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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 23 Rating
Perfect 10 33 27.97%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 36 30.51%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 20 16.95%
7 out of 10 : Good 11 9.32%
6 out of 10 : Average 8 6.78%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 1.69%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 1.69%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 6 5.08%
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:57   Link #421
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It's rather hypocritical for me to say that though...because I woulnd't mind exterminating cockroaches if my house should have any. That's what it means to expand humanity and live in comfort. I never thought of how a cockroach would feel. To some extent, I think of polar bears, pandas, and whales that are going extinct because of humanity, but not all the time, when I go buy my groceries or Prada bags.

It's easier to see it from the PoV presented in the series, but it's application is much wider and harder to swallow.
The generic Vajra is a remote-controlled war machine, if we are to believe Leons words. Now, if those are really trustworthy is another matter...
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:57   Link #422
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It's rather hypocritical for me to say that though...because I woulnd't mind exterminating cockroaches if my house should have any. That's what it means to expand humanity and live in comfort. I never thought of how a cockroach would feel. To some extent, I think of polar bears, pandas, and whales that are going extinct because of humanity, but not all the time, when I go buy my groceries or Prada bags.
The best quote ever! I have to give you a cookie. You made my day you really did. XD

Leon did say there was a higher intelligence behind the Vajira. Maybe they're Humanoid Bug leaders we have yet to see.
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Old 2008-09-12, 14:01   Link #423
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sorry to let out an A-bomb lolz... anyways i remember The Pied Piper of Hamelin where he was able to lure the rats to river and have them drowned^^. Ranka might follow the same path (or she did already) well maybe she'll do it again in the final episode lure all the Vajra in one place drowned them in the river of DE's
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Old 2008-09-12, 14:33   Link #424
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I predict the current dislking for Ranka will turn into an uproar of hate ( ) if she does anything like The Pied Piper of Hamelin. It is more than a possibility that the Vajraa knows how to cure Sheryl.

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Well, I think Alto was rather "genre smart" this episode. I mean, right at the start he refuses to talk about girls with his team-mates due to the "Valkyrie jink"... and by declaring he's willing to kill Ranka, he's pretty much just guaranteed her survival
Hahaha...

I don't think there has ever been a precedent where I've disagreed with you in this forum. Hilarious, but true!
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Old 2008-09-12, 14:57   Link #425
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....at this point i'm really not hopeful that they will find a cure for Sheryl.... ^^. (i know she's not dead yet )^^..... but Kawamori might now be adjusting the characters for the final showdown... and i hope it will end with a big bang.... ^^ like how Alto will show Ranka his love "by going off with the intention to nuke her in the face." (wink.... wink) (・ω・`)
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Old 2008-09-12, 15:12   Link #426
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Ranka won't commit mass suicide.
Despite her outburst in the earlier episodes, she doesn't want anyone to die.
I'm really glad the old spoilers are fake. That would be even more of a douchebag than Lelouch and Suzaku from Code Geass combined

In fact, I don't think she is in control of herself right now. She is melded with the Vajra hivemind and if Grace is right, implanted nanomachines

it will take powerful song (as per Macross traditions) to make her snap out of it.
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Old 2008-09-12, 15:36   Link #427
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In fact, I don't think she is in control of herself right now. She is melded with the Vajra hivemind and if Grace is right, implanted nanomachines
hmmm... how did you come with that conclusion??? I think thats the same conclusion as Alto.... except for the nano machine thingie.

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it will take powerful song (as per Macross traditions) to make her snap out of it.
Then who do you think will sing??? Sheryl??? She's the only one left on my list.... Unless Minmei or Basara makes an appearance.
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Old 2008-09-12, 15:37   Link #428
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Ranka won't commit mass suicide.
Despite her outburst in the earlier episodes, she doesn't want anyone to die.
I'm really glad the old spoilers are fake. That would be even more of a douchebag than Lelouch and Suzaku from Code Geass combined

In fact, I don't think she is in control of herself right now. She is melded with the Vajra hivemind and if Grace is right, implanted nanomachines

it will take powerful song (as per Macross traditions) to make her snap out of it.
That's seriously bullshit if it's true.
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Old 2008-09-12, 15:49   Link #429
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whoa!.....

for a moment there i thought my deep subconscious spoke out loudly.....

phew^^....
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Old 2008-09-12, 15:57   Link #430
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hmmm... how did you come with that conclusion??? I think thats the same conclusion as Alto.... except for the nano machine thingie.
from what Grace said. She can feel Ranka merging with the hivemind, apparently. Which can only possibly mean that Grace has implanted nanomachines in Ranka too


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Then who do you think will sing??? Sheryl??? She's the only one left on my list.... Unless Minmei or Basara makes an appearance.
Sheryl is a possibility.

But they could pull an Ar Tonelico 2 (an RPG with some similarities to Macross F) and have the male main character sing
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Old 2008-09-12, 16:05   Link #431
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from what Grace said. She can feel Ranka merging with the hivemind, apparently. Which can only possibly mean that Grace has implanted nanomachines in Ranka too
i see. but still i don't think she is being controlled...

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But they could pull an Ar Tonelico 2 (an RPG with some similarities to Macross F) and have the male main character si
Alto... sing...??? Kabuki yes.... but singing? i don't know.
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whoa!.....

for a moment there i thought my deep subconscious spoke out loudly.....

phew^^....
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Old 2008-09-12, 16:10   Link #433
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I don't think she's controlled by Grace, either. But the scene strongly implies that she's connected to Grace via some kind of implant.

translation from the episode:

I have waited for this! This moment!

I can hear it! Little Queen!

Ranka's belly starts to glow

With this... we are...

image of a green light (ranka?) connecting thru what seems to be a network (vajra net?)

The window to new era has opened! (this might be another allusion to what True Begin means)

so unless it is proven otherwise I would say that Grace is connected to Vajra net by proxy of implants in Ranka which is melded with the hivemind
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Old 2008-09-12, 16:19   Link #434
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I can't wait until Grace starts Geassing people left and right.
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Old 2008-09-12, 16:20   Link #435
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I don't think she's controlled by Grace, either. But the scene strongly implies that she's connected to Grace via some kind of implant.

translation from the episode:

I have waited for this! This moment!

I can hear it! Little Queen!

Ranka's belly starts to glow

With this... we are...

image of a green light (ranka?) connecting thru what seems to be a network (vajra net?)

The window to new era has opened! (this might be another allusion to what True Begin means)
i see.... thanks ^^... Grace is as evil as ever. Ranka's belly has been bothering me for quite some time now.

Vajra.net ^^... are they implementing bandwidth/throttling caps there ^^....
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Old 2008-09-12, 16:25   Link #436
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Vajra.net ^^... are they implementing bandwidth/throttling caps there ^^....
Hardly, considering the type of communication method she seeks is instantaneous. Since there is no discernible lagging or echo effect, unlimited bandwidth for all. Grace is a visionary.
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Old 2008-09-12, 16:28   Link #437
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Hardly, considering the type of communication method she seeks is instantaneous. Since there is no discernible lagging or echo effect, unlimited bandwidth for all. Grace is a visionary.
It'll just be used for porn.
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Old 2008-09-12, 16:28   Link #438
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....good where do i sign up ^^.?

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Old 2008-09-12, 16:49   Link #439
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lols.... ^_^ ... i would never thought the shipping wars escalated above TT and kimikiss ^^. i never posted in those thread so i did'nt know ^^....
Kimikiss shipping wars was nothing compared to True Tears, probably because the result was so fucking obvious, lmao @ the rage posts and claims of Canvas 2 ending after the last episode. True Tears got heated a few times but Macross Frontier has gone several levels above that, but it did get a lot of in depth discussion, analysis and breakdowns from yours truly and several other Hiromi fans. Been a good year for triangle fans with Ef into True Tears into Macross Frontier... looks like nothing will take its place this upcoming season... lol @ Vampire Knight and no Skip Beat won't simply because it won't end and well watch the show (which should be fantastic!) and you'll see.
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Old 2008-09-12, 16:52   Link #440
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Kimikiss shipping wars was nothing compared to True Tears, probably because the result was so fucking obvious, lmao @ the rage posts and claims of Canvas 2 ending after the last episode. True Tears got heated a few times but Macross Frontier has gone several levels above that.
Might just be me, but I don't see many people actually shipping Ranka/Alto.
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