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Old 2004-04-18, 18:28   Link #61
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For me, Macross. Never liked it.
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Old 2004-04-18, 18:40   Link #62
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For starters there's all the Gundam series. Then we have DBZ and GT. Then there's Naruto that's a little below average in my opinion.

I fear the next anime. I hate Wedding Peach for some reason a lot of people like it. I'm afraid that Wedding Peach haters are dying out. It's my least favorite anime I've seen in it's original Japanese form and 2nd least favorite overall. It deserves ultimate death! It's just a Sailor Moon clone!
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Old 2004-04-18, 19:10   Link #63
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Kujoe, girls that go to another world anime will always have the main female cast as a meek person. Even Yoko in junni kokki was a weak person at first. Animes with strong female lead doesn't occur that often nowadays(or maybe I'm just not watching the right shows).

A show I hate and 90% of the people I meet online seem to like is full metal panic. They introduce a serious plot about kidnapping involving underground agencies, followed by 20 episodes of pure comedy at school. To me it seems like they're trying to mix an actual story with a heavy dose of pure nonsense that will never go anywhere. I find the jokes in fmp funny, but the anime overall has no direction of where it should go.

Another one I could think on top of my head is chrno crusade, when I read the first 3 volumes in two sittings I was hooked, but the only group that scanlated it has stopped and no other group picked the series up until recently. I used to a fan of the series, but after the hype within me died down I realize the only reason I ever begin this is because Rosette was cute and she has a great personality. I decided to rethink whether I should watch the anime, or find more scans of the 4th volume and onward, and I choose to stop because I realize that the plot is not really that intriguing. Another factor that made me stop is the introduction of Satella and Azmaria into the story as main cast. Azmaria has been a main character in the series since chapter 2, but up until the end of volume 3 she doesn't really do anything. Satella seems like another Rosette in my opinion, both with a troubled past, and they are very unrestrainted.

I watched Initial D from first to third stage, read the manga up to the 27th volume, then I go "Why did I watch this crap?" Although I'm not a fanboy of sports anime I can still watch animes of that genre and enjoy it. Initial D is just a bunch of races that takes 3 episodes to setup the time and place, and inbetween the races the creator fill it up with dialogues worse than porn movies. I read the manga hoping it would be faster, but it turns out the manga is actually slower than the anime, alot slower. One initial D ep can cover 4 chapters, I've never heard of a manga that goes this slow before.
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Old 2004-04-19, 01:08   Link #64
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Kujoe, girls that go to another world anime will always have the main female cast as a meek person. Even Yoko in junni kokki was a weak person at first. Animes with strong female lead doesn't occur that often nowadays(or maybe I'm just not watching the right shows).
Yes, that's true. It's just that I feel that others have done it better, and have supported their characters with objective correlatives that make more sense. Best examples are Juuni Kokki and Escaflowne. The latter has an element of romance too--love triangles even--but unlike Miaka, you could really feel Hitomi's sense of defamiliarization, fear and awe amidst the alien world she ends up in. As for Juuni Kokki--it's also true that Youko is somewhat a "weak" character, but the fact is, she changes. It's quite normal for her to be weak and all in the beginning, but this is interestingly juxtaposed with her wanting to be good in the eyes of others. There's an interesting symmetry that I think is there. Moreover the settings of both are not merely reduced to a backdrop for something else. They're holistically part of the overall story, whereas the focus on the setting of Fushigi Yuugi has gaps here and there.

I don't want to start an argument or anything, it's just a matter of preference and personal opinion. And as for anime that has strong female leads--there are some out there that I think are "strong" in their own way. I guess the description, "strong" is quite ambiguous whether male or female, such that it has to be qualified and justified within the story. The "strongest" female character so far for me would have to be Haruka from Rahxephon. She may have displayed moments of despair and weakness at some points--by keeping her deep feelings to herself, by crying out for the man she loves, etc.--but she has also refused to simply accept the way things are in the present--an enduring personality at the very least. All in all, she's in equal footing with the main hero of the show. Tsukihime also comes to mind as being another anime that has a "strong" female cast.

Anyway, thanks for pointing that out.

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Old 2004-04-19, 04:09   Link #65
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[QUOTE=kujoe]I also hated the idea that the heroine depends too much on her guardians for protection, despite it being quite logical with respect to her situation. Let's just say I prefer "stronger" female characters--at least with regard to personality. Moreover, I found Miaka simply annoying. I was actually cheering Yui on--who, for me, seemed to be more flawed in a more profound way--[QUOTE]

yeah i think i know what you mean, fushigi yuugi didn't really do it for me either, altho my friend seems to be in love with the whole concept and always dreaming of becoming Miaka, trying to find her Tamahome...i don't mind her dreaming like that and it's kinda sweet... and i mean we all need a bit of dreaming sometimes eh? ok back to the point, yeah, for me, the problem was that everyone seems to be falling for miaka and honestly, what was soooooooo good about her? and everyone seems to want to rape her and stuff...she's too centralised and the story neglects other characters which have great development potentials
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Old 2004-04-19, 04:24   Link #66
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I really hate Konjiki Gash no bell not sure if its that popular but couldnt get past it looking like Pokemon, Also disliked Shingetsutan Tsuki expected it to be the next Hellsing but it changed to a mystery like anime that was very boring. For some reason I couldn't get into Hunter X Hunter but like Naruto and One Piece very much, just seemed to be same as naruto w/o the ninjas and decently good animation(which contributes to people liking it) Ditto with Flame of Recca a crappy tournament shounen. And for DBZ seems mostly if you watched it as a kid you liked it then as you watch better anime you cant bare to watch it anymore, its a starter thats good if you havent seen much.
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Old 2004-04-19, 05:09   Link #67
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I can't understand how people can say "all Gundam series". Have you even seen War in the Pocket, Z and Turn A? How about Victory? No?

Didn't think so.

I can understand if you dislike them because you dislike mecha, but otherwise I can not understand how you could dislike great series like Mobile Suit Gundam.
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Old 2004-04-19, 07:16   Link #68
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FLCL. I wouldnt say its a horrible anime, because its actually really well done and produced but it just doesnt click with me. I can understand whats going on, I just dont like the way the anime presents itself.

Gundam-it bores me, but then Im not a mecha fan.

These I dont like because of my age most likely. they have their fans, they just arent for me.

DBZ
Pokemon
Digimon
Naruto
Yu yu hakusho
Yugioh

Initial D-I LOVE cars but even I found this boring.
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Old 2004-04-19, 12:37   Link #69
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I can't understand how people can say "all Gundam series". Have you even seen War in the Pocket, Z and Turn A? How about Victory? No?

Didn't think so.

I can understand if you dislike them because you dislike mecha, but otherwise I can not understand how you could dislike great series like Mobile Suit Gundam.
Yeah I'm not a big fan of mechs, but I like Macross though. Just like the ways the battles are done, but that's just me .
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Old 2004-04-19, 12:38   Link #70
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Naruto,Eva,SaiKano,Bebop I can't stand any of them.
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Old 2004-04-19, 13:18   Link #71
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Naruto? seriously? do you read the manga?

i would say that WHR didnt strike me as an amazing series...

and Tokyo underground (kept wating for something good... still waiting)
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Old 2004-04-19, 13:57   Link #72
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I don't like Naruto in anyway at all. And Tokyo Undergroud was ok till they wimped the ending. Or i should say "ending"
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Old 2004-04-19, 14:25   Link #73
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ok.. gotta get this off my chest.. i hate HATE HATE HATE HATE fist of the north star.... i know its not a series and is pretty old but everytime i hear people say they like it i want to hit them... then again i got personal problems. could never sit through Dragon ball either. i love naruto but i completely understand people that dont likeit... that show is torture.. its sitting through 4 episodes of flashbacks and "who is this guy" and "oh that move" and the one or two great episodes... plus its got the same problem i had with DB... it doesn't matter how bad the person is beaten or how little they are supposed to know they always have the super final ultimate secret move that they've been hiding from everyone. and after they use that move then they have another that is better... but i'm still addicted to it like crack
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Old 2004-04-19, 14:45   Link #74
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ok.. gotta get this off my chest.. i hate HATE HATE HATE HATE fist of the north star.... i know its not a series
"Hokuto no Ken" was a series. "Hokuto no Ken" ran from 1984-1987 (total of 109 episodes) and "Hokuto no Ken 2" ran from 1987-1988 (total of 43 episodes).
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Old 2004-04-19, 15:04   Link #75
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"Hokuto no Ken" was a series. "Hokuto no Ken" ran from 1984-1987 (total of 109 episodes) and "Hokuto no Ken 2" ran from 1987-1988 (total of 43 episodes).
oh ok.. didnt' know that.. i hated the movie... and if the show was like the movie (especially animation wise)... i dotn' think i'll be watching it
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Old 2004-04-19, 16:30   Link #76
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I'm one person who likes Macross (well, not all of it) better than Gundam. I think for one, the Macross mecha design is a little more interesting for me, and I love how they shoot 10000 missiles so you can't see how in the world they dodge those things. The stuff about love and music overpowering alien races who can't comprehend it is also whacky funny. Gundam is just too serious...with lots of pretty boy characters (well, not all Gundam series have pretty boys, but still). The overly melodramatic tone of Gundam turns me off from it. Macross may be overly dramatic, but it's kind of funny the way they do it, whereas Gundam is not.
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Old 2004-04-19, 17:22   Link #77
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I can't understand how people can say "all Gundam series". Have you even seen War in the Pocket, Z and Turn A? How about Victory? No?

Didn't think so.

I can understand if you dislike them because you dislike mecha, but otherwise I can not understand how you could dislike great series like Mobile Suit Gundam.
That's the problem with threads like this where people will toss out a few names and state whether they like or hate those shows, but offer no reason for their stance.

Of course, when people do post their reasoning, those with shorter attention spans (which seem to be the majority of people on these forums) just pass those posts and go onto the next one sentence post.

This just leaves people frustrated because they can't understand other people's positions on a series that they happen to like.
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Old 2004-04-19, 17:33   Link #78
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I'm one person who likes Macross (well, not all of it) better than Gundam. I think for one, the Macross mecha design is a little more interesting for me, and I love how they shoot 10000 missiles so you can't see how in the world they dodge those things. The stuff about love and music overpowering alien races who can't comprehend it is also whacky funny. Gundam is just too serious...with lots of pretty boy characters (well, not all Gundam series have pretty boys, but still). The overly melodramatic tone of Gundam turns me off from it. Macross may be overly dramatic, but it's kind of funny the way they do it, whereas Gundam is not.

Heh, if you're not already there you should visit www.macrossworld.com where there's a ton of people, most of whom like Macross better than Gundam.
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Old 2004-04-19, 22:03   Link #79
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I hated Ghost in the Shell, yet I still always hear people raving about it.

I didn't care for Lain either, I hear good things about it also.

Noir I'm still iffy on, but my friends loved it.
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Old 2004-04-20, 01:48   Link #80
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For me, Macross. Never liked it.

Comments like this. What does this post tell us? It tells us that Kenji does not like Macross. That is all it tells us. It doesn't even tell us which Macross, and there's about half a dozen different OVAs, movies, and shows, all of them remarkably different. Now me, being a huge fan of Macross, could be like, "WTF? R u crazy? How can u not like this bestest anime evar!?!?!?!!!!111111eleven"

And what would that add to the conversation? Well, it would tell you I'm small minded and unable to accept that people haver different tastes.

However, there are a number of valid reasons he might not like anime. Perhaps he doesn't like mecha anime? I know several people that just hate any anime in which a robot (giant or otherwise, 'realistic' or super) shows up. This goes so far as that they will pass on shows they admit to liking the story and characters, simply because it has giant robots. I won't pretend to understand, but I realize there are people like this.

Maybe he does like mecha, but much preferes super robots like those in Evangelion, Mazinger Z, Getter Robo, G Gundam, and Gundam Wing, to more 'realistic' style mecha, such as those found in UC Gundam, Macross, etcetera. Heck, even UC Gundam's mecha has more in common with it's Super Robot origins than Macross, whose creator was a big real-world aviation nut.

Maybe he likes his characters simpler. Some people just aren't big on character developement, they want thier heroes blasting the bad guys away, and rescuing the girl. A soppy love story, love-triangle, war drama just wouldn't appeal to them.

Alternately, perhaps he likes his characters even more complex. Shows like Eva, Key, Gunslinger Girl, and others present characters that are (at least superficially) more complex (read as 'damaged goods"). Some do it well, others just jumble up pieces of story and visual images to give a presentation of 'complex' when it's really not (Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty is a good example of superficially complex story, which really isn't deep or complex at all, but attempts to present itself as such). Some people are more discerning than others about it, but still tend to prefere this (currently popular) style.

Macross's mood runs from downright tragic and tear jerking, to cartoonishly wacky. The darker moods ma ybe more prevelent in some series (Macross Plus), while the lighter tones may be more present in others (Dynamite 7), but there's variety there. Some people are more appreciative of darker moods, more serious plots, and grimmer characters, others might not like that at all and want a series that is consistently more upbeat and happy. They might not like Macross because of that variety.

Macross has some very prevelent themes, such as the power of conviction and determination, and the idea that the human spirit can overcome all. Some people might just not like those themes. Sure it's lighter in some shows (Macross Zero, so far), or far more heavy handed in other series (Macross 7, BOMBAH) but it's always there to some degree. Some people just might not relate to those ideals and that could push them away.

Music is another big part of Macross. Macross is known for it's music about as much as it is known for it's mecha. Maybe his musical tastes just don't fit the music found in Macross. That's hard to believe overall, though, simply because nearly every Macross series has featured completely different music. The original had the popular 80's idol pop star, Macross II continued that trend, while Macross Plus brought in Yokko Kano's unique stylings. Macross 7 went on to introduce Fire Bomber, far more rock than pop, and then Macross Zero is something else again. It's possible though. Some people have broader tastes than others.

Maybe Kenji himself doesn't even know. Some people just do not ever stop to think about why they like what they do. They just stumble across an episode or two of every anime they find, blindly grasping for something they click with, but have no clue what to look for.
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