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Old 2008-08-28, 11:11   Link #20001
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That would be funny

However, Lelouch did understand that taking control of others agnist thier will is evil, and it was him who kept saying that the Geass was the power of the devil.
Yes. but he didn't know how dangerous it really was till it was too late.
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:12   Link #20002
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Selfishness becomes evil when you destroy people to have that selfishness fulfilled. So your point fails miserably.
Then what is Evil?? Why is destroying other people to gain your wish evil??. Never liked dictionaries....
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:13   Link #20003
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Then what is Evil?? Why is destroying other people to gain your wish evil??
My wish is to have all your stuff. So I kill you and take it all.
Does that work for you?
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:13   Link #20004
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Then what is Evil?? Why is destroying other people to gain your wish evil??. Never liked dictionaries....
Do I really have to answer that or are you joking?
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:13   Link #20005
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Not exactly. The geass power is created to fit the users desire or wish, and unlike Lelouch's wish for revenge, C.C. wanted to be loved. Her Geass was one with pure intentions that became evil in the end.
Uhhh.... Her wish didn't become evil. She wanted to be loved, and she gained "love", but couldn't differentiate between true and false love.
She probably wished to die only after 100-150 years of living, when she became tired of living. But it's not like it's evil to want to die.
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:13   Link #20006
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Anything that bends other people against their wills means the power is down right twisted and evil.
I am not saying it isn't, what I am saying is that the intentions of C.C. having a Geass was very different from Lelouch's, who controled people for his sake.
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:14   Link #20007
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I am not saying it isn't, what I am saying is that the intentions of C.C. having a Geass was very different from Lelouch's, who controled people for his sake.
She controlled people for her own sake as well. Forcing people to love you is controlling them.
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:14   Link #20008
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My wish is to have all your stuff. So I kill you and take it all.
Does that work for you?
If you can kill me

also i found this interesting
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?i...7389820na4.jpg
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:14   Link #20009
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I am not saying it isn't, what I am saying is that the intentions of C.C. having a Geass was very different from Lelouch's, who controled people for his sake.
Except when C.C. had Geass, she did the same damn thing Lelouch did. Manipulated people against their wills for her sake. Just on different terms.
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:16   Link #20010
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If you can kill me
It is an example of selfishness becoming evil. Which is the point Var is trying to make.

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also i found this interesting
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All I need to know now is what they are saying.<.<
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:18   Link #20011
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Then what is Evil?? Why is destroying other people to gain your wish evil??. Never liked dictionaries....
whoa did you actually say that?
Whoa
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:19   Link #20012
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She controlled people for her own sake as well. Forcing people to love you is controlling them.
Indeed. But geassed people didn't have problem with it. Actually, I think they where happy. Geass made them fall in love. Doesn't love makes you happy? It's for you she was controlling them. They didn't feel anything wrong with it.
But when her geass became more powerful... and they became obsessed... i think there where some problems wwith them.
Maybe we also are being controlled. By Geass. Or by some other superpower...
Ahhh. Paranoia is starting again!!!
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:20   Link #20013
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I am not trying to say that what C.C. had done was right. What I am saying is when she first had the Geass, she used it to be loved. Does that make her a bad person?

Is the geass an evil power? yes

Is forcing people to love you right? no

Was C.C. wrong in wanting to be loved? no
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:20   Link #20014
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That would be funny

However, Lelouch did understand that taking control of others agnist thier will is evil, and it was him who kept saying that the Geass was the power of the devil.
Yes ofc, Lelouch took a stroll down the path of evil knowingly and willingly in order to achieve his goals. That's one thing I like about him as a protagonist. I really enjoyed his line in Turn 4 where he gave us his view on the matter.

The power of Geass is an absolute power though. Looking at all the different manifestations of the power we know for a fact that it is used for controlling the minds of those around you, hence "the Power of the King". Start tossing something like that around and the world WILL erupt in global chaos. We are talking about human beings. For the world to be safe from the power it has to be ridden from it. That the protagonist accepted the power even though knowing about the danger doesn't change the fact that it's a power that the world is better off without.
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:21   Link #20015
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I am not trying to say that what C.C. had done was right. What I am saying is when she first had the Geass, she used it to be loved. Does that make her a bad person?

Is the geass an evil power? yes

Is forcing people to love you right? no

Was C.C. wrong in wanting to be loved? no
Was C.C. wrong in forcing people to love her? Yes.
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:21   Link #20016
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Indeed. But geassed people didn't have problem with it.
Yeah. When the Geass wore off they didn't try and kill her or anything.
That is like saying "Euphie didn't care she was killing a bunch of Japanese."

Manipulating people's free will is just that.

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Actually, I think they where happy. Geass made them fall in love. Doesn't love makes you happy? It's for you she was controlling them. They didn't feel anything wrong with it.
No. Geass MADE them fall in love with someone they really didn't love.

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But when her geass became more powerful... and they became obsessed... i think there where some problems wwith them.
Maybe we also are being controlled. By Geass. Or by some other superpower...
Ahhh. Paranoia is starting again!!!
.... Are you sure you know how Geass really works? Your post here seems to say you haven't been paying good attention... like... at all...
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:21   Link #20017
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Selfishness becomes evil when you destroy people to have that selfishness fulfilled. So your point fails miserably.
It won't change the fact that selfishness itself is not an evil deed. Selfishness with intention to kill would be othercase, but C.C never intented to kill people from the beginning, that's what I believe. Then again, she didn't know what her actions, made by the selfishness would cause. See previous post for explanations:http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=19987

It's the same for each entity of selfishness, unless it's was purely to kill. As I've told she can't forecast future...
It(selfishness) doesn't become evil just by mere random events.
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:22   Link #20018
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Was C.C. wrong in forcing people to love her? Yes.
I just said that

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Is forcing people to love you right? no
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:23   Link #20019
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Yes, but wanting to be loved through forcing people to love her, Arabesque, is wrong.
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Old 2008-08-28, 11:24   Link #20020
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