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Old 2008-10-16, 01:51   Link #1921
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When the hell did Villeta become a goverment building?
What about her? She was a KMF pilot, and therefore a soldier.
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Old 2008-10-16, 01:53   Link #1922
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So let me get this straight. You expect Lelouch to be able to control every single Japanese person everywhere, somehow keep an entire country full of angry Japanese from retaliating against their oppressors, and have a perfect zero casualty rate? Stop trying to make fault where none exists. Lelouch isn't omnipotent. He made the best of a bad situation.
That's your idea of the best? Instead of trying to find reason you turn hate into a weapon?

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What about her? She was a KMF pilot, and therefore a soldier.
They didn't know that, they where randomly attacking any Britannians they could find.
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Old 2008-10-16, 01:58   Link #1923
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That's your idea of the best? Instead of trying to find reason you turn hate into a weapon?
This is getting stupid. Get some perspective. The Britannians were shown massacring Japanese people in the SAZ on live television. Knightmares with automatic weapons killing unarmed civilians. Lelouch hadn't so much as said a word about it. What do you think people would have done if he had said absolutely nothing? "Oh, who cares if they slaughtered our people as long as we weren't there." You're not even thinking about this rationally. you just want to shove every single bad thing on Lelouch. Granted, he did start it with the command, but the ramifications could not be avoided, only lessened, and that's what Lelouch did.
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Old 2008-10-16, 02:00   Link #1924
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This is getting stupid. Get some perspective. The Britannians were shown massacring Japanese people in the SAZ on live television. Knightmares with automatic weapons killing unarmed civilians. Lelouch hadn't so much as said a word about it. What do you think people would have done if he had said absolutely nothing? "Oh, who cares if they slaughtered our people as long as we weren't there." You're not even thinking about this rationally. you just want to shove every single bad thing on Lelouch. Granted, he did start it with the command, but the ramifications could not be avoided, only lessened, and that's what Lelouch did.

He could have placed the blame on a more solid target than "Britannia", if Lelouch did lessen it, than he lessened it barely.
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Old 2008-10-16, 02:05   Link #1925
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He could have placed the blame on a more solid target than "Britannia", if Lelouch did lessen it, than he lessened it barely.
Britannian Knightmares were shown killing Japanese civilians. Furthermore, it's highly unlikely they managed to kill every single civilian, so people would know that Euphy ordered the massacre. Who is he possibly supposed to blame? Give a solid explanation as to how anyone but Britannia could possibly be held responsible for this massacre.
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Old 2008-10-16, 02:24   Link #1926
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Britannian Knightmares were shown killing Japanese civilians. Furthermore, it's highly unlikely they managed to kill every single civilian, so people would know that Euphy ordered the massacre. Who is he possibly supposed to blame? Give a solid explanation as to how anyone but Britannia could possibly be held responsible for this massacre.
Britannian Royal Family?

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Bloodshed begets bloodshed. Hatred begets hatred. The rage and emotion sinks into the land and stains it with the crest of blood. No matter how many times they repeat themselves, they never learn. These sad fools...
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Old 2008-10-16, 02:29   Link #1927
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Britannian Royal Family?
Who control the Britannian military, enslaved Japan, and are directly responsible for the massacre. Are you even reading what you type? This is what it sounds like. "No, don't fight the Britannians. Just hate the royal family. All these people that murder in their name, they're cool." There's no logic behind your posts.
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Old 2008-10-16, 02:53   Link #1928
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Who control the Britannian military, enslaved Japan, and are directly responsible for the massacre. Are you even reading what you type? This is what it sounds like. "No, don't fight the Britannians. Just hate the royal family. All these people that murder in their name, they're cool." There's no logic behind your posts.
So the Britannian civilians murder in their name? Lelouch could have made it clear to hate the Britannian rulers, and military, instead Lelouch blamed the Britannian people.
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Old 2008-10-16, 03:01   Link #1929
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So the Britannian civilians murder in their name? Lelouch could have made it clear to hate the Britannian rulers, and military, instead Lelouch blamed the Britannian people.
Lelouch blamed Britannia, not its people. You're making more of his speech than is there. Listen carefully, because I'm getting tired of repeating myself to correct your horribly skewed viewpoint. Lelouch cannot be expected to control every single random civilian who has an axe to grind with Britannia. There were going to be riots, murder, etc. It. Was. Unavoidable. The Britannians had massacred a stadium full of innocent people, and people do not think rationally when confronted with such an atrocity. Lelouch made it so the majority would focus their rage on an appropriate target.
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Old 2008-10-16, 03:03   Link #1930
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Lelouch blamed Britannia, not its people. You're making more of his speech than is there. Listen carefully, because I'm getting tired of repeating myself to correct your horribly skewed viewpoint. Lelouch cannot be expected to control every single random civilian who has an axe to grind with Britannia. There were going to be riots, murder, etc. It. Was. Unavoidable. The Britannians had massacred a stadium full of innocent people, and people do not think rationally when confronted with such an atrocity. Lelouch made it so the majority would focus their rage on an appropriate target.
He didn't do a very good job of it, if that was his plan, it looks like he just made a riot worse.
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Old 2008-10-16, 03:07   Link #1931
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He didn't do a very good job of it, if that was his plan, it looks like he just made a riot worse.
Them attacking Villetta made the riot worse? You're grasping at straws. Uprisings are what started taking place after Lelouch's speech.
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Old 2008-10-16, 03:10   Link #1932
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Them attacking Villetta made the riot worse? You're grasping at straws. Uprisings are what started taking place after Lelouch's speech.
What are you talking about?

I believe that a more peaceful solution could have been made, that didn't make the hatred between Japanese and Britannians worse.

I am done arguing because this is getting nowhere I will believe what I believe, you believe what you believe.
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Old 2008-10-16, 03:13   Link #1933
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What are you talking about?

I believe that a more peaceful solution could have been made, that didn't make the hatred between Japanese and Britannians worse.

I am done arguing because this is getting nowhere I will believe what I believe, you believe what you believe.
Then explain your peaceful solution. All you're doing now is condemning Lelouch for making the best of a bad situation and offering nothing better.
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Old 2008-10-16, 05:50   Link #1934
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I've been pondering about Euphemia's death.

Consider Mao, who's been filled with holes and left for dead. No one expected him to live after that. So how the heck was he able to walk again? He says "Britannia's medical technology is amazing", etc.

Now in Euphy's case, she just took one bullet. Yet she died. :/

I suppose it was a matter of being hit in a vital organ. But looking back Mao's firing squad scene, what were the chances of not being hit in a vital organ when there's about a dozen police officers shooting you with machine guns?
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Old 2008-10-16, 06:26   Link #1935
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Its only a matter of whether the plot requires who to live or die, we can't bring up facts and science to prove/disprove or understand why in these cases.
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Old 2008-10-16, 07:01   Link #1936
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I can definitely agree with your general statement. but I'm interested in knowing what others think about it.
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Old 2008-10-16, 09:59   Link #1937
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Wow! Thank you so much for the translation. I'm not able to +rep you now. Shall do that when I'm able to.

As expected from the title of a Taste of Dirt, Lelouch had 'a taste of it'. Referring to Suzaku stepping on his head scene . He is really doing well despite being the former prince of Britannia. This is really a fun section to tease Lelouch . What?! they called him an obasan. How cute Rolo-rag has to be one of his most classic quote to render them the release of a rag with the first press of the DVD vol. 2.

Well, Suzaku's cat is indeed loyal but making a grave for him is too much. We never know since this is Code Geass . Who knows, Arthur could be a human whose Geass allows him to transfer soul to a cat (Darker than Black reference ).

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Old 2008-10-16, 13:17   Link #1938
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I've been pondering about Euphemia's death.

Consider Mao, who's been filled with holes and left for dead. No one expected him to live after that. So how the heck was he able to walk again? He says "Britannia's medical technology is amazing", etc.

Now in Euphy's case, she just took one bullet. Yet she died. :/

I suppose it was a matter of being hit in a vital organ. But looking back Mao's firing squad scene, what were the chances of not being hit in a vital organ when there's about a dozen police officers shooting you with machine guns?
Euphemia was clearly a massive pussy for dying from only one gunshot wound.
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Old 2008-10-16, 13:20   Link #1939
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Euphemia was clearly a massive pussy for dying from only one gunshot wound.
It's not about how many times you get shot. It's all about whether your life or death will have a more profound effect on the plot. (If only real life were such.)
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Old 2008-10-16, 14:44   Link #1940
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It's not about how many times you get shot. It's all about whether your life or death will have a more profound effect on the plot. (If only real life were such.)
It is how many times you are shot for important characters at least

Mao - Multiple Gunshot wounds survives
Mao - shot once dies
Cornelia - Multiple gun shot wounds that miss the femoral Artery survives
Genbu - shot once dies
Euphemia - shot once dies
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