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Old 2008-08-30, 17:13   Link #301
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Nice, detailed explanation/speculation, Peroyasha~ I enjoyed reading through it and seeing your thoughts on the matter. (I think you've come to a lot more conclusions than I have: I only know Schrodinger's Cat, am confusing myself, and am pretty much waiting semi-resignedly for the answer arcs. Ehe).

About the Italian in the full OP... I know it's there (under all the Japanese chanting), as I can always hear the 'senzo amore' at the end, but I find it hard to hear (probably because of aforementioned Japanese chanting). Is the entirety of the Italian chanting before the main verses start? If so, they're pretty fast... and pretty indistinct. (I do have severe soramimi problems, but I have to agree with some commenters on Nico that some parts sound more like 'Negima' and 'VIPPER' than anything distinguishable...).
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Old 2008-08-30, 17:35   Link #302
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Nice, detailed explanation/speculation, Peroyasha~ I enjoyed reading through it and seeing your thoughts on the matter. (I think you've come to a lot more conclusions than I have: I only know Schrodinger's Cat, am confusing myself, and am pretty much waiting semi-resignedly for the answer arcs. Ehe).

About the Italian in the full OP... I know it's there (under all the Japanese chanting), as I can always hear the 'senzo amore' at the end, but I find it hard to hear (probably because of aforementioned Japanese chanting). Is the entirety of the Italian chanting before the main verses start? If so, they're pretty fast... and pretty indistinct. (I do have severe soramimi problems, but I have to agree with some commenters on Nico that some parts sound more like 'Negima' and 'VIPPER' than anything distinguishable...).
It comes before the the main verses and after as well
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some question for you, Peroyasha
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Old 2008-08-30, 19:08   Link #305
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some question for you, Peroyasha
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It seems you didn't understand well the issue in my first reasoning
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Old 2008-08-30, 19:25   Link #308
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I knew that Beatrice was good inside

Well, we'll see how long that will last.
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I dunno if you mentioned it before, peroyasha (or anyone else) in episode 2, but there is another fundamental weakness in red text

basically, when beatrice defines a condition or so (i.e, "instant death" in episode 3), she NEVER defines the word in RED.
Basically, if we assume that she gives a fake or roundabout definition, that would mean the red text is "essentially true" but FALSE in its meaning. In other words, the red text is still the truth, but the way how you can interpret due the false or vague definition will give you an erroneous result.

And knowing how Beato has the habit to abuse of cheap tricks and deceiving stunts, that looks extremely pausible to me.
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Old 2008-08-30, 19:41   Link #311
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basically, when beatrice defines a condition or so (i.e, "instant death" in episode 3), she NEVER defines the word in RED.
Didn't Battler bring that up in Episode 2 and when he told Beato to clearly say something in red she got flustered
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Old 2008-08-30, 19:43   Link #312
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Some scenes are told out of sequence, but for two scenes right next to each other to be told in opposite order......well, I guess that could be the case.
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That might be possible... I have vague memories about the whole deal in episode 2 meta world
Did she explain that it would be too ridiculous or so?
Honestly, using red would be at her advantage, nevertheless, using white words here are not exactly proof of "almighty truth".
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Old 2008-08-30, 20:10   Link #314
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That might be possible... I have vague memories about the whole deal in episode 2 meta world
I guess that's one of the benefits of traslating... you have stuck in your head
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Did she explain that it would be too ridiculous or so?
IIRC Beato just throws out another batch of red text
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Honestly, using red would be at her advantage, nevertheless, using white words here are not exactly proof of "almighty truth".
Well it's never said that the truth has to be in red, just whatever said in red is true.
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Yep, though the problem is that leaving text is white can give too much room for battler to find out troublesome details etc, so well.

Now, after a lot of brainstorming, there is one particular HUGE flaw in the red text of the final part of ep3
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Old 2008-08-30, 20:35   Link #316
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Sorry to interrupt the theory fest ( ), but I must say, Peroyasha, your speculations are pretty awesome (and so are Klashikari's and Sterling's followups). Yes, I'm a bit late to the party, but I just want to say that. It's obvious that you guys understand so much, while I understand so little.

Ah well, it'll be nice to see the conclusions you come up with.
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One particular thing we must always remember is that the red text is very distracting. It can be something that can distract us from all the possibilities. Yea, they do give alot of leeway and can be interpreted in so many ways.

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Well it's never said that the truth has to be in red, just whatever said in red is true.
That means that it's only stating ONE possibilities usually.

As for the first twilight, can anyone tell me how the rooms are set up, like distance apart? There were some red text following it too.
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Old 2008-08-30, 20:52   Link #318
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I have a question... it may be stupid but I haven't found a direct answer for it so I'll just ask.

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Old 2008-08-30, 21:00   Link #319
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I'd assume she would have, seeing as Hideyoshi says

"I was expecting to see her face, after so long."

There's no evidence that the Battler Family and the George Family live near each other.

Though it's really depends on how you look at it.
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Old 2008-08-30, 21:30   Link #320
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Ahh that makes sense, thanks. ^^
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