and Vivio both have heterochromia. But where their left eyes are different colors (blue for Asuna, red for Vivio), both of them have green right eyes. Coincidence? Or perhaps a quirk caused by having similar genetic data?
Personally, this just erks me. I see nothing wrong with it, but the ideas behind it are too... cheap?
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Old 2008-07-03, 03:06   Link #2218
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Personally, this just erks me. I see nothing wrong with it, but the ideas behind it are too... cheap?
Well, "Prototype" is usually a plot excuse for Mary Sue-ing up a character. After all, Sol Badguy was the prototype of all Gears and was accused of being a Mary Sue (not to mention that Daisuke has made it clear that sol is partially based on himself). And don't get me started on Gundam prototypes that are ALL assumed to be better than their production models. IRL, a prototype will be more flawed than production models.
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Fact is that Jail has said that he scattered the genetic information, so seeing more Seiou clones is not outside the realm of possibility.
This is all right, but Comartemis's premise is basically an almost perfect clone before they even received the genetic data. Note below:

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Asuna would be a predecessor of Vivio by several years, the last and most successful attempt at recreating the Saint's Armor prior to the scientists receiving the genetic data on the Shroud of the Saint King from Jail.
This throws very unpleasant thoughts my way.
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Old 2008-07-03, 03:20   Link #2220
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This is all right, but Comartemis's premise is basically an almost perfect clone before they even received the genetic data. Note below:



This throws very unpleasant thoughts my way.
As it does my way DX
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