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Old 2008-09-12, 11:58   Link #9801
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Well, she WAS a Terrorist. But NOW she isn't. Since the UFN is officially recognized as a set of nations now and that is who she fights for.
Well, just because terrorists form a nation doesn't mean that they aren't terrorists anymore. After all, Charles never recognized them as a nation, and the Black Knights have always been terrorists to Britannia.
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Old 2008-09-12, 12:02   Link #9802
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Well, there are those who think, that everyone who is tainted in blood and did something bad should die ( coughOugibasherscough).
But this way everyone from "with face" characters will die.
Ougi's not tainted with blood as he was pretty much useless at anything he did. Pilot a Knightmare semi-decently? Nope, terrible at it, had to eject all the fucking tme. Lead a terrorist cell? Nope, failed miserably at that too, almost got all his people killed were it not for Zero.

The reason Ougi needs to die is not because he's tainted with blood, it's because he's an ingrate little piece of crap.
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Old 2008-09-12, 12:02   Link #9803
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Well, just because terrorists form a nation doesn't mean that they aren't terrorists anymore. After all, Charles never recognized them as a nation, and the Black Knights have always been terrorists to Britannia.
They are working with world leaders now and are no longer really attacking anything more than military targets. They are the army of the UFN after all and Charles is gone. Both Schneizel and Lelouch consider them more than Terrorists now judging by their actions (Schneizel sat down and discussed terms with them and Lelouch when he became emperor offered to 'join.')
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Old 2008-09-12, 12:07   Link #9804
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Ougi's not tainted with blood as he was pretty much useless at anything he did. Pilot a Knightmare semi-decently? Nope, terrible at it, had to eject all the fucking tme. Lead a terrorist cell? Nope, failed miserably at that too, almost got all his people killed were it not for Zero.

The reason Ougi needs to die is not because he's tainted with blood, it's because he's an ingrate little piece of crap.
He was helping maintain OoTBk in season 1 and in season 2 ( though, he indeed wasn't very good in R2 after meeting with Viletta).
Lelouch wouldn't appoint him as "insert a very good rank" if he wouldn't do his job.

What you mean he is not tainted with blood? He was a terrorist. And he was with OoTBk, who were, you know, killing people.
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Old 2008-09-12, 12:09   Link #9805
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They are working with world leaders now and are no longer really attacking anything more than military targets. They are the army of the UFN after all and Charles is gone. Both Schneizel and Lelouch consider them more than Terrorists now judging by their actions (Schneizel sat down and discussed terms with them and Lelouch when he became emperor offered to 'join.')
Schneizel wanted to get his hands on Lelouch, that's the only reason he lowered himself and negotiated with Terrorists. But then he's too nice and allowed his request to be a negotiation by not letting Cornelia put that pos Ougi in his place.
Even if your army has an advantage over the other guy's, since you're both soldiers you allow them the courtesy of making demands. It's obvious by Cornelia's reaction that she wasn't negotiating with fellow soldiers, she was making demands to a bunch of terrorists who were in no place to make any sort of demands.
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Old 2008-09-12, 12:10   Link #9806
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For a second in command, whose position now lies with Xingke (in fact, with Zero's impeachment, he's probably the Order's leader), Ougi was incredibly inept.
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Old 2008-09-12, 12:12   Link #9807
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He was helping maintain OoTBk in season 1 and in season 2 ( though, he indeed wasn't very good in R2 after meeting with Viletta).
Lelouch wouldn't appoint him as "insert a very good rank" if he wouldn't do his job.

What you mean he is not tainted with blood? He was a terrorist. And he was with OoTBk, who were, you know, killing people.
He maintained the OoTBK by just being his retarded self and being useless because he used to be the cell leader and dumb people who were with him from the beginning would be upset if Ougi was given a position befitting of his abilities i.e janitor of the sub. All the REAL decisions were made by Lelouch anyways.
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Old 2008-09-12, 12:12   Link #9808
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Schneizel wanted to get his hands on Lelouch, that's the only reason he lowered himself and negotiated with Terrorists. But then he's too nice and allowed his request to be a negotiation by not letting Cornelia put that pos Ougi in his place.
Even if your army has an advantage over the other guy's, since you're both soldiers you allow them the courtesy of making demands. It's obvious by Cornelia's reaction that she wasn't negotiating with fellow soldiers, she was making demands to a bunch of terrorists who were in no place to make any sort of demands.
lol... wow... It is actually kinda hard to argue with that....

But remember though, Cornelia has been out of the loop for a while now since she was too busy hunting the Geass Cult and being a prisoner. The Black Knights are no longer terrorists on the international stage, so Schneizel needed to treat them like they weren't. Also remember that he sat down to negotiate terms again in 20 with the BK's, Kaguya, and Xing-Ke. Although I guess it would be fair to consider both Xing-Ke and Kaguya political figures of real counties and what not...
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:00   Link #9809
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who else thinks that kallen would end up leaving the OOBK next ep for good
so far she stayed with them after lelouch left and didnt try to follow him (since she didnt know where he was)
but now i think that while she wont be quiting to join him she will be quiting to do her own thing rather then stay with the group
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:02   Link #9810
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topic change
who else thinks that kallen would end up leaving the OOBK next ep for good
so far she stayed with them after lelouch left and didnt try to follow him (since she didnt know where he was)
but now i think that while she wont be quiting to join him she will be quiting to do her own thing rather then stay with the group
Her own thing and what would that be exactly?
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:04   Link #9811
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That would mean we'd be getting a Gino-Anya-Kallen faction? I'm kinda feeling ambivalent about that. Now that the chance for her to join Lelouch has passed, I'm expecting Kallen to stick with the OotBK for a while. It's not her style to leave her (former?) comrades alone to fend for themselves when there's a murderous Suzaku loose out there. She didn't sound like she was planning to leave anytime soon when she was talking with Xingke, either.
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:08   Link #9812
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shes not leaving them alone
shes going to go after lelouch to take him and suzaku down
but she's doing it becouse SHE wants to and not becouse its the goal of the OOBK
frankly i dont see her ending ep 23 with anything but a deceison to end lelouch once and for all
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:12   Link #9813
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Yah she doesn't have the what it takes to be merc working for moeny but she might be able to pull off her own faction.
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:16   Link #9814
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not for money
shes just not going to be part of the OOBK after she takes lelouch and suzaku down
gino and anya are betraying britannia by going after them
she would be doing the same by going after lelouch and suzaku with them
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:19   Link #9815
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not for money
shes just not going to be part of the OOBK after she takes lelouch and suzaku down
gino and anya are betraying britannia by going after them
she would be doing the same by going after lelouch and suzaku with them
Man... that team is actually pretty frightening when you think about it...
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:20   Link #9816
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Man... that team is actually pretty frightening when you think about it...
and its aimed at the heads of lelouch and suzaku
gino and anya would probably be trying to get suzaku to wake up but i cant see kallen as being anything other then gunning for lelouchs head
not despite but rather becouse she just found out she loves him
at least until she finds out about the plan
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They can't stop them though.

Lelouch is going to be 10 steps ahead of them every time as far as strategy and their plan goes, and Suzaku's at a point where results = all that matter, and is able to control his live geass to defeat all odds.
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:39   Link #9818
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They can't stop them though.

Lelouch is going to be 10 steps ahead of them every time as far as strategy and their plan goes, and Suzaku's at a point where results = all that matter, and is able to control his live geass to defeat all odds.
Lelouch can't be ten steps ahead of them if he is too busy concentrating on Schneizel who CAN match (and surpass) his wits. That may take all his effort right there. Which can give Kallen, Gino, and possibly Anya the time they need to act.
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:41   Link #9819
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shes not leaving them alone
shes going to go after lelouch to take him and suzaku down
but she's doing it becouse SHE wants to and not becouse its the goal of the OOBK
frankly i dont see her ending ep 23 with anything but a deceison to end lelouch once and for all
Maybe Kallen is acting strictly on orders from BK to finish their end of the bargain with Schneizel and Lulu's no being in the picture might have be a huge condition regarding the cease fire. Freia and that agreement can probably be used to strong arm the BK into attack Lulu. Though lulu recent actions is also enough reason to attack him

During her talk with Lulu she either:
A) Looking for a sign to Runaway with him
B) Try to dig information out of him
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:42   Link #9820
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They can't stop them though.

Lelouch is going to be 10 steps ahead of them every time as far as strategy and their plan goes, and Suzaku's at a point where results = all that matter, and is able to control his live geass to defeat all odds.
lelouch might have a plan
but its probable that the plan IS to lose

and besides he cant predict gino anya and kallen would group together against him
its possible that he doesnt even think kallen would fight him at all
the point of their "talk" could have been to waste time while the OOBK leaders wonder what taking so long
they may end up grounding kallen rather then risk her having been geassed to betray them
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