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Old 2008-08-18, 01:34   Link #2101
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Wonder how many steps ahead Charles is then .
At least twenty.
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Old 2008-08-18, 01:45   Link #2102
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Lelouch better do something before Charles unleashes Ragnarok on the world or its bye-bye world. As a character, Lelouch seems to have grown up and now starts to get serious after the death of Rolo, finding out what his true goal is in life. I do think the OotBK is screwed since they are at the mercy of Britannia. Catching Lelouch is going to be hard since he still does have Geass and some loyal allies. Basically he is a wanted fugitive on the run.
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Old 2008-08-18, 01:50   Link #2103
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lulu might not be in the right state of mind right now
it looked like at the end of this ep rolo got him back on track
but what he actually resolved to do isnt to win the war with shnizel or get his live back in order
he didnt even choose to live
he chose to go and drag his father down with him into hell
meanning he plans to die
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Old 2008-08-18, 01:51   Link #2104
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Meaning he and Suzaku have something in common, at least for the short term. Only difference is Lelouch is set on a very specific death.
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Old 2008-08-18, 01:51   Link #2105
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lulu might not be in the right state of mind right now
it looked like at the end of this ep rolo got him back on track
but what he actually resolved to do isnt to win the war with shnizel or get his live back in order
he didnt even choose to live
he chose to go and drag his father down with him into hell
meanning he plans to die
No, he doesn't want to die. He will just live in hell. Doesn't mean he must die.
And he must realize that the only way for him to take down Charles is to take his immortality.
Twice.
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Old 2008-08-18, 01:59   Link #2106
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No, he doesn't want to die. He will just live in hell. Doesn't mean he must die.
And he must realize that the only way for him to take down Charles is to take his immortality.
Twice.
just becouse the guy is imortal doesnt mean you cant take him out some other way
espcially when you consider what kaminajima has most pominent
a huge cave
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Old 2008-08-18, 03:56   Link #2107
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I don't think Lelouch necessarily wants Charles to die at this point. I think he just wants the tables turned and Charles to feel the pain that he has been feeling. It seemed like at the end of the latest episode, Lelouch finally got a grip on who he is and what he really wants. Throughout the whole series, Lelouch has been doing exactly what Charles has wanted to the point that I kind of see Lelouch's character as identical to Charles' will. Charles wants to bring about a new and better world through destruction, which is exactly what Lelouch has been doing up until this point. (Pretty ironic, huh.)

In a way, Lelouch is/was a tool just like Rolo was a tool, and Rolo claiming his own humanity back taught Lelouch something about having your own will. FINALLY! Because it seems like most of R2, Lelouch has been fighting an inner battle deciding who he acts for each time, sometimes the Black Knights, sometimes Nunnally, but never really himself. Now it looks like he will go after Charles as Lelouch Lamperouge and all the experiences that have made him become that person for only his own sake, not the angry former prince Lelouch vi Britannia who fought for Nunnally and not the masked crusader Zero who fought for justice.

So when Lelouch says he will drag Charles down to Hell with him, I don't think he means literally, I think he means it figuratively because Lelouch is now living in his own hell that he wound up creating. I think the best revenge Lelouch could get against Charles now is making him live the pain he has inflicted on others just like Lelouch, so simply killing him is definitely not the answer. After all, revenge is a dish best served cold and I think being immortal and being forced to live in eternal pain is a lot worse than dying.
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Old 2008-08-18, 04:02   Link #2108
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Well, when he "killed" Charles, he did say that he mainly wanted to get answers out of him as well as a bunch of apologies...
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Old 2008-08-18, 04:07   Link #2109
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that was back when he had something to live for
now he doesnt since he belives he has lost everything
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Old 2008-08-18, 13:30   Link #2110
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that was back when he had something to live for
now he doesnt since he belives he has lost everything
He does have something to live for. Did you miss the latest episode? He has to live so the life that Rolo was attached to has some meaning.
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Old 2008-08-18, 13:43   Link #2111
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He does have something to live for. Did you miss the latest episode? He has to live so the life that Rolo was attached to has some meaning.
he wants to take the emperor down with him
thats not a reason to live
its one last thing to do before you die
in the past he had nunnaly
now he has no one
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Old 2008-08-18, 13:48   Link #2112
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No, he has to live long enough to kill the Emperor. After that he's back to nothing.
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Old 2008-08-18, 13:49   Link #2113
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he wants to take the emperor down with him
thats not a reason to live
its one last thing to do before you die
in the past he had nunnaly
now he has no one
i kinda of agree with this.
Except he is not doing it for revenge instead he is it doing it to redeem himself.
He lost everything thus the least he can do is take Charles down.
But yes I see it as his goal.
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Old 2008-08-18, 13:52   Link #2114
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he wants to take the emperor down with him
thats not a reason to live
its one last thing to do before you die
in the past he had nunnaly
now he has no one
You've clearly missed the entire point of his little speech I suppose?

Lelouch: Nunnally, Rolo, Shirley, The Order of the Black Knights... I lost everything
This is the result that remains... No, the retribution but that's why I thank you Rolo. There's still something I have to accomplish with this life that you were connected to. Yes I have to!
My father, Charles di Brittania, I'll have you accompany me to hell.

One last thing to do is a reason to live before death.
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Old 2008-08-18, 13:53   Link #2115
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I don't think Lelouch necessarily wants Charles to die at this point. I think he just wants the tables turned and Charles to feel the pain that he has been feeling. It seemed like at the end of the latest episode, Lelouch finally got a grip on who he is and what he really wants. Throughout the whole series, Lelouch has been doing exactly what Charles has wanted to the point that I kind of see Lelouch's character as identical to Charles' will. Charles wants to bring about a new and better world through destruction, which is exactly what Lelouch has been doing up until this point. (Pretty ironic, huh.)

In a way, Lelouch is/was a tool just like Rolo was a tool, and Rolo claiming his own humanity back taught Lelouch something about having your own will. FINALLY! Because it seems like most of R2, Lelouch has been fighting an inner battle deciding who he acts for each time, sometimes the Black Knights, sometimes Nunnally, but never really himself. Now it looks like he will go after Charles as Lelouch Lamperouge and all the experiences that have made him become that person for only his own sake, not the angry former prince Lelouch vi Britannia who fought for Nunnally and not the masked crusader Zero who fought for justice.

So when Lelouch says he will drag Charles down to Hell with him, I don't think he means literally, I think he means it figuratively because Lelouch is now living in his own hell that he wound up creating. I think the best revenge Lelouch could get against Charles now is making him live the pain he has inflicted on others just like Lelouch, so simply killing him is definitely not the answer. After all, revenge is a dish best served cold and I think being immortal and being forced to live in eternal pain is a lot worse than dying.
Nice post.
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Old 2008-08-18, 13:55   Link #2116
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You've clearly missed the entire point of his little speech I suppose?

Lelouch: Nunnally, Rolo, Shirley, The Order of the Black Knights... I lost everything
This is the result that remains... No, the retribution but that's why I thank you Rolo. There's still something I have to accomplish with this life that you were connected to. Yes I have to!
My father, Charles di Brittania, I'll have you accompany me to hell.

One last thing to do is a reason to live before death.
what i think he means after he kills charles. That's it. There is no more reason to live.
Thus Sacrificing himself with him is highly likely
At this point.
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Old 2008-08-18, 13:58   Link #2117
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what i think he means after he kills charles. That's it. There is no more reason to live.
Thus Sacrificing himself with him is highly likely
At this point.
We don't know if he will find a new reason or not but I agree with the rest of your post.
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Old 2008-08-18, 14:00   Link #2118
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We don't know if he will find a new reason or not but I agree with the rest of your post.
well that's why added at this point.
Kallen can have some say. and i hope she does because her character development is still growing
and we have yet to have a resolution to any of it.
ANd i hope she shows him that people still want him to live.
Millay and rivalz can come too!
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Old 2008-08-18, 14:17   Link #2119
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well that's why added at this point.
Kallen can have some say. and i hope she does because her character development is still growing
and we have yet to have a resolution to any of it.
ANd i hope she shows him that people still want him to live.
Millay and rivalz can come too!
dont forget C.C
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Old 2008-08-18, 14:31   Link #2120
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what i think he means after he kills charles. That's it. There is no more reason to live.
Thus Sacrificing himself with him is highly likely
At this point.
He can go out with a legendary falcon punch, taking out the emperor while dying himself
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