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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 22 Rating
Perfect 10 94 58.39%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 41 25.47%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 10 6.21%
7 out of 10 : Good 3 1.86%
6 out of 10 : Average 5 3.11%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 1.24%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 6 3.73%
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Old 2008-09-06, 11:00   Link #381
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Brera? Seriously D8?
Lolisugar girl and Slut man who wears SUNGLASSES in the classroom??

Slutman who is two times as tall;;?
Slutman who dresses way more sexily than Ranka???!?!?

I'd rather Alto if that's the case.
*shudder*

I don't think any man in the show fits with Ranka...she just looks too disturbingly young, and Luca looks...plain disturbing.
I'd actually support her more with Nanase if Nanase wasn't so...artistically and mentally stunted D8;;;
I mean seriously, compared to the awesomely cute outfits, insightful and utterly pretty Tomoyo from Card Captor Sakura makes, she doesn't DESERVE to be part of the archetype.

I find evilly sugary characters like Ranka more suited with ruffly tsundere boys more >A>
I mean, the kind that says awful mean things and openly claims you're a total and utter moron yet would...in the shadows do absolutely anything for you.
Not tall bishounen who are possibly closetted gays (...I'm sorry. Alto is more lesbian isn't he;;; ).
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Old 2008-09-06, 11:04   Link #382
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This has been posted before, but this series is definitely becoming like GSD.
GSD doesn't deserve to be compared to Frontier in any department IMO.

And also, Grace O'Connor > Lacus Clyne. :P
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Old 2008-09-06, 11:07   Link #383
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Brera is her brother. There is no chance for BreraxRanka. Kawamori isn't the type to go for incest. I can't wait for the next episode because it will once and for all kill this whole BreraxRanka nonsense.

I don't think Sheryl and Alto did anything after that scene. Maybe a kiss. That's it. There is no real evidence that they did anything more. The whole jacket thing is not evidence to me. He could have just felt like taking the damn thing off. Until I am presented with hard evidence (such as dialogue mentioning/alluding to it) then I won't believe it.
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Old 2008-09-06, 11:12   Link #384
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@zalem: I swear, if the animation crew of MF read what you've written they will be very VERY sad x_X
Not all things in the world have to be outspoken and blatant you know >_< Sometimes it's all about implied effect.

I'm not saying it HAS to be sex, but it's SHOULD raise suspicion seeing as the moment was only about 2 seconds long. There was no need for them to draw him wearing the jacket differently there- yet they did.
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Old 2008-09-06, 11:23   Link #385
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I've seen implied scenes done much better then that. Call me skeptical. The kiss I can believe because of the actions of Sheryl and Alto has the scene panned up, anything more I just don't. If there was more follow up evidence like Alto getting up from the floor beside her or him looking a bit more disheveled then I'd be more likely to believe it.
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Old 2008-09-06, 11:53   Link #386
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I've seen implied scenes done much better then that. Call me skeptical. The kiss I can believe because of the actions of Sheryl and Alto has the scene panned up, anything more I just don't. If there was more follow up evidence like Alto getting up from the floor beside her or him looking a bit more disheveled then I'd be more likely to believe it.
D-Boy and Aki near the end of Tekkaman Blade showed nothing more than kissing over a pot of coffee at his parents' old house and the curtain blowing in the wind, yet you knew they had sex. Hikaru and Misa kiss over the dinner table on Earth in DYRL, then Misa came up behind Hikaru in the morning and zipped up the front of her flight suit, yet you knew they had sex.

I personally don't think Alto and Sheryl had sex, but they definitely kissed. And its' not out of the realm of possibilities that they could have done the dirty deed.

Skeptical is just one of the words I would describe you, the way your posts have read on AS.
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Old 2008-09-06, 12:02   Link #387
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...I'm not saying it HAS to be sex, but it's SHOULD raise suspicion seeing as the moment was only about 2 seconds long.

OK, I know its not what you meant, but I lol'd when I read this and then thought about the idea of SxA having sex....

S:"...but I've waited for you for so long."
A:"I'm sorry... I don't know what happened. I must have been too excited. This has never happened to me before..."


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Old 2008-09-06, 12:07   Link #388
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gahhhh!!! where the heck are the subs???? i must've developed OCD after refreshing xyz times at tokyotosho for the past 5 hours....

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Old 2008-09-06, 12:10   Link #389
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Skeptical is just one of the words I would describe you, the way your posts have read on AS.
Sorry, I believe in facts and evidence. If it's based on an implication it better be a damn strong implication that's all.
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Old 2008-09-06, 12:12   Link #390
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GSD doesn't deserve to be compared to Frontier in any department IMO.

And also, Grace O'Connor > Lacus Clyne. :P
You know whats funny, the voice actor for Shinn Asuka in GSD is also the same voice actor for Shin Kudo in Macross Zero.

Talk about irony.

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Old 2008-09-06, 12:14   Link #391
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Sorry, I believe in facts and evidence. If it's based on an implication it better be a damn strong implication that's all.
Does it even matter whether or not they kissed/had sex?

I mean they could have Alto go back to Ranka the moment she re-appears and everything that occurred before with Sherly just goes out the window.

Or Alto and Sherly would just continue right after.

Unless they release something on the likes of Kira/Fllay...
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Old 2008-09-06, 12:18   Link #392
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Does it even matter whether or not they kissed/had sex?

I mean they could have Alto go back to Ranka the moment she re-appears and everything that occurred before with Sherly just goes out the window.
We're not arguing about which ship will win out or whether this scene will actually impact the ship, just over whether the sex occurred or didn't . As for the pairings, you're right....god knows what Kawamori will throw at us. Hopefully a cure for Sheryl and a SherylxAlto end. But it could be anything...
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Old 2008-09-06, 12:20   Link #393
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^ If I see any inkling of Ranka x Alto after this episode, I'm blowing up my computer.
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Old 2008-09-06, 12:27   Link #394
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About the scene between Sheryl and Alto: errr dunno, if they kissed that's nice but I'm not really expecting them to have done anything more because Sheryl knows how her disease gets trasmitted o_o After she did so much for Alto's sake would she be so irresponsible to risk infecting him? If she did something like that it would feel a bit out of character for me honestly (and before anyone says they could use protection, even then in her place would you still take the chance of infecting him, no matter how small it could be? I wouldn't D: )
I guess the virus is not transmited by just kissing, because Sheryl already had kissed alto before.
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Old 2008-09-06, 12:32   Link #395
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Does it even matter whether or not they kissed/had sex?

I mean they could have Alto go back to Ranka the moment she re-appears and everything that occurred before with Sherly just goes out the window.
I think that whether they have had sex or not, is significant. At least through western eyes it would be. I don't know how the Japanese mores play out in this situation, but I believe the attitude about sex is different from the US or Europe... Can I get a ruling on that?

After having read all the arguments about the draped jacket and putting that into the Macross context of the scene in DYRL where Misa zips up her flightsuit, I'm conceding that for SxA, the opportunity and motive were there... probably guilty as charged.

Alto has up to now shown that he's going to try to do "what's right by the girl" so to speak. So I'd find it strange for him to one night stand Sheryl and go running to Ranka when she shows up again, no matter how much she's matured. Now if there were a second season in the offing and he turns back to Ranka in 6 months time.... that's a whole different scenario. For now, I'm thinking the SxA shippers may have it "in the sack."
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I guess the virus is not transmited by just kissing, because Sheryl already had kissed alto before.
Hmm I'm not a doctor but even AIDs isn't transmissible through kissing (or at the very least the risk is low). Salivia in itself is not sufficient to transmit viruses.

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I think that whether they have had sex or not, is significant. At least through western eyes it would be. I don't know how the Japanese mores play out in this situation, but I believe the attitude about sex is different from the US or Europe... Can I get a ruling on that?
Yeah well Macross Frontier (or anime in general) is made for an asian audience, not a western audience so keep that in mind.
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Old 2008-09-06, 12:34   Link #397
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He's wearing his jacket properly and then after the scene his jacket is hanging on his shoulder.
I say that pretty much clarifies the situation
they did the deed! I didn't catch the thing about the jackets just being over his shoulders.
Well, that confirms! I don't know how i missed that!
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Old 2008-09-06, 12:36   Link #398
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If he did have sex with her (besides having already pledged to stay by her side) and he goes chasing Ranka then he truly is an ass. There better be a damn good explanation for it....like Sheryl pushing him to go find her or something.

I still don't know if I buy this draped jacket thing as evidence of sex though. *goes back to look at screencap*
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If he did have sex with her (besides having already pledged to stay by her side) and he goes chasing Ranka then he truly is an ass. There better be a damn good explanation for it....like Sheryl pushing him to go find her or something.

I still don't know if I buy this draped jacket thing as evidence of sex though. *goes back to look at screencap*
Well one could argue this way.

If he stays with Sherly, then you could argue that they had sex. (afterall Kira was naked but then was shown with his shirt on and such)

If he runs off with Ranka, well then you could argue that they never had sex. Though that doesn't negate the things he said and promised her.
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Hmm I'm not a doctor but even AIDs isn't transmissible through kissing (or at the very least the risk is low). Salivia in itself is not sufficient to transmit viruses.
You'd need to drink a gallon of saliva to get HIV. I'd assume it's the same for the V-Virus.
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