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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 13 Rating
Perfect 10 58 51.33%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 35 30.97%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 11 9.73%
7 out of 10 : Good 2 1.77%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 2.65%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.88%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.88%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 1.77%
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:11   Link #61
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RIP

Just when you thought these guys are going help in the end, Grace kills them all.

Something tells me Grace isn't human or a mere cyborg at all but an AI.

In Macross Plus people were fine with sentient AI but AI with illegal emotion chips were considered dangerous.


Grace doesn't care if you're human, Zentran or Vajra.
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:18   Link #62
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RIP

Just when you thought these guys are going help in the end, Grace kills them all.

Something tells me Grace isn't human or a mere cyborg at all but an AI.

In Macross Plus people were fine with sentient AI but AI with illegal emotion chips were considered dangerous.


Grace doesn't care if you're human, Zentran or Vajra.
* dances to some Sharon Apple music. Information High .... woot!
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:18   Link #63
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I was hoping that even if Grace has ulterior motives, she'd have a different agenda that won't be at the expense of Sheryl's life. But MEH to Grace.
Yeah, she was always a very suspicious character but I didn't think she wanted Sheryl dead. O___O

I'm really curious as to what her true motives/plans are exactly. Though since she wants Sheryl gone, I hope someone kills her eventually. That'll be difficult though with her being a cyborg, she can easily switch bodies.
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:19   Link #64
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Leon is such a girly man. What kind of guy files their nails during a meeting?

The cute little green thing grew arms! It's still cute though, in a kinda weirder way.
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:22   Link #65
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Leon is such a girly man. What kind of guy files their nails during a meeting?

The cute little green thing grew arms! It's still cute though, in a kinda weirder way.
Let's wait a few more weeks and discuss about whether or not it's still cute, by then
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:28   Link #66
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The cute little green thing grew arms! It's still cute though, in a kinda weirder way.
Who knows, but the thing seems to grow as the episodes progress.

Will it evolve into a queen vajra? The color scheme matches.

Hmm, on the one hand, it could turn against Ranka, to resolve Ranka's determination to kill them all, to resolve Ranka's will to sacrifice. On the other hand, it could be the key to defeating the Vs or it will save Ranka in the process due to the power of friendship. Or, it will save the humans due to the relationship between Vajra and human (Ranka.) It's too broad for me to speculate, so I'm not gonna say anything for now.
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:28   Link #67
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Did the Macross ship turned into a Vajra one? =/
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:31   Link #68
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Levels of Vajra pokemon.

Level 1 - cute green legless squirrel like critter.

Level 2 - Same as level 1 with legs.

Level 3 - Has mini armor 2 legs and 3 eyes.

Level 4 - Yellow cannon fodder type.

Level 5 - Red anti-capital ship type.

Level 6 - Queen Vajra.



This episode actually confirms my speculation that the Guantanamo which was infested was that Macross' escort ship.

Ships Vajra capture are turned to nests.


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Did the Macross ship turned into a Vajra one? =/
The Vajra pretty much wrecked the innards and all that is left of the Global were it's outer hull.
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:49   Link #69
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Just realized it wasn't the SDF-1 when roan wrote about the VF-X 2 in the speculations thread. Anyway, I guess the plot is moving in the same way as M7. Hopefully this series is also going to be epic.
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Old 2008-07-03, 14:53   Link #70
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You mean the Macross 13?

The gamefaq was way off as it was 13 that had the FCS and blew up.
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Old 2008-07-03, 15:04   Link #71
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Alto and Ranka went in front of a Vajra's nest? Wonderful!
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Old 2008-07-03, 15:48   Link #72
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Grace.. I wanna see her dead, I wanna rip her in two. I knew from the beginning that something isn't right with her and now we all know the reason.

Interesting episode, with all the heavy battle next episode (and probably also the episodes after that) I wonder when some of the main characters will die. Not that I want that but I have this feeling..
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Old 2008-07-03, 16:31   Link #73
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I really was surprised by this ep. to me it was one of those WTF ep. . I'm still trying to figure out WTF was Grace doing. I think her mission was to keep the Vajra waking up. But she didn't have to take out the entire base full Zentradi to do it. Then what's with Brera why in the hell was he getting in Alto's way when Alto was trying to save Ranka. This ep. left me a lot of questions?

1. Who in the hell did Grace work for?
2. Is this the last we'll see of Grace? Probly not.
3. What happen to Michael and Sheryl?
4. How is Alto going to tell Ozma that Ranka got captured by the Vajra? Most likely Ozma will beat down Alto for letting his sister get captured by the enemy. Even though it wasn't Alto fault that Ranka. He'll probly be to pissed to here the entire account of how she got captured.
5. Why was Brera there?
6. What will Sheryl do now? Since Grace set her up to die when she took out the base?
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Old 2008-07-03, 16:56   Link #74
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Judging from this ep, she's charging, and charging up good.

After watching this episode, I place all my bets on Westlo coming here and saying : 80/20 Sheryl.
Oh you know me too well I actually haven't seen the episode yet but everything I've read about it seems to be setting Sheryl up as the one watching from the distance and going through pain. Usually this person ends up winning and to Ani_D that's not based on Kawamori history that's based on the majority of romantic shows.
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Old 2008-07-03, 17:52   Link #75
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RIP

Just when you thought these guys are going help in the end, Grace kills them all.
At least they got to hear Ranka sing before they died.

Now that the midden has hit the windmill, will Ranka even get a chance to do her first live...?
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Old 2008-07-03, 17:59   Link #76
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Kinda ironic how last episode I (and others) were going, "hmm, maybe Grace did something to ensure Sheryl was ill" and now she like "Die Sheryl die, muahaha" and come out as an evil ninja android or something...

I suspect that Leon wants a nice little rallying cry to unite people under his control - "sob, sob, they killed Sheryl... now shut up and do what I say". I guess this explains why Grace didn't seem annoyed for Ranka to turn up and save the day (I was kinda curious about that and kinda miss-directed me into thinking she was nicer than she looked), since it ultimately wasn't going to make much difference. I wonder if part of the plan was to destroy some evidence about the research fleet as well (kill two birds with one stone)...?
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Old 2008-07-03, 18:01   Link #77
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1. Who in the hell did Grace work for?
2. Is this the last we'll see of Grace? Probly not.
3. What happen to Michael and Sheryl?
4. How is Alto going to tell Ozma that Ranka got captured by the Vajra? Most likely Ozma will beat down Alto for letting his sister get captured by the enemy. Even though it wasn't Alto fault that Ranka. He'll probly be to pissed to here the entire account of how she got captured.
5. Why was Brera there?
6. What will Sheryl do now? Since Grace set her up to die when she took out the base?
1) a 4th party? blue cosmos
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Old 2008-07-03, 18:10   Link #78
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So...now that Grace has been outed as the "bad guy", and Sheryl definitely suspects something is amiss with Grace and how her illness came about, where does this leave Sheryl in the whole scheme of things?

1. She can't go back to Galaxy, since it's assumed to be destroyed (well, no one from Frontier has gone over the check).
2. She just lost her manager, who just blew up a whole planet and herself along with it. Sure, Grace could do a Cylon and download to a new body, but she'll have a lot of explaining to do to Sheryl.
3. Since it looks like the action is going to heat up again, her music career is probably at a standstill right now.

I kinda laughed it off when someone suggested earlier that she was going to join SMS or something when she joined Alto's school, but more and more I'm starting to think that it just might happen. She is really starting to remind me of Misa, what with her grabbing the plane controls and all. On top of that, ep13 looks like it's going to mirror the Hikaru / Misa / Max adventures on the Zentradi ship, except this time it's Sheryl / Michael / Ranka.

Something tells me that Sheryl's not going to be the type to sit back and do nothing will things unfold around her. So if she's not singing, I'm guessing that she's going to be in the thick of the action somehow.

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Old 2008-07-03, 18:13   Link #79
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3. What happen to Michael and Sheryl?
They most likely folded with the Vajra capital ships. Alto and Ranka well there are several different possibilities for them in the future.

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When I saw Grace do what she did, I couldn't help but think of Belldandy going apeshit on Keiichi and co (same Seiyuu). She can voice such a Goddess so innocently but can also manipulate her voice to do a complete psychopath. Skill... its wonderful, yet scary.
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Old 2008-07-03, 18:17   Link #80
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First thing, this was a very interesting episode. But it should be obvious the SDF-1 was an older-generation Macross-class. Not the vaunted Battle 7, 13, Frontier or Galaxy. After all, the SDF-1 Macross is a relic by this point, I highly doubt, if it can serve other purposes beyond an enshrined museum.

Ranka ended up like Sara Nome in Zero. Anyone by this point should notice the resemblance immediately.

Not sure why Grace wanted to kill Sheryl though. If she wanted to, she could have done it a long time ago, but we'll see.

Ranka's kidnapping reminded me of Minmei's own kidnapping in DYRL, only to involve Misa and Kaifun as the latter two came to the rescue.

Er, and don't mess with Quran.

Its nice to know the next episode will involve a fleet vs fleet battle, at last.

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When I saw Grace do what she did, I couldn't help but think of Belldandy going apeshit on Keiichi and co (same Seiyuu). She can voice such a Goddess so innocently but can also manipulate her voice to do a complete psychopath. Skill... its wonderful, yet scary.
Er, don't forget Luca's VA. He is after all, Zero Then there are Sōichirō Hoshi and Rie Tanaka

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