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Old 2008-08-21, 00:27   Link #61
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In my humble impression of a work of fiction, I think Taiga is presented/developed much better than Louise, even though they, on the surface, are very alike. It’s hard not to introduce some spoilers from the novel while discussing what makes Taiga more likeable, and yet how she truly is a loli tsundere (in other words, what a loli tsundere should be like), but my intentions are not of doing so. The only thing I can mention, however, is that Taiga has what Louise lacks, and it’s not only the overly cute factor.
Without saying too much...
Taiga will never be better than Louise until Taiga actually starts loving Ryuuji instead of Stupid Glasses. Otherwise, the way she treats Ryuuji would simply be selfishness (and anger management issues).
Though Masochist Ryuuji is fine with her interrupting him whenever he gets into a good mood with Minori or her attacking him (verbally or otherwise).

Well, this might be better discussed in the novel thread...
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Old 2008-08-22, 01:22   Link #62
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Without saying too much...
Taiga will never be better than Louise until Taiga actually starts loving Ryuuji instead of Stupid Glasses. Otherwise, the way she treats Ryuuji would simply be selfishness (and anger management issues).
Though Masochist Ryuuji is fine with her interrupting him whenever he gets into a good mood with Minori or her attacking him (verbally or otherwise).

Well, this might be better discussed in the novel thread...
I get the feeling that there’s a spoiler here if somebody were to read between the lines, so to speak… (don’t mind this random comment, though)

But anyway, to be sincere, I don’t really have the arguments to dispute whether one character is better than the other . For one, I haven’t read the Zero no Tsukaima novels (my bias/issues with Louise come only from the anime; and I heard she is somewhat different in the original version). On the other hand, my “feelings” towards Taiga come from reading the so-far translated novel/manga, with seven more volumes or so still in the process. So far, I just prefer Taiga over Louise, because I simply find her more likeable, even though, as you said, she presents some “anger management issues” and selfish behaviors.

Now, what I like about Taiga is certainly her very relationship with Ryuuji. They don’t have romantic feelings for each other, but they have a mutual understanding of what the other is going through (not so much for Taiga, though)—sharing also similar traits, feelings, and ultimately, the realization that they need help from the other. This relationship strongly reminded me of Welcome to NHK and some other novel/manga by the same author, where the “main couple,” so to speak, were “put together” not necessarily because they both harbored some kind of romantic feeling, but because of an underlying link, common interest, chemistry—however seems to fit—between two. In Taiga’s and Ryuuji’s case, they decided to stay “together” for the sole purpose that “it was better this way,” for all interests concerned. In this sense, I don’t see anything wrong having a crush with Kitamura, as it just makes this relationship more peculiar, if not stronger, given that Ryuuji has a crush on Minorin.

On a side note, a new scanlated chapter has been released today at “the usual place” (it may not be the same “usual” for others, though). Regarding the chapter, I was really waiting to see this in the manga from the time I read it in the novel a while ago—it was one of the highlights of the first volume. Anyway, I'm starting to like the illustrations on the chapter covers more and more.
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Old 2008-08-22, 01:27   Link #63
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FYI, you might want to spoiler some of the points about the future of their relationship that haven't yet been revealed in the manga as of yet. (since this is the manga thread)
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Old 2008-08-22, 05:10   Link #64
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It's rather hard for most of us to compare. Novels for both are obviously hard to access for the general viewers, and manga wise, Toradora is much more emphasized than ZnT. ZnT however has a crapload of material in anime. Louis or Taiga ^__^ both are kind of the same to me, it's just pretty much about execution at this point. Like two same model cars but tuned differently and also driving on different courses. Hard to compare right? You can always say one drove a longer course, or one has a specific problem, but unless you find a easy to compare medium (novel if they have the same amount of length) then it's pointless to say so.

And of course, as a novel reader, you shouldn't spoil the rest of us! So no point to begin with!
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Old 2008-08-22, 05:12   Link #65
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Spoiler for chap 8:
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Old 2008-08-22, 05:31   Link #66
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1 question... anyone know the isbn of the 2nd tankoubon of this series?... or they got the raw from Dengeki Monthly Magazine???
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Old 2008-08-22, 06:13   Link #67
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1 question... anyone know the isbn of the 2nd tankoubon of this series?... or they got the raw from Dengeki Monthly Magazine???
There's no complete 2nd volume yet afaik, so yes recent v2 scans are taken from the magazine i suppose.
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Old 2008-08-22, 07:19   Link #68
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so yes recent v2 scans are taken from the magazine i suppose.
I confirm this, I'm using magazine scans
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Old 2008-08-22, 12:44   Link #69
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Judging from 8 chapters

Taiga > Louise -__-

she´s just so much more adorable, how cute she was when she was hungry aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhnnnnn
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Old 2008-08-22, 13:21   Link #70
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Yacchan is my favorite character, can't wait to hear her in the anime.
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Old 2008-08-22, 13:57   Link #71
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might have been posted already but any case, here is a translation of the first two vol.

http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/in...le=Toradora%21
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Old 2008-08-24, 02:28   Link #72
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WHAT!? They ACTUALLY ended a chapter with some closure??? IMPOSSIBLE!
Spoiler for chap 11:
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Old 2008-08-24, 06:27   Link #73
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Now that's interesting.

Spoiler for ch 11:


P.S. frubam, I'd agree. Kitamura seems to be a lot sharper than Ryuuji's and Taiga's impression of him. If anything it's both of them that are the clueless ones.
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Old 2008-08-24, 10:02   Link #74
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Now that's interesting.

Spoiler for ch 11:


P.S. frubam, I'd agree. Kitamura seems to be a lot sharper than Ryuuji's and Taiga's impression of him. If anything it's both of them that are the clueless ones.
Spoiler for ch11:


about Kitamura: I like the idea that he understood what Taiga really wanted to tell him but 'dumped' her in a gentle way to support Ryuuji's and Taiga's relationship.

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Old 2008-08-24, 10:11   Link #75
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I'm kinda curious... just from looking at Taiga... in the anime, is her voice actor gonna be the same as Shana from Shakugan no Shana?
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Old 2008-08-24, 10:49   Link #76
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I'm kinda curious... just from looking at Taiga... in the anime, is her voice actor gonna be the same as Shana from Shakugan no Shana?
Check the anime thread. Yes, Kugimiya Rie, as people would expected...
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Old 2008-08-24, 11:07   Link #77
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Check the anime thread. Yes, Kugimiya Rie, as people would expected...
Theres an anime thread?!

I guess, everyone was expecting it huh? XD
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Old 2008-08-24, 15:55   Link #78
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Hahah, and Kugimiya adds another one huh. Looks like she has cornered the market on loli tsundere's, if this fad keeps growing she's probably going to end up overworked, lol!
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Old 2008-08-24, 22:31   Link #79
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There's no complete 2nd volume yet afaik, so yes recent v2 scans are taken from the magazine i suppose.
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I confirm this, I'm using magazine scans
thx... i thought it's been released
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Old 2008-08-26, 02:59   Link #80
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i kinda wonder how can you bent a pole??? like that by just kicking hehehe
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