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Old 2008-07-02, 10:05   Link #681
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Not really. Take extreme sports, for instance. Or any kind of sports, to be consequent

The collectors of paintings and other things the so-called elite consider art are also usually rich people and never lack girls. It's just that cartoons and toys... it sounds childish already. And "childish" is never a turn-on word for girls when it actually describes a guy. But guess we all know that
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As for the ratings it seems that SEED´s 15 minutes of fame is about to end but still I think the team behind SEED should be proud that their show(s) and characters lasted in the absolute top for so long. And still is lasting in high positions in a few of the polls. I´d say that this is something that makes me 100% certain that this isn´t the last we´ve seen of SEED. A well made movie/OVA/full lengt Gundam SEED show could very well become a real cash cow for the milkers.
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Old 2008-07-03, 15:29   Link #682
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I´d say that this is something that makes me 100% certain that this isn´t the last we´ve seen of SEED. A well made movie/OVA/full lengt Gundam SEED show could very well become a real cash cow for the milkers.
Of course not. The question is, can there exist Gundam Seed without the original cast. Aside from the OVAs, every UC series after Char's Counterattack has not fared that well. Bandai foresaw this, which is partially why Stargazer was given a trial experiment through sunrise's online distribution network. And they know there's problems, mainly that if Kira and Lacus aren't present, the show won't be fare quite as well. If Char is the spitting image of the Universal Century, and Kira is his counterpart, this will prove to be a very large problem if sunrise hopes to continue doing stories within the CE universe.
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Aside from the OVAs, every UC series after Char's Counterattack has not fared that well.
Not true... The OYW OVAs (notably 0083 and 08th MS Team) were some of the best selling video series ever in Japan, and OYW stuff continue to do well regardless of whether Char or Amuro are in.

UC's popularity was mostly thematic and settings based, and later UC shows like F91 and Victory didn't retain the OYW popularity most likely because their very different style and technology made things too different from classic OYW.

The thing about CE, though, is its extremely large female fanbase, which is more concerned for the characters than the setting or the mecha. This different fanbase means that one cannot do with CE what Sunrise did with UC, which is to use a new cast of character for every show. They tried that with Destiny in the beginning and it didn't work, and they were forced to bring Kira back to a prominent role. So indeed, any CE show without Kira and the rest of the Big Four will probably be doomed to failure.
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Old 2008-07-03, 16:56   Link #684
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Of course not. The question is, can there exist Gundam Seed without the original cast. Aside from the OVAs, every UC series after Char's Counterattack has not fared that well. Bandai foresaw this, which is partially why Stargazer was given a trial experiment through sunrise's online distribution network. And they know there's problems, mainly that if Kira and Lacus aren't present, the show won't be fare quite as well. If Char is the spitting image of the Universal Century, and Kira is his counterpart, this will prove to be a very large problem if sunrise hopes to continue doing stories within the CE universe.
I can only speak for myself but just like FMP wouldn´t be FMP without Sousuke and Kaname. SEED wouldn´t feel like SEED if they ditch the original cast. It doesn´t feel to farfetched to write that people who want to see more of SEED and the CE wants to see more of the characters that we´ve gotten to learn rather than the universe/world. I think that a full 50 episodes without anyone from the original cast (excluding Destiny in this) would be a risky endeavour. If they don´t want to use the original cast at all I think it would be better to use the ova format like 08th MS Team or Macross Zero or do a movie.
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Old 2008-07-26, 16:33   Link #685
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August 2008 rankings from monthly Gundam Ace, NewType, Animedia and Animage. Enjoy!


August 2008 Gundam Ace Monthly Ranking - Top 30 Male Characters:
No. 1 = Char Aznable (15,136 votes) - MSG/The Origin/Zeta
No. 2 = Kira Yamato (14,061 votes) - Gundam Seed/Destiny
No. 3 = Amuro Ray (12,155 votes) - MSG/The Origin/Zeta
No. 4 = Lockon Stratos (8,229 votes) - MS Gundam 00
No. 5 = Setsuna F Seiei (3,285 votes) - MS Gundam 00

No. 6 = Anavel Gato (4,365 votes) - 0083
No. 7 = Graham Aker (3,341 votes) - MS Gundam 00
No. 8 = Athrun Zala (1,679 votes) - Gundam Seed/Destiny
No. 9 = Kamille Bidan (876 votes) - Zeta Gundam
No. 10 = Shiro Amada (585 votes) - 08th MS Team
No. 11 = Quattro Bageena - Zeta Gundam
No. 12 = Ramba Ral - MSG/The Origin
No. 13 = Allelujah Haptism - MS Gundam 00
No. 14 = Tieria Erde - MS Gundam 00

No. 15 = Garrod Ran - Gundam X
No. 16 = Shinn Asuka - SEED DESTINY
No. 17 = Garma Zabi - Original Gundam
No. 18 = Domon Kashu - Gundam G
No. 19 = Barnarge Lynx - Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn
No. 20 = Kai Shiden - Original Gundam
No. 21 = Uso Evin - Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
No. 22 = Patrick Colasour - Gundam 00
No. 23 = Giren Zabi - Original Gundam
No. 24 = Johnny Ridden - Mobile Suit Variation MSV
No. 25 = Yzak Joule - Gundam Seed/Destiny
No. 26 = Sleggar Law - Original Gundam
No. 27 = Ali Al-Saachez - Gundam 00
No. 28 = Heero Yuy - Gundam Wing
No. 29 = Lt. Ken Bederstadt (Mobile Suit Gundam: Lost War Chronicles PS2 game)
No. 30 = Seabook Arno - Mobile Suit Gundam F91


August 2008 Gundam Ace Monthly Ranking - Top 30 Female Characters:
No. 1 = Lacus Clyne (13,873 votes) - Gundam Seed/Destiny
No. 2 = Sayla Mass (13,552 votes) - MSG/The Origin
No. 3 = Haman Karn (7,849 votes) - Zeta Gundam
No. 4 = Nena Trinity (5,904 votes) - Gundam 00
No. 5 = Sumeragi Lee Noriega (3,579 votes) - Gundam 00

No. 6 = Aina Sahalin (2,837 votes) - 08th MS Team
No. 7 = Lunamaria Hawke (1,638 votes) - SEED DESTINY
No. 8 = Lala Sune (1,345 votes) - Original Gundam
No. 9 = Emma Sheen (989 votes) - Zeta Gundam
No. 10 = Cagalli Yula Athha (482 votes) - Gundam Seed/Destiny
No. 11 = Tifa Adiel - Gundam X
No. 12 = Soma Peiris - Gundam 00
No. 13 = Feldt Grace - Gundam 00
No. 14 = Marina Ismail - Gundam 00

No. 15 = Meyrin Hawke - SEED DESTINY
No. 16 = Four Murasame - Zeta Gundam
No. 17 = Cima Garahau - Gundam 0083
No. 18 = Elpeo Puru - Gundam ZZ
No. 19 = Stellar Loussier - SEED DESTINY
No. 20 = Frau Bow - Oringal Gundam
No. 21 = Dianna Soreil - Turn A Gundam
No. 22 = Crowley Hamon - Original Gundam
No. 23 = Murrue Ramius - Gundam Seed/Destiny
No. 24 = Christina MacKenzie - Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket
No. 25 = Machilda Ajan - Original Gundam
No. 26 = Puru Two - Gundam ZZ
No. 27 = Christina Sierra - Gundam 00
No. 28 = Katejina Loos - Victory Gundam
No. 29 = Louise Halevy - Gundam 00
No. 30 = Wang Liu-Mei - Gundam 00



August 2008 Gundam Ace Monthly Ranking - Top 30 Mobile Suit:
No. 1 = Strike Freedom Gundam (13,489 votes) - SEED DESTINY
No. 2 = Gundam Exia (13,342 votes) - Gundam 00
No. 3 = Zaku II (9,784 votes) - Original Gundam
No. 4 = Zeta Gundam (7,488 votes) - Zeta Gundam
No. 5 = Sazabi (5,474 votes) - Gundam Char's Counter Attack
No. 6 = Original Gundam (1,976 votes) - Original Gundam
No. 7 = Hyaku Shiki (1,487 votes) - Zeta Gundam
No. 8 = Nu Gundam (812 votes) - Gundam Char's Counter Attack
No. 9 = Gundam Kyrios (743 votes) - Gundam 00
No. 10 = Gundam Dynames (563 votes) - Gundam 00

No. 11 = Qubeley - Gundam Zeta
No. 12 = High Nu Gundam - Gundam Char's Counter Attack
No. 13 = Acguy - Original Gundam
No. 14 = Unicorn Gundam - Gundam UC
No. 15 = Akatsuki - SEED DESTINY
No. 16 = Dom - Gundam Original
No. 17 = Gouf Custom - Gundam MS8th Team
No. 18 = Infinite Justice Gundam - Gundam Seed Destiny
No. 19 = Gundam Nadleeh - Gundam 00
No. 20 = Freedom Gundam - Gundam Seed
No. 21 = Gundam F91 - Gundam F91
No. 22 = Char's Zaku Custom - Orginal Gundam
No. 23 = Gouf - Gundam Original
No. 24 = Kämpfer - Gundam 0080 - War in the Pocket
No. 25 = Gundam MK-II - Gundam Zeta
No. 26 = Z'Gock - Original Gundam
No. 27 = Gyan - Original Gundam
No. 28 = Wing Gundam Zero - Gundam Wing
No. 29 = Gundam Virtue - Gundam 00
No. 30 = Over Flag - Gundam 00



August 2008 NewType Monthly Ranking - Male Anime Character - The best 10 in popularity (人気ベスト10):
No. 1 = Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 2 = Kyon (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
No. 3 = Alto Saotome (Marcross Frontier)
No. 4 = Suzaku Kururugi (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 5 = Tieria Erde (MS Gundam 00)
No. 6 = Lockon Stratos (MS Gundam 00)

No. 7 = Kira Yamato (Gundam Seed series)
No. 8 = Gintoki Sakata (Gintama)
No. 9 = Gino Weinberg (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 10 = Jeremiah Gottwald (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)


August 2008 Newtype Monthly Ranking - Female Anime Character - The best 10 in popularity (人気ベスト10):
No. 1 = C.C. (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 2 = Suzumiya Haruhi (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
No. 3 = Karen Kouzuki "Kallen Stadtfeld" ( Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 4 = Sheryl Nome (Macross Frontier)
No. 5 = Izumi Konata (Lucky Star)
No. 6 = Yuki Nagao (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
No. 7 = Ranka Lee (Macross Fronter)
No. 8 = Lacus Clyne (Gundam Seed Series)
No. 9 = Lala Satalin Deviluke (To Love-Ru)
No. 10 = Yuko Ichihara (xxxHOLiC - Kei)


June 2008 NewType Monthly Ranking - Best 20 Anime:
No. 1 = Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2
No. 2 = Macross Frontier
No. 3 = The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
No. 4 = Gundam 00
No. 5 = Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion
No. 6 = Lucky Star
No. 7 = Soul Eater
No. 8 = Gintama
No. 9 = DCII SS ~Da Capo II Second Season~
No. 10 = Junjou Romantica
No. 11 = Clannad
No. 12 = xxxHOLiC: Kei
No. 13 = To Love-Ru
No. 14 = Kyouran Kazoku Nikki
No. 15 = Kamen no Maid Guy (Masked Maid Guy)
No. 16 = Gundam Seed
No. 17 = Kure-nai
No. 18 = Vampire Knight
No. 19 = Nabari no Ou (Ruler of Nabari)
No. 20 = Neon Genesis Evangelion


August 2008 Animedia Monthly Character Ranking:
No. 1 = Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 2 = Kyoya Hibari (Katekyō Hitman Reborn!)
No. 3 = Tieria Erde (MS Gundam 00)
No. 4 = C.C. (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 5 = Izumi Konata (Lucky Star)
No. 6 = Gintoki Sakata (Gintama)
No. 7 = Lockon Stratos (MS Gundam 00)
No. 8 = Sougo Okita (Gintama)
No. 9 = Mukuro Rokudo (Katekyō Hitman Reborn!)
No. 10 = Setsuna F Seiei (MS Gundam 00)
No. 11 = Allelujah Haptism (MS Gundam 00)

No. 12 = Kanda Yuu (D. Gray-man)
No. 13 = Lavi (D. Gray-man)
No. 14 = Kira Yamato (Gundam Seed Destiny)
No. 15 = Toushiro Hitsugaya (Bleach)
No. 16 = Lacus Clyne (Gundam Seed Destiny)
No. 17 = Karen Kouzuki "Kallen Stadtfeld" (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 18 = Death the Kid (Soul Eater)
No. 19 = Allen Walker (D. Gray-man) tied with Suzaku Kururugi (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 21 = Shana (Shakugan no Shana II)
No. 22 = Hayate Ayasaki (Hayate the Combat Butler!)
No. 23 = Haruhi Suzumiya (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
No. 24 = Hijikata Toushirou (Gintama)
No. 25 = Kagura (Gintama)
Four gained No. 26:
- Gino Weinberg (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
- Maka Alarn (Soul Eater)
- Miharu Rokujou (Nabari no Ou)
- Rolo Lamperouge (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2)
No. 30 = Athrun Zala (Gundam Seed Series)


August 2008 Animage Monthly Character Best Ranking:
No. 1 = Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion series)
No. 2 = Kira Yamata (Gundam Seed series)
No. 3 = C.C. (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion series)
No. 4 = Gintoki Sakata (Gintama)
No. 5 = Karen Kouzuki "Kallen Stadtfeld" (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion series)
No. 6 = Shana (Shakugan no Shana)
No. 7 = Tieria Erde (MS Gundam 00)
No. 8 = Athrun Zala (Gundam Seed)
No. 9 = Suzaku Kururugi (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion series)
No. 10 = Alto Saotome (Marcross Frontier)
No. 11 = Ranka Lee (Macross Frontier)
No. 12 = Allelujah Haptism (MS Gundam 00)
No. 13 = Kyoya Hibari (Katekyō Hitman Reborn!)
No. 14 = Louise Françoise le Blanc de la Vallière (Zero no Tsukaima)
No. 15 = Lockon Stratos (MS Gundam 00)
No. 16 = Izumi Konata (Lucky Star)
No. 17 = Kanda Yuu (D. Gray-man)
No. 18 = Conan Edogawa (Detective Conan)
No. 19 = Cagalli Yula Atha (Gundam Seed) tied with Hijikata Toushirou (Gintama)
No. 21 = Toushiro Hitsugaya (Bleach)
No. 22 = Sheryl Nome (Macross Frontier)
No. 23 = Setsuna F Seiei (MS Gundam 00)
No. 24 = Gino Weinberg (Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2) tied with Lala Satalin Deviluke (Love-ru)
No. 26 = Rei Ayanami (Neon Genesis Evangelion) tied with Haruhi Suzumiya (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
No. 28 = Death the Kid (Soul Eater)
No. 29 = Kotaro Katsura (Gintama)
No. 30 = Miharu Rokujou (Nabari no Ou)
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Old 2008-08-07, 01:50   Link #686
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Thats intersenting boredandsleepy want cause Cagalli votes two go down. I loved her back Gundam seed.
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Old 2008-08-07, 02:06   Link #687
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Thats intersenting boredandsleepy want cause Cagalli votes two go down. I loved her back Gundam seed.
Well, Cagalli has been steady in Gundam Ace polling for a while if you check the last few months Gundam Ace polling. Athrun Zala seemed dropping rapidly in Animedia monthly ranking. Lacus has not even been within the Animage monthly ranking for number of months.

Also, the 56th Gundam National Census for the following question:

"Summer swimming suits! In Gundam Seed or Gundam Seed Destiny, which female character will you like to see in swimming suit?"

The last time I checked this polling progress, Cagalli had been ahead of all female characters (including Lacus). I think the final result will be announced next week. I'll update this post once I see the result.

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Old 2008-08-10, 05:40   Link #688
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I can't believe Patrick still hasn't passed Kira in the polls.
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I can't believe Patrick still hasn't passed Kira in the polls.
I can't believe he did NOT even make it into one of the positions.

EDIT: No wait, he did!

But Position number 20+ is an insult to him!! He was the first one to critically injure a Meister! (By sheer luck that is, if the GN-Arms came earlier, he won't be in the polls...)
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Still, I'm most impressed over how Gato has managed to hold on to his position in the top then during all these SEED years. I guess it's all the SRW, ACE and other games in which he appears that are a tribute to him.
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Old 2008-08-11, 13:49   Link #691
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"Summer swimming suits! In Gundam Seed or Gundam Seed Destiny, which female character will you like to see in swimming suit?"

The last time I checked this polling progress, Cagalli had been ahead of all female characters (including Lacus). I think the final result will be announced next week. I'll update this post once I see the result.
ガンダム国勢調査 第56回
「Q.夏といえば水着!ガンダムSEED/SEED DESTINYで水着姿を見てみたかった女性キャラは?」はカガリが1位!【2008年7月28日~200 8年8月3日】

As with my projection, Cagalli IS THE WINNER in the 56th Gundam National Census voting held between 7/28/2008 and 8/3/2008.

Voting result announced by Gundam.info on 8/11/2008 today:

Cagalli = 28.62%
Lacus = 26.33%
Murrue = 14.40%
Lunamaria = 13.77%
Meyrin = 5.69%
Stellar = 4.91%
Fllay = 2.46%
Miriallia = 2.13%
Natarlie = 1.69%

There are total 9,907 votes.

Sources:
http://www.gundam.info/topic/1759
http://www.gundam.info/content/229

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Care to explain what's so good about Cagalli....? I'm just curious. Hehez
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Care to explain what's so good about Cagalli....? I'm just curious. Hehez
People want her in a bathing suit just to be sure she's still a girl. Even her own brother can be surprised that she's a girl.

But seriously, she can be pretty for an anime character.
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People want her in a bathing suit just to be sure she's still a girl. Even her own brother can be surprised that she's a girl.

But seriously, she can be pretty for an anime character.
I feel sorry if he ever utters that sentence again. Third time's a charm, they say, and I don't think even being the Ultimate Coordinator will save him from a pissed off anime girl.

And its kinda hard for an anime girl NOT to be pretty.
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Nina Einstien disagress with you.
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Old 2008-08-12, 08:58   Link #696
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Nina Einstien disagress with you.
Disagress?

Disagree + digress?

Anyway, screw Nina.
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Nina Einstien disagress with you.
Except for that ONE expression, Nina's pretty cute.

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Disagress?

Disagree + digress?

Anyway, screw Nina.
No no. In Soviet Britannia, Nina screws you!

Or tables.
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Except for that ONE expression, Nina's pretty cute.



No no. In Soviet Britannia, Nina screws you!

Or tables.
Are you serious? Nina is freaking horrendous, I've been wishing for her extermination ever since the start of the series.

There are many other un-attractive anime girls. They have a bunch in Naruto, and the original Gundam.
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Not true... The OYW OVAs (notably 0083 and 08th MS Team) were some of the best selling video series ever in Japan, and OYW stuff continue to do well regardless of whether Char or Amuro are in.

UC's popularity was mostly thematic and settings based, and later UC shows like F91 and Victory didn't retain the OYW popularity most likely because their very different style and technology made things too different from classic OYW.
So how is what I said not true when you just repeated what I said =/

In fact, you made my point by citing the exact productions that fared well and not well.


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Aside from the OVAs, every UC series after Char's Counterattack has not fared that well.
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So how is what I said not true when you just repeated what I said =/

In fact, you made my point by citing the exact productions that fared well and not well.
I missed that OVA thing, but then again, your argument would be flawed then, since you didn't really explain why you are omitting the OVAs from the discussion.

My point was that UC's popularity was thematic/settings-based , while Seed's was character-based, and the popularity of the OVAs is evidence for that. That is why IMO you can't really compare the two and that is why while they can continue pumping out OVAs for UC with just the OYW setting, they have to include Kira/Lacus if they want to make any profit off any future Seed works, OVA or not.
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