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Old 2008-07-26, 19:00   Link #281
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What can I say, the writers are surprisingly cleaver this time around. Its scary.

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Old 2008-07-27, 10:33   Link #282
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The story of Macross 7 clearly defines Basara as a plot device and as such it necessitates that we acknowledge his talent as a pilot well above his contemporaries. I have to include him because he is so obviously portrayed as an ace among aces. Having said that, in any other Macross-like combat scenario and without the benefit of Macross 7's absurd plot, It's my opinion Basara would rank near the end of the list and perhaps below even some of The Regulars
Exactly why I can't take people seriously when they list Basara as one of the best pilots, it was so obviously a plot device. Put him in the same Valk as Isamu or Ozma and he would get torn apart.

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Overall, it seems while the titles do make sense once you seen the whole episode, the synopsis were often focused on insignificant plot points and seems designed to mislead us viewer on the wrong tangent.

Additionally, it seems like whichever female lead is not mentioned in the synopsis usually still have a significant role in the episode.

So while reading advance synopsis is fun, I think in the case of Macross Frontier, the important part of the episode is probably the part they didn't mention in the synopsis.
Yep which is why I'm looking forward to episode 20 since while the synopsis mentions one girl the title clearly is for the other

And I think epiosde 17 will keep this trend going, all signs are pointing at Ozma but I wouldn't be surprised if some of Brera's memories surface and he remembers how he parted with Ranka during the Varja attack. Which is the real reason behind the title of Goodbye Sister.
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Old 2008-07-27, 10:37   Link #283
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I wouldn't be surprised if some of Brera's memories surface and he remembers how he parted with Ranka during the Varja attack. Which is the real reason behind the title of Goodbye Sister.
Hmm, that may be the best speculation I have heard about episode 17 title to date. Ozma eating the pineapple salad is just too cliche for this production staff noted for its cleverness.
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Old 2008-07-27, 12:36   Link #284
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Exactly why I can't take people seriously when they list Basara as one of the best pilots, it was so obviously a plot device. Put him in the same Valk as Isamu or Ozma and he would get torn apart.
Well, it's just my opinion. It can be taken as seriously as you wish, or not all. I had to include Basara out of necessity. Whether I like it or not, Basara is one of the supposed aces of Macross even if I think his stature is all forced by virtue of the story. YMMV.
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Old 2008-07-31, 17:44   Link #285
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It was explicitly stated by Gamlin that Basara could take G's easily that he'd have trouble with. Plot armor or not, custom VF-19 or not, Basara is an extremely talented pilot.
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Old 2008-08-01, 09:06   Link #286
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Also in the context of the Macross Universe it's truth regardless of what people might think.

Honestly Basara and piloting go hand in hand with Singing as a way to end conflict.

There's plenty of skeptics of the "minmay" and "basara" attacks within their own universe. Without seeing it first hand it's really hard to make that logic jump even for characters in the series.

What is boils down to is even in our real life history we can't cherry pick what we consider true and what's fake based on our own preference. Not accepting Basara was an ace quality pilot would be like saying the Minmay attacked was just military propaganda or that the Sharon Apple incident never happened.
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Old 2008-08-02, 07:17   Link #287
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SMS is apparently a armed Fed Express when Bilrer started it. Sort of like GXP or Angel Links with pay.

With pirates and black market arms dealers in Macross Dynamite 7 I can see why this industry is needed.

I can see how Bilrer and Galaxy were involved with the 117th fleet.

Galaxy must have been the sponsor of the SDF Global.

While SMS was it's hired escort.

UN Spacy is more prioritized with rogue Zentradi and whatever Bodol fleet that may show up.

Indeed with fleet abandonment issues like Macross 7, SMS became a private anti-piracy security group.

Guess you can classify white hats as either of the three.

UN Spacy or NUNS formal military, Galaxy Patrol or UN Spacy local cops, PMCs or security groups like SMS.
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Old 2008-08-18, 09:07   Link #288
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This picture demonstrates an element that I've thought about since Sheryl arrived on Frontier. Where is the paparazzi? They exist in Japan too. Tabloids and Gossip would follow those two around constantly. I would have loved to see that element in the anime.
This was an interesting point that was posted over in the image thread.

M7 had paparazzi and tabloid extensively in the show and even had some eps to explore the rumors the news rags threw out.

The one thing I could see is Frontier having extensive privacy laws to coincide with their anti implant stance. Lets face it, if anyone could have enhanced vision or hearing privacy would go right out the door.

At the same time though we have seen crowds of the camera men swarm Sheryl and Ranka from time to time. Sure maybe Alto, Ranka, and Sheryl don't read them but come on, you KNOW the bridge bunnies would :3
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Old 2008-09-14, 11:05   Link #289
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Though it may be late but for me the final nail has been put that Glass is not the President of the entire NUN just Frontier.

Leon having the title of fifth President of Frontier.

Now this conincides with Millia's faux campaign in Millia the President that she is the president of the Macross 7 fleet.

But unlike Frontier that seems to be under the authority of the presidential office.

Millia shares leadership with the military.

Basically Millia is charge of civilian affairs while Max is in charge of military affairs.

Glass was both military and civilian leader of Macross Frontier.

We can only guess that Macross Galaxy also has a different set up as it is a corporate venture. Though we are not so sure anymore as Macross Galaxy has gone rogue.
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Old 2008-09-14, 12:23   Link #290
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I think that pretty much every single Macross fleet can be substantially different from the other ones given their nature. After all, we've also seen Macross 5 as an all-Zentradi fleet, and it's easy to imagine a fleet under direct military control. I'd say that it's better to think of the colony fleets as semi-independent nations, each with a similar goal, but possibly exercising very different political and social structures.
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Old 2008-09-14, 13:08   Link #291
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Though it may be late but for me the final nail has been put that Glass is not the President of the entire NUN just Frontier.

Leon having the title of fifth President of Frontier.

Now this conincides with Millia's faux campaign in Millia the President that she is the president of the Macross 7 fleet.

But unlike Frontier that seems to be under the authority of the presidential office.

Millia shares leadership with the military.

Basically Millia is charge of civilian affairs while Max is in charge of military affairs.

Glass was both military and civilian leader of Macross Frontier.

We can only guess that Macross Galaxy also has a different set up as it is a corporate venture. Though we are not so sure anymore as Macross Galaxy has gone rogue.
Well, that could be part of the changes made in the NUNS, to reform it from the previous (Lynn Kaifun: fascist!) UN Spacy military junta based on Earth.
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Old 2008-09-14, 21:26   Link #292
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What killed it for me was how "president Leon" decided against giving up their journey for a wild ass gamble on taking the Vajra home world. The only person left in the fleet that could really challenge Leon's authority is probably the captain of the Battle Frontier.

That brings up the question... why aren't there more civilian ships with fold capabilities on frontier? I mean there's got to be some luxury fold craft that can get people from fleet to fleet. If I was a rich person, I'd definitely want out of the Frontier fleet.
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Old 2008-09-14, 22:27   Link #293
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They seem to have a Congress, with a House of Representatives mentioned. They should have the authority to remove Leon if it's deemed necessary. If they don't, there's real no point to them at all.
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Old 2008-09-14, 23:06   Link #294
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What killed it for me was how "president Leon" decided against giving up their journey for a wild ass gamble on taking the Vajra home world. The only person left in the fleet that could really challenge Leon's authority is probably the captain of the Battle Frontier.

That brings up the question... why aren't there more civilian ships with fold capabilities on frontier? I mean there's got to be some luxury fold craft that can get people from fleet to fleet. If I was a rich person, I'd definitely want out of the Frontier fleet.
Leon it seems has a streak of dangerous military adventurism. Remember what one of his goons said to Grace as a message.

There can only be one ruler of the galaxy.

Sounds to me he plans to pull a Varauta like war machine with Frontier once they touch down on the planet.

Do what Wilbur Garland could not do. Control the entire NUN.

Leon doesn't like the run away as far as you can strategy made by their founding father Bruno Global.

Forgetting that one Bodol main fleet has almost 5 million ships and there are 2000+ of them. Also the Supervision Army.

Does he really think fold quartz and Dimension Eaters would make a difference?

As for the question why the other islands just say I quit and leaving perhaps the islands do not have fold engines, only island 1.

Frontier is a novelty and luxury fleet compared to Macross 7, Macross 5 and Macross 1.

They don't like the space highway concept of Milky Road.
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Old 2008-09-15, 03:13   Link #295
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So why do the Vajra have a homeworld that doesn't seem particularly suited to them? Or rather, the things seem to be able to live anywhere. Why a planet more suited for a regular lifeform?
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Old 2008-10-22, 03:18   Link #296
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With events of Macross Frontier very nearly leading to galactic conquest what would be the reaction of the Human-Zentradi-Zolan society to it?

Would cyborgs be persecuted?

What measures would be done to prevent fleets from going rogue?

How would the Vajra and Fold Quartz affect the galactic economy?
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Old 2008-10-22, 14:59   Link #297
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well from what we knew about Frontier is was only of the few fleets that didn't allow cybernetics. So cyborgs being persecuted is unlikely if they're the majority. Don't forget a lot of older Zentradi war vets have implants as well (Mr. Bilier for example)

I figure the Vajra crystals will end up like the space whale meat in reactors. IE illegal but that won't keep some black markets opening up. Well that and provoking a Vajra hive is probably the fastest way to wipe out a system.

Fleets going rogue? Well i don't think they can really do anything about that. The tighter the yoke the more people will resist.
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Old 2008-10-22, 18:52   Link #298
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I doubt much will change - cyborgs weren't the issue so much as the fact that a conspiracy got a control of a New Macross-class carrier and apparently abandoned its island-ship and the rest of its fleet to the mercies of the Vajra, with the exception of the Dulfim which was apparently 'in' on the conspiracy. We don't know if the crew of the Dulfim were co-opted NUNS or if they were private mercenaries. With the Vajra crystals... well, if someone wants to get their ass kicked now that the Vajra know we're all individuals, by all means let them... although I suspect it'll be made illegal anyhow, with regards to fold reactors using Vajra crystals.

As for rogue fleets? Not much to be done except to keep vetting the people who get them to make sure they're not likely to go rogue, and keep a strong NUNS force available to handle rogues who attack the UN Spacy and allied groups. Given how long ago Macross Galaxy was commissioned, it looks like the people who got a hold of it may have been affiliated or allied with Wilbur Garland's gang of rogues since it launched around the time or just before the Battle 13 got hijacked.
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Old 2008-10-22, 22:43   Link #299
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We have to differentiate between cybenetic implants and prosthetics. Replacement arms and legs for injuries would be alright, I believe, but what the line is drawn at is full body cyborgs like Grace.

As for fold quartz, it depends. If there's a way for the Vajra to drop off fold quartz without being dissected, and more two-way communication is possible, we could well have a cooperative soceity springing up. As for poaching... well, anyone who wants to try poach Vajra is welcome to try, and of course to get their asses kicked.

As for the rest of the Galaxy fleet left to the mercies of the Vajra, I'm not too sure of that. We see a number of Deneb-class cruisers around where the Queen is in episode 25, as Alto makes his canyon run (at my count there were at least 5).

Something to consider: we all agree that the VF-171 is a nerfed fighter (apparently official sources also say that it's not quite up to the standards of the old VF-17). Could the switch to the VF-171 from the VF-19 perhaps be the NUNS way of having a trump card? When your rogue fleet's grunts are using VF-19s, it's a lot more difficult to fight them off, compared to if they're just using VF-171s...

...leaving aside the reason that if Kawamori turned the VF-19 into a grunt cannon fodder mecha the nerd rage would be greater than the NanoFate Legion...
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Old 2008-10-23, 07:21   Link #300
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Come to think of it, since Grace has proven the feasibility of the galactic real-time network. Some evil schemer would be inspired to try again. I think this would involve using the descendants of Sheryl and Ranka or maybe the schemer would be one descendant turned bad.
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