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What bad guys are interesting or not completely depend on the reader.
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Well, ultimately everything is perspective. So if you want to play that game, I can say that what X is/are Y is completely dependent on the reader. Do you want to post and let me do it to you? It gets real old, and is used as a child move. People who really don't give a damn simply don't post or ignore the post. =] I have nothing against that, whether I ignore people or others ignore me.
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A more suitable comparison then Windows to Linux would be FF7 to Xenogears; Xenogears; despite its rushed second disk, was a far more interesting game then FF7, but FF7 is considered a bigger success.
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Success is the only universal way of agreeing what works. The word interesting is all dependent on the gamer no? Ho Ho Ho. Either way, FF7 obviously > Xenogears.
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WoW vs any newer MMO would be the same way; the new MMO could be better gameplay and mechanics wise, but none of them will ever match WoW's success. (A fact I despise)
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Do you truly believe another MMO can beat WoW in overall game play and mechanics? That is the funniest thing ever, considering WoW's success in the millions does not result in anything else. A small factor comes from the old fanbase, yes, during which the FIRST year it sold like what? A million? Maybe a bit more. That's nice, but that's not 60% of the market. What do you think made WoW the biggest fattest, most successful monopolizer of MMOs? It's AMAZING graphics that even my 6 year old laptop can play? No, it's the polished game play and mechanics that receive numerous updates over the years. You can name any MMO you want, and I can name you more exploits and imbalances than you can name in WoW. I don't even play WoW anymore either (was sponsored to play), and I've never liked it, but I do acknowledge Blizzard's quality control over a game. Have you seen how far they took the game in just one year of release? Or even a couple of months? The game evolves by leaps and bounds in polish, something stuff like Age of Conan or what not cannot even come close to. New mechanics and new game play features are what new MMOs offer, but they mostly lack one thing, and that's polish. Warhammer might be different, but so far, most games fail to understand that the reason Blizzard has a track record of 100% is not because they are innovative, but they play it safe and only use things and release things that they know have a 100% chance of not sucking in a big way. The fact that you can hate a game or a product over it's success especially over general statements just goes to show how deep your thinking is.
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More successful does not = better in every way, especially when one franchise has been established for years, and the other is relatively new.
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The sky is blue, the grass is green. Yeah okay, so what? The point is, when the success of two different products is significant, there is more than just excuses. I've eaten at restaurants that I thought were far better than other 3-star restaurants at a much cheaper price, but ultimately there are enough reasons over time that make me understand why the first restaurant will always be low class. Say the first restaurant was in the middle of nowhere, then eventually the quality of food will be lower for many reasons. Eventually, that 3-star restaurant is better in quality just like it was to be. Just because your franchise is better in one way, doesn't mean you can survive on it alone. As time goes on, the other franchises can copy your techniques and traits, while you get left out in the dust. Isn't that how the evolution of entertainment or even anything in this world goes?
You might say FF is boring compared to Xenosaga, and heck I can even agree, but the one factor you forget is that the people of Japan like FF more, and due to that, they were able to sell more, and therefore get more money, and therefore develop more. It takes REAL talent to have something that can't be copied, something that is seen less than winning billion dollar jack pots. Anything else is just something you currently rely on to survive that hasn't been copied yet. Nothing more.
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I personally never really bonded with any of the OP villians at all, I just found some of their powers entertaining and that was basically it. The fact Natsu's Iron Dragon counterpart sticks so well in my memory is because I actually cared, I can't recall a single OP villian that interests me that much. (Unless we count Robin for the time she was a villian)
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=] I don't bond with squat, I just acknowledge the characters. If you watched the OP anime, and you can actually forget about the CP9 arc or the Sky Island arc yet remember Iron Dragon, then you already have something about you that obviously the masses don't. If you didn't, then that's your problem. I already said it, the main thing OP has over FT is the anime. Finding their powers entertaining is already enough, as Gerard pretty much showed us how an end boss can be completely boring and generic to the max.
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Longer lasting villian doesn't equal good villian either, in Gantz the first time they had a big bad last a significant amount of time; the fans were clawing their eyes out that the Nuri wouldn't freaking die, despite the fact he brought up a lot of interesting questions just before his defeat.
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Gantz is a bi-weekly if not monthly series. Nuri lasted 2 years in production. Pretty sure that hasn't happened since Namek on Dragonball. It's a big difference than anything other series so far have done in this generation. It's about time versus results. We can say the same thing about Gerard. He's been the big cheese for the entire time FT started, why does he suck so much even though he is so significant to Erza in the arc? Because they wasted all this time on him. If say, he was for 1-2 arcs, then he'd be a perfectly acceptable character.
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Umm, don't get me started on how blood-tear painfully boring some OP arcs were, even if they did develop backstory. The only OP backstory arc I liked at all was Robins.
Btw, your post seems to be filled with a lot of aggression towards FT for some reason.
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YHBT'd =] aka you believe in reading out loud when people type in caps. It goes to show how much hold the internet and it's text has over you.
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A small segment is still character development, and you missed the entire point of why I brought it up; you asked for character development, and in 1-2 chapters of FT I got more character development then 4-6 chapters of OP, and for a non-major character. (At least at the moment)
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Trust me, if we got some hardcore OP fan in here, he'd give you buckets that rivaled this. I can say Camie/Hatchie's chapters in the current OP arc already dwarf Lluvia/Lucy, and they are minor characters that won't reappear for a long time after this arc. What's your point? It's ultimately "perspective" if you want to say NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.
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No, the main baddie of all of FT so far would be Zeref. (As I brought up; he has been involved in 3 of the 4 major arcs so far)
Gerard was a villian who was planted early on to develop Erza, not be the main bad guy of the entire story.
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Ummm, Zeref is acting through Gerard. So before we KNEW all this Zeref possesses Gerard crap, it's impossible to acknowledge anything other than the fact that Gerard was the current main baddie. I don't go OH MADARA IS THE MAIN BADDIE OF NARUTO cause HE WAS BROUGHT UP THE MOMENT ITACHI ARRIVED. Wha? Zeref at this point you don't even know if he WILL come back. He might just be a super boss that NEVER will come. The fact that you even tried to argue this fact was beyond silly, and proves you like using specific details over actual outlines. When a NEW reader reads FT for the first time, does he think of Zeref first or Gerard? It's like saying hey man, do you think of the Old Geezer first or Igneel when you think "who's the biggest bad ass of the good guys?" Obviously if you haven't seen 101 yet, you CAN'T SAY IGNEEL. If you do, you are just tunnel visioned into the characters that haven't even come into play yet. Background importance =/= main villain until they APPEAR.
You want a perfectly good example? Let's look at Slayers. The Lord of Nightmares is the ultimate bad guy, seeing as how she wants to squash everything she created. She is constantly hinted through out the series, right from the get go too. So is she the main villain? Or is Rezo/Copy Rezo/Gaarv/Phibrizzo the main baddies of each arc? And here's the funny part too, LoM DOES come into play in the series, so at this point, she's more of a player than Zeref. There's not a single slayers watcher that thinks LoM is the main villain.
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No, that is needless speculation, not inner conflict. A better comparison would have been Sasuke vs Naruto; which is just as much full of hate, teenage angst, etc.
If you want "Inner" conflict as in Fairy Tail members fighting each other, I'm pretty sure the Master's grandson will bring that about soon enough.
Shonen isn't just about ego; a shonen without development is a bad shonen.
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That's rivalry. The main point of most shonens. =] you can call it what you will, you can call what I say what you will, but my speculations are more important than your inner conflict. How many threads are there about side characters and X vs Y in shonen threads and how many rivalry threads are there? You can figure that one out PRETTY EASILY. I don't care what you NAME my terms, the fact that you acknowledged them already gave me the victory. Try claiming Sasuke vs Naruto is the focal point of naruto fans right now. Try it. No one gives a CRAP.
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Yes, it does matter. The big cheese for a SINGLE ARC is different then the big cheese for an ENTIRE STORY. I don't ever know why we are talking about Naruto; Orochimaru should be dead by now, but instead they drag his worthless lifespan out for no real reason at all. Crocodile is technically a big cheese because he is (was) a member of OP's "BIG BAD" squad.
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So? That's still a boss. What's your point? This is another example where you take a term I used (of course I don't claim that my term is definitive, but it'd be nice if we just used the same damn terms/definitions) and change it's definition yet avoid the point I make. This isn't arguing, it's beating around the bush because you have nothing else to say. If you claim Crocodile is a big cheese, then you already lost. The shichibukai are employed by the WORLD GOVERNMENT. That means they are BELOW something. They might not listen, but by TECHNICAL terms, they ARE below. There are also SEVEN of them and only ONE FLEET admiral and THREE admirals. Numbers clearly show the superiority of the marine staff. I even used your own "big cheese" definition against you.
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Sephiroth was the big Cheese of FF7; Jenova was just a tool to move his story along.
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DURRR GUESS WHAT ZEREF WAS?
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I never considered Don Krieg a big bad either; he was introduced as a guy whose entire pirate fleet just got wasted by a single guy; THAT single guy is a big bad.
Don Krieg is much like how I see Jerard for this arc; an arc villian; not a big bad; there is a difference.
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He was a big bad, albeit for only a few seconds. You can call him an arc villain if you want, but that's pretty much the definition I gave big cheese anyways. Good for you, please re-write websters if you get the chance.
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basically defines most of the arcs in OP.
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Yes, but it's one LONG adventure. So therefore it never needs to be said again. There is no BREAK from it. Whereas in FT you go okay I'm back guys. LETS GO AGAIN. It's a different system. Did you not get what I said about how OP deals with extra casts better? The fact that Erza invited her friends to FT pretty much proved my story. More cast = more wasted screen time on cannon fodder. You can't say no, because we pity them, and it's the right thing to do for these types of stories. So now you got 3 more useless people.
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Third; Natsu is way cooler then Luffy; Luffy on occasions has moments were I go "hey, that was cool."
Natsu entertains me almost every fight he gets in.
The latest example is most certainly when Natsu mentions "Fairy Tail wizards specialize in property damage."
You can go back a few pages and see how everyone here absolutely loves Natsu for that statment alone.
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We are in the FT thread, obviously people will like it when it's damn obvious. We can also go to the OP thread and they have like, a GIANT thread probably bigger than the entire FT thread about Luffy this Luffy that. What's your point? Your statements are BIASED, all PERSPECTIVE based.
Also, here's the funny thing, read my posts again.
1. I acknowledge Natsu is a "cooler character" than Luffy
2. I acknowledge Natsu has a better look than Luffy
3. I outlined why Natsu is inferior to Luffy in fighting (you however stated jack squat about his fighting panels/portrayal)
4. I stated why Luffy's more silly and plain character fits his role better
You want me to reply to you how you reply to me? Luffy is for friends and family and people of all ages, while Natsu is for teenagers who are angry and looking for a bad ass hero to look up to. OHHHH GOOODY. VERY GENERIC. VERY OBVIOUS. VERY POINTLESS. It's posts like these that reward you with caps lock. Ask yourself this every time you post, if you wrote like this on an ESSAY, or if you did a MATH TEST without showing the WORK DONE, WILL YOU PASS? The ANSWER is your conclusion (AKA YOUR OPINION/BIAS), the work done is the FACTS/CONCEPTS/INSIGHTS. You so far have ZERRROOOO.
It's funny how I've stated more about Natsu than you have, and you just pretty much take my statements, simplify them, and hand them in to me.
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I know people who have outright refused to read OP due to how much they hate Luffy's character design.
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I know vice versa people too, what's your point? ANOTHER GENERIC ANGRY HERO WITH AN ELEMENTAL SKILL?
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As for how FT reminds you of OP, as a reader of Rave Master I immediatly connected Fairy Tail to Rave Master over OP, even before I realized that it was done by the same guy.
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I connected FT to Rave master in chapter one. Before the first arc ended I already re-connected it to One Piece because of the lack of people DYING and the lack of REAL DANGER. Rave master is like 666 Satan. They are the counter parts to their more popular successors (though it was the brother who did 666 satan not the naruto guy), RM and OPH both take killing and dying more seriously, offer quicker developments and of course, the stories end faster. RM and OPH both also have a "THIS AIN'T GETTING BETTER" type thing, where as OP/FT you struggle with balance, where there are various points you can go "hey, they can take a vacation now!"
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) If she looks anything like Erza, Lucy is being dropped off the no.2 spot like a hot potato.
"Focus entirely on me, you ordinary soldier."
