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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 19 Rating
Perfect 10 294 62.96%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 93 19.91%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 40 8.57%
7 out of 10 : Good 21 4.50%
6 out of 10 : Average 7 1.50%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.21%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.21%
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Old 2008-08-24, 02:02   Link #1781
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Also remember that only the Black Knights have outed Zero. The still need someone to be the Black Knights spokes person while dealing with the world. How are they going to explain Zero's disappearance without losing all credibility?
They don't need to anymore. They have a larger organization to front from. Other voices can be chosen to speak.
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Old 2008-08-24, 02:06   Link #1782
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Charles needs to die somehow. Suzaku and Lelouch will probably team up to do something effective.

I have no idea why CC is still alive except they didn't want to kill off this nice eye-candy. Maybe she still holds the key for Ragnarok and Charles' grand plan.
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Old 2008-08-24, 02:09   Link #1783
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Calm and level-headed? Maybe you missed the betrayal and firing squad. Calm and level-headed people would not shoot their best pilot just to kill Zero, and they would have given Zero a chance to speak in the first place. These people aren't calm. They were confronted with a power which they have little comprehension of and reacted the most excessive show of force imaginable. The WMD is only going to keep them docile on the outside.
Excessive show of force? the first time Lelouche was put in front of a group of soldiers armed with weapons and the intent to kill, he in turn kill all of them with a few words (and then he did it again the following season)... hell, knowing that he could kill them with a word and not knowing he needs eye contact (dear older brother could have left out details) really doesn't give them much of a option to let him speak as it could mean death; paranoia means to fear the most unlikely of things, but given what they "knew" this was not a paranoid reaction. That was kind of an understandable response considering what they were dealing with... not to mention that again, there really was nothing zero could have said to save his ass because the truth was just about as unbelievable as Britania's story, only zero had no "proof" to back it up

The writing for convincing the BK that zero was a geass user responsible for many innocent deaths was piss poor, but i think the reaction was fairly handled

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tell that to the geass research department... years of research have been wiped out completely, for Britania to create another Rolo or Jeremiah again would mean to strat their reasearch all over form the very beginning

For her bomb, destroy the data and get rid of the few bombs that were made and the scientist will have to start all over since i doubt any of them commited the creation of the bomb to memory... normally not very possible, but a little "plot" can fix that

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It would all depend on how it was ended, and even if they did just cut if off, the damage would be irreparable. The terrorist movements would have been all but eliminated had it gone through.
eliminated? There would be nothing to stop new terrorist from coming up... the only thing need to create a terrorist is one very angry person with a means to harm others... the only way to "eliminate" terrorism once and for all is to make sure the people never have a reason to become terrorist in the first place... and oppressing people just won't do
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Old 2008-08-24, 02:09   Link #1784
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This is a hypothetical scenario, since it was V.V. that gave Rolo his geass, and V.V.'s code was transferred to Charles, is it the same thing as Charles giving Rolo his geass? Then, could Rolo (obviously not anymore), could've taken Charles's code (with high level enough of Geass)
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Old 2008-08-24, 02:16   Link #1785
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This is a hypothetical scenario, since it was V.V. that gave Rolo his geass, and V.V.'s code was transferred to Charles, is it the same thing as Charles giving Rolo his geass? Then, could Rolo (obviously not anymore), could've taken Charles's code (with high level enough of Geass)
I'd freaking laugh if that was seriously what happened. We'd have the dude who wanted to become 'human,' wishing to die because he can't.

I think that makes sense though, since Charles took C.C.'s code and he wasn't contracted to her... Atleast, I don't remember/think so.
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Old 2008-08-24, 02:18   Link #1786
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How are they going to explain Zero's disappearance without losing all credibility?
Simple... Zero died in battle
most commanders stay on the sidelines so that they can live to give out orders, but zero put himself on the battlefield where he was put in as much danger as any other soldier... death for him on the battlefield would be very understandable... Hell thanks to Nina's WMD they don't even need to produce a body as they can say he was lost in the explosion
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Old 2008-08-24, 02:18   Link #1787
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Excessive show of force? the first time Lelouche was put in front of a group of soldiers armed with weapons and the intent to kill, he in turn kill all of them with a few words (and then he did it again the following season)... hell, knowing that he could kill them with a word and not knowing he needs eye contact (dear older brother could have left out details) really doesn't give them much of a option to let him speak as it could mean death; paranoia means to fear the most unlikely of things, but given what they "knew" this was not a paranoid reaction. That was kind of an understandable response considering what they were dealing with... not to mention that again, there really was nothing zero could have said to save his ass because the truth was just about as unbelievable as Britania's story, only zero had no "proof" to back it up

The writing for convincing the BK that zero was a geass user responsible for many innocent deaths was piss poor, but i think the reaction was fairly handled
I might agree with you were it not for their treatment of Kallen. The minute she even steps up to defend him, even asking to let him explain himself no less, she must be under the influence of Geass. This proves they are not thinking about this rationally. They bought into Schneizel's evidence and reacted in the worst possible way, for Zero at least. They just gathered the biggest group possible to kill Zero. That they had at least a dozen Knightmares on standby shows they weren't merely taking precautions. They just wanted him dead.

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tell that to the geass research department... years of research have been wiped out completely, for Britania to create another Rolo or Jeremiah again would mean to strat their reasearch all over form the very beginning

For her bomb, destroy the data and get rid of the few bombs that were made and the scientist will have to start all over since i doubt any of them commited the creation of the bomb to memory... normally not very possible, but a little "plot" can fix that
She'd have to erase every hard drive, take care of every scientist, and destroy every produced weapon. It isn't in her power to do so. As for Geass, the Sword of Akasha still exists, as do the Thought Elevators and everything else. All Lelouch did was wipe out civilians in the larger scheme of things, though a number were dangerous Geass users.

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eliminated? There would be nothing to stop new terrorist from coming up... the only thing need to create a terrorist is one very angry person with a means to harm others... the only way to "eliminate" terrorism once and for all is to make sure the people never have a reason to become terrorist in the first place... and oppressing people just won't do
The terrorists before Zero were a nuisance, and that's what they would become again. They would have been effectively eliminated, because the resistance Zero mounted was so above anything they could comprehend that it took something that drastic to destroy it.
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Old 2008-08-24, 02:42   Link #1788
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eliminated? There would be nothing to stop new terrorist from coming up... the only thing need to create a terrorist is one very angry person with a means to harm others... the only way to "eliminate" terrorism once and for all is to make sure the people never have a reason to become terrorist in the first place... and oppressing people just won't do
Well, in totalitarian regimes like the former Soviet Union, I'm quite sure that it's quite hard to induce terrorism even if someone is really angry. But that means they have no means to harm others though. So that's quite a valid point you got there.
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Old 2008-08-24, 09:20   Link #1789
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I might agree with you were it not for their treatment of Kallen. The minute she even steps up to defend him, even asking to let him explain himself no less, she must be under the influence of Geass. This proves they are not thinking about this rationally. They bought into Schneizel's evidence and reacted in the worst possible way, for Zero at least. They just gathered the biggest group possible to kill Zero. That they had at least a dozen Knightmares on standby shows they weren't merely taking precautions. They just wanted him dead.
If i recall they didn't shoot the instant he showed up and did give Kallen a chance to choose to stand there or move out of the way and let them shoot; they were prepared to kill her too but they didn't want to have to, but the geass did not make capture a strong option considering the geass; considering how many lives zero is responsible for loosing a death sentence was obvious and no one can stand in the way of that... hell in a sense they actually did give Zero a chance to speak before they shot him but he chose his last words not to be a denial but an admission of his guilt... in one fell swoop he removed any remaining doubt they may have had

not to mention, considering how Zero DID escape from that situation, it sounds like they didn't take enough precautions

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She'd have to erase every hard drive, take care of every scientist, and destroy every produced weapon. It isn't in her power to do so. As for Geass, the Sword of Akasha still exists, as do the Thought Elevators and everything else. All Lelouch did was wipe out civilians in the larger scheme of things, though a number were dangerous Geass users.
As for the Geass, the sword of Akasha and so forth are still around but the research about them has been successfully destroyed... those researchers were working on the geass, soldiers like Rolo and Jeremiah were some of the results of that research. With all of that data destroyed it will be many years before you see another Jeremiah as they would have to start all the research over again... the geass may still be around, but all the research is long gone

With the power of "plot" it is not unimaginable for Nina to be able to erase all of the data... hell, plot was the reason why they never made copies of the geass data and thus lead to all be destoryed in a single attack... it wouldn't be hard to them to say that they limited copying the WMD data; afterall, the fewer copies there are of the data the less likely it can be stolen by an enemy spy/hacker... She may not need to kill the scientists as they do not have the data committed to memory; erasing the data would still mean it would take months for them to recreate what she made... and who's to say for certain they could reverse engineer the other remaining bombs... hell she could just set off a bomb in the same ship they did in all the research and wipe out almost everything in one blow, including any scientist that might be able to recreate the bomb based off any remaining bombs... many ways to explain how to do this with a little help from plot

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The terrorists before Zero were a nuisance, and that's what they would become again. They would have been effectively eliminated, because the resistance Zero mounted was so above anything they could comprehend that it took something that drastic to destroy it.
The terrorist before zero were not a problem but a group like the japan liberation front was causing quite a bit of trouble; it took years for them to finally pin them down at that mountain... one of the major reasons the terrorist were not much of a threat is because they had barely anything to fight with... one of the major turning points was when they started getting access to knightmares, even Zero wouldn't have been able to do much without knightmares... the terrorists would be a nuisance at first, but that's only until the black market starts providing them with real weapons and/or when the terrorists start to act in very large numbers (such as massive riots and such)
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Old 2008-08-26, 03:31   Link #1790
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If i recall they didn't shoot the instant he showed up and did give Kallen a chance to choose to stand there or move out of the way and let them shoot; they were prepared to kill her too but they didn't want to have to, but the geass did not make capture a strong option considering the geass; considering how many lives zero is responsible for loosing a death sentence was obvious and no one can stand in the way of that... hell in a sense they actually did give Zero a chance to speak before they shot him but he chose his last words not to be a denial but an admission of his guilt... in one fell swoop he removed any remaining doubt they may have had
They didn't even tell Kallen about what they suspected or what they had planned. They used her though to pass on the message. She was their bait.
I hadn't even thought of that part yet. That's low.

Did make for a very emotional scene. Kallen saying she willing to die with Lelouch. She just wanted to know what she was to him. Pleading with him for an answer. Too bad he played the hero by acting the villain to save her life.
He waits till she's out of the line of fire and whispers what he thought were his last words. He had no idea Rolo was waiting to save him.
I just love the split second of shock in Kallen's eyes after she hears that. The heartbreaking plea to get them to stop.
Great scene over all. Just wish we could of seen her react to it more in episode 20. Oh, well.

Even earlier she seemed really upset when she thought Lelouch and C.C. had been fooling around while she was in jail. Why? Were they suppose to wait for her? Did she want to join in?

Still can't believe all those scenes with Nunnally came to another interruption. I take that back. I believe that. These two have been interrupted of scenes all season long.
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Old 2008-08-26, 03:40   Link #1791
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Didn't even notice this reply. Oh well, blame new episodes.

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If i recall they didn't shoot the instant he showed up and did give Kallen a chance to choose to stand there or move out of the way and let them shoot; they were prepared to kill her too but they didn't want to have to, but the geass did not make capture a strong option considering the geass; considering how many lives zero is responsible for loosing a death sentence was obvious and no one can stand in the way of that... hell in a sense they actually did give Zero a chance to speak before they shot him but he chose his last words not to be a denial but an admission of his guilt... in one fell swoop he removed any remaining doubt they may have had

not to mention, considering how Zero DID escape from that situation, it sounds like they didn't take enough precautions
You can hardly defend against de facto teleportation. They didn't know Lelouch could do that. Their precautions had him. Plus, look at what Rolo went through. He had to wipe out dozens of mechs and an airship at the cost of his life. They were that prepared to kill him.

They weren't going to give him an opportunity to speak. Kallen's presence merely gave them enough pause to get a word in. They'd have shot him dead if he had come alone.

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As for the Geass, the sword of Akasha and so forth are still around but the research about them has been successfully destroyed... those researchers were working on the geass, soldiers like Rolo and Jeremiah were some of the results of that research. With all of that data destroyed it will be many years before you see another Jeremiah as they would have to start all the research over again... the geass may still be around, but all the research is long gone
As this latest episode notes, there were documents left behind. The research wasn't completely destroyed, only set back, and not much at that. Charles has the knowledge of what they've done, the means to continue it, and more importantly the ultimate result, intact.

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With the power of "plot" it is not unimaginable for Nina to be able to erase all of the data... hell, plot was the reason why they never made copies of the geass data and thus lead to all be destoryed in a single attack... it wouldn't be hard to them to say that they limited copying the WMD data; afterall, the fewer copies there are of the data the less likely it can be stolen by an enemy spy/hacker... She may not need to kill the scientists as they do not have the data committed to memory; erasing the data would still mean it would take months for them to recreate what she made... and who's to say for certain they could reverse engineer the other remaining bombs... hell she could just set off a bomb in the same ship they did in all the research and wipe out almost everything in one blow, including any scientist that might be able to recreate the bomb based off any remaining bombs... many ways to explain how to do this with a little help from plot
Schneizel's power of plot outweighs hers. He controls everything that comes from his projects. So too does he control Nina's work. No doubt he would take steps to keep it safe in case she had second thoughts.

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The terrorist before zero were not a problem but a group like the japan liberation front was causing quite a bit of trouble; it took years for them to finally pin them down at that mountain... one of the major reasons the terrorist were not much of a threat is because they had barely anything to fight with... one of the major turning points was when they started getting access to knightmares, even Zero wouldn't have been able to do much without knightmares... the terrorists would be a nuisance at first, but that's only until the black market starts providing them with real weapons and/or when the terrorists start to act in very large numbers (such as massive riots and such)
Even with Knightmares, they were still just a nuisance. The Britannian army still had better tech and better resources. Only Zero was capable of making them more.
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Old 2008-08-27, 04:48   Link #1792
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Simple... Zero died in battle
most commanders stay on the sidelines so that they can live to give out orders, but zero put himself on the battlefield where he was put in as much danger as any other soldier... death for him on the battlefield would be very understandable... Hell thanks to Nina's WMD they don't even need to produce a body as they can say he was lost in the explosion
Impossible they already told "he died next morning because his injuries were too serious" or something like this... i don't quite remember.
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this episode was really sad for me and it still makes me cry. When Lelouch yelled at Rolo for the first time I wanted someone to smack him across the face, but at least he lied to Rolo one last time so he could die happily
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