[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 3 Banquet of the golden witch

[Sterling01]

I would think the yandere would be Eva Beatrice and Beato would be tsundere

[kj1980]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

I would think the yandere would be Eva Beatrice and Beato would be tsundere

Nah, to the extent that Beato did to bring back Battler on to the game table, that's more of a yandere than tsun.

[Sterling01]

It's mentioned in Genji's Ep 2 profile that he was made with the help of a advanced level demon. Since Ronove has a similar name to Genji's could he be the one who helped Kinzo create Genji

[Nadeor]

Alright you two...Cough Cough?
Remember our Spoiler function O_O?
We can discuss this all we want later...when you guys release it =.=

[Apathy]

Episode Three definitely sounds like the most interesting of the lot so far...

Although, I am getting very confused about

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the whole 'Eva-Beatrice' thing. Not to mention the roles of the new characters (Ronove, the Siestas... if they have a role, and Walgiria).

Erm... does anyone have any light to shed on this? (Sorry, I seem to have joined the many who fall under the category of 'non-game owners/non-Japanese speakers who just ask questions'... ehe).

[Klashikari]

Let's see... these are only my interpretations because I obviously didn't catch everything:

Spoiler for identity of new characters. Mild spoilers:

Eva-Beatrice: in Episode 3, Eva revealed that her past was in huge turmoil because of the inheritance issue with Krauss.
There isn't much hint if it is a split persona or whatnot, but there is a "witch" within Eva, and both are "Ushiromiya Eva", though the Rena like one with the seifuku pretends that she has magic and as long as Eva believes in it, the magic will goes on.
After a little while, Eva was able to find the Gold. She was really in ecstasy, but in the shadows, the witch didn't want to share the gold with any of the other siblings, and Beato pays her a visit. Since she resolved the riddle, she gets the right to take the place of the head of the Ushiromiya family, and becomes the new "Golden Witch, Beatrice". Hence she became Eva-Beatrice.

Beato is guiding her "apprentice" a bit, but it is quickly revealed that Eva-Beatrice is as psycho or even more than beato and goes on a rampage, to much Eva's dismay.

Ronove: he is serving beatrice because of a contract, though he seems to share a special bound with Beatrice. Ronove is actually difficult to gauge as he seems in favor for Battler as well.
He is acting as Beato's proxy times to times and seems to enjoys the antics between beato and Battler.
Once Witch Eva became the new Beatrice, Ronove the serves her, but still stay on good terms with Battler and Beato.

Siestas: these are the bunny girls that Eva-Beatrice summoned when the sisters of purgatory failed in their mission to eliminate some characters. These have an absolute weapon that is activated once the target's whereabouts and identity are confirmed (this can be done from AFAR). The weapon is a golden "snake" that will chase the prey wherever it is without fail, piercing their vital point. Witches cannot avoid this either. This weapon can also be used as a way to fish out the corpses and retrieve them for the siesta.

Walgiria: Beato's mentor. Walgiria is the "previous beatrice, the endless witch". She is extremely composed and gentle, who has a very different mindset than Beato: the endless magic isn't supposed to be used for such destruction etc.
She will assist Battler in the "in game tea parties" against Beato then Eva-beatrice, but in the end there is some plot twist...

It is kinda digest, and I don't think I put all the details, but heh.

[Thisguy]

Originally Posted by kj1980

Nah, to the extent that Beato did to bring back Battler on to the game table, that's more of a yandere than tsun.

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I'd disagree, since Beato in that state is not showing sign of "yan", only determined to do her share of "task" even if it risks her life.
If anyone is to be called a yandere, 34 in ??? should.

[Apathy]

It is kinda digest, and I don't think I put all the details, but heh.

Actually, that was very helpful~ It managed to explain quite a bit of what I was confused about.

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So, 'Eva' (or the witch-part of Eva, Eva-Beatrice) became the new 'golden witch'? In that case, perhaps Beatrice was formerly in her position before. =/

Walgiria sounds... interesting. I wonder what her motives are/what she's doing around, then. Was she the former 'Golden Witch' as well, then...?

... The Siestas sound and look scary.

... Ah, more questions (somewhat). ._. Sorry.

In any case, thanks for your help~

[Klashikari]

Some added details

Spoiler for end game:

Actually, "The Golden Witch, Beatrice" is the title of the "endless witch", it isn't the proper name of the character we know (which is officially now "beato").

Walgiria was the "Beatrice" before beato. Then the third "Endless Witch/Golden Witch, Beatrice" is "witch Eva", hence named by the game "Eva-Beatrice".

The condition to pass the title is a bit unclear between Walgiria and Beato, but Beato gives the title to the person who is able to figure out her riddle.
There isn't any indication if Walgiria did the same, with a riddle, but considering what she says, when they fight each other, it seems Walgiria gave her title to Beato willingly, like Master and Apprentice.


Yes, the weapon the Siestas' use is scary, but ironically enough, these two are very different from the Sisters of Purgatory in terms of actions etc (they aren't curel or so, but they follow their master's orders, though they are kinda like jokes characters considering their behaviour).

[d-one]

um sorry but I need to know one thing

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I have seen 2 witch picture from the game (not including Ange of course), but which one is Walgiria? Is she the one in the third game painting? or Is she the silver haired lady?

[Klashikari]

^

Spoiler for character answer:

Walgiria is the first "Beatrice" in the branch, the silver haired one.

The third painting is Eva-Beatrice

[Apathy]

Thanks very much for the information, again. (It really is quite useful to know what's going on... I'm afraid I can be a bit of a spoiler-lover. ._.).

Spoiler for characters:

I guess if you wanted to find out the ultimate origin of the 'endless witch', then you'd need to look at Walgiria... although, she seems to help out Battler at one point? Come to think, even Beatrice seems to be going against Eva-Beatrice... seems she reverts at the end, though. That probably means Eva's the survivor in this scenario?

As for the Siestas... for some reason, I think it's the bunny ears/appearance that I find scary about them. And their attack.

... Also, Ange. Why does she show up at this point in the series? (Come to think, what does she do, if anything?).

Sorry, again.

[Klashikari]

Looks like I will have to do a summary at this rate
Well, let's see if I can explain a bit in further detail:

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Until I understand her character TIPS, I'm unable to explain much about Walgiria. That said, to explain further the point:
Walgiria was in Rokkenjima as Beato was doing ill stuff with the "endless magic", and even says that her only regret was "passing the beatrice title" to her apprentice.
After a very rough and epic battle, Beato lost, but the latter actually made a trap and Walgiria thus "died" (rather removed from the chessboard).

As result, she is in the "in tea party" and assists Battler despites he cannot admits witches and such. She then explains few things, like the Schrödinger's cat, that permits Battler to expand his thoughts and methods to counter Beato.

After the usual "first 6 sacrifices", few events happen. Eva managed to find the gold, but later her witch self became "The Gold Witch Beatrice" and resumed the rampage of the ressurrection ceremony. At this point, Battler and Beato had a very heated argument, and with a special approach (I won't spoil that though), Battler managed to own completely Beato.

Beato tried to understand what Battler meant by that, but Battler refuses to, and forces her to think about herself and if needed, consulting Walgiria and Ronove. After few psychotic events with Eva-Beatrice, Beato understands some things and begin to act by herself, even if she doesn't have all her powers anymore and her actions are hindering Eva-Beatrice.

After lots of trouble, Eva-Beatrice is finally "invited" in the Tea Party, where she has to fight against Battler, who cannot allow her to taint "beato's name". From there, epic battler of wits, but in the end Eva-Beatrice is the winner, with almighty Red Text, which made Battler surrender completely.

However, Beato then used a method which completely took everyone offguard, and the matter is settled down, at the expense of Beato's existence (Eva-Beatrice vanishes as well).
In the plot, things are "settled", though "plot" Battler is murdered by Eva (who went utterly broken due to George mysterious death). Nanjo is killed by a unknown factor (but claimed to be a murder), while Jessica is dead mysteriously like in ep1 (unfortunately, I don't get her EXECUTE TIPS text). The only survivor is Ushiromiya Eva, confirmed 12 years later. Among Kinzo's relatives, only Eva and Ange (who couldn't come due of her sickness) are alive.

After a while, both beato and Battler were able to reach the Golden Land.
Battler is relieved and such, and unlike before, he is about to sign the golden land registry. This is where Beato reverts to her real self and starts to force Battler in signing "Ushiromiya Battler. I admits witches exist".

Then, Ange intervenes and allows Battler to regains his senses, though he is badly hurt that Beato toyed with his feelings (as he was utterly deceived).



As for Ange, it seems she is "Ange-Beatrice" since Eva is about to die, so the latter gives all the fortune to her (not really in a generous way, but rather as revenge). As result, Ange becomes the fourth Beatrice (if we speculate there isn't anyone before Walgiria), Ange-Beatrice.
Ange wanted to know the truth, but Eva is as broken as Keiichi in tatarigoroshi. As result, Ange ponders about it, and wish to see her beloved parents and brother. This is where Bernkastel appears and asks her help though there isn't any guarantee that she can "bring back her family". She can avenge them, but making them alive would be a probability close to 0.
Ange is actually Bernkastel "Knight" Piece (IIRC), and she will assist Battler in the tea parties, though there isn't any explanation why Bernkastel chosed her, nor her possible powers and such.

[Apathy]

Ah~ That was very helpful (as well). Again, thanks for all your hard work.

... Huh, this episode really did bring a whole lot of new things to light; although it revealed a lot, there's also a lot of new things to consider. I hope we get a good answer arc for this one...

It's very interesting, though, speculation and all, so I'm glad I know vaguely how things go now.

... Incidentally, does 34 appear all? Considering it's mostly 'in the witches' world', I'd be kind of surprised if she didn't.

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Spoiler for end game:

After a while, both beato and Battler were able to reach the Golden Land.
Battler is relieved and such, and unlike before, he is about to sign the golden land registry. This is where Beato reverts to her real self and starts to force Battler in signing "Ushiromiya Battler. I admits witches exist".

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Also during this part, some of Beato's actions are weird ie the whole face change bit.... I don't think that really was her "real self"

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Apathy

... Incidentally, does 34 appear all? Considering it's mostly 'in the witches' world', I'd be kind of surprised if she didn't.

Just like what I said in my first reactions

Spoiler for tea party 3:

Yes, Lamba appears. And honestly, she is freaky scary. It seems that she might be the "true boss" considering how she is really imposing herself to the point that Beato didn't even try to reply or so (with some troubled face etc).

I didn't understand much, but Lambda is hardly a passive actor here.

Originally Posted by Sterling01

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Also during this part, some of Beato's actions are weird ie the whole face change bit.... I don't think that really was her "real self"

Yes indeed, I have my doubts, especially...

Spoiler for tea party:

the scene with Lambda. And considering her past with Kinzo, Beato's character might be deceiving even in her evil stance.

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Just like what I said in my first reactions

Spoiler for tea party 3:

Yes, Lamba appears. And honestly, she is freaky scary. It seems that she might be the "true boss" considering how she is really imposing herself to the point that Beato didn't even try to reply or so (with some troubled face etc).

I didn't understand much, but Lambda is hardly a passive actor here.

Didn't Lamba also appear when they were crowning Eva the new Beatrice

[Kets]

Just wondering, but which Stakes/Siestas killed which person?

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Kets

Just wondering, but which Stakes/Siestas killed which person?

Let's see:

Spoiler for Siesta/Sisters:

Stakes and their targets

Asmodeus : Rudolf
Beelzebub: Hideyoshi
Mammon: Kyrie
Lucifer: Krauss
Satan: Natsuhi

No, there isn't any mention of Leviathan and Belphegor. (for obvious reasons)

Special note: note that NONE of the victim were shown killed by any stakes of purgatory. Most if not all were killed by both Siestas 410 and 45, then Eva-Beatrice gouged them with the stakes (lucifer being extremely reluctant to that).

[Kets]

Thanks! But who did Beezelbub kill?