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Old 2008-09-13, 19:09   Link #181
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I'll comment on this more later, but for now I wanted to point out how the contest handles such issues according to the rules:

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Every month, a new entry thread is created. Each month's entry thread is a central spot meant to give contestants a chance to create and improve their entries as well as their skills, in addition to providing them a place to post their official submissions.

The thread is solely about helping contestants with entries, and as such these things will not be tolerated:

1. Nonconstructive and negative criticism (if you truly dislike something about an entry, be polite and helpful)

2. Comments, questions, or complaints about General SOTM affairs

3. Flaming, trolling, and other uncivil behavior that breaks Forum Rules

Anyone disrupting the thread will be asked to take it privately, to the SOTM Generic Discussion Thread, or if the offense is severe enough - reported to the moderators.
Bold is mine. For now, the matter is resolved....but I'll make a statement about this particular issue in a bit.
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Old 2008-09-14, 01:57   Link #182
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To what extent would such a situation have to escalate before someone is forced to kick like person from the competition?
Since I don't have any idea on what was actually said, I can't remove the person from the contest. But suffice to say, for future reference it would have to be something completely uncalled for - a comment that did nothing but insult another member.

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Personally, I would say when the person being criticized by the elitist is actually offended by what the person is saying and contacts an admin or something. Every person is different as I, for one, have developed a tough shell on the internetz, especially in the tagging community.

You just have to learn to ignore some of it and look at the criticism that benefits your improvement.
Yeah, we're the weird community. I figured my first post about that in the entry thread should have made the point clear...guess not.

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Other then that, just tag the offending post as rude comment and let the mods deals with it.
Right. Go through the proper channels. Contact myself and the moderators, don't get stuck in the middle of a flame fest. This goes for anyone who thinks there's a problem.

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I think kicking them off would not help either, adding on to what KiNA said, because that just defeats the purpose of our rule of letting everybody join in the SOTM.
The person in question will not be removed, for the moment. But if the person is a persistent trouble maker they will be prevented from participating, yes.

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I was a bit sorry to see those posts in the submit thread. I've liked the fact that people here have so far been quite capable of giving constructive criticism. Not that I'm afraid that it isn't going to go on as so.

It's a bit sad when someones forget that constructive criticism is called constructive criticism because it's supposed to be constructive. (did I say constructive many times enough?) Because if the criticism isn't constructive it's just bashing and that helps absolutely no one. I've enjoyed my stay here because of the lack of raving loons so I was actually considering popping the cherry of my ignore list.

Play nice kids, pretty please.
Constructively creating competent criticism can curtail creative crashes. Say that five times fast! (and yes, good points all around)



Now, for the rest of the post.




/gets on podium

It's the nature of competition to bring out the best and worst in people. While I do try to make the contest as open, friendly, and fair as possible it is inevitable that some will find issue with how things are done.

Something I want all potential competitors to know, is that this community is not like other art communities. We don't flame people. We don't call them noobs, or tell them they should reconsider their efforts because the creation is terrible, etc.

What we do is say nothing if we can't say something nice. Now, constructive criticism doesn't have to be all sunshine and flowers. Sometimes being "mean" or "insensitive" to an artist is important to the criticism.

But choose your words carefully. If you have to point out something negative, point out something positive as well. If you have to point out how they need this added touch here, compliment them on their choice of something else they've done. If the whole work is a mess from your perspective, offer technical advice. Mention that you think the style is interesting (a good word to use when you don't want to sound enthused), but that (insert technical things here) might help the piece out because (insert reason here).

Remember to show courtesy and respect. It sounds silly, especially on the internet where everyone can be a moron and generally get away with it, but if you want people to treat you well, you must do the same for them. People are more receptive to kindness - even if it's hollow but well intentioned as it generally is when people are anonymous.

I say these things, not because I wish to single people out. I say them because I want people to be here, to stay here, to be happy with the things they do and to share those things with the rest of us. That's the real point of a community.

This community is full of artists of many kinds, from all walks of life and experiences. If you take a bit to appreciate the variety of art we do here, you might come away with more than one might expect.

Remember the two most important rules in life:

1. Keep plugging away at it. Even insurmountable challenges and epic failures can provide great lessons and benefits.

2. Stay humble. No matter how good you are, there's always someone better.

Enjoy the community and the SOTM. But remember your roots. Everyone was a noobie at some point.

Thank you.


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Old 2008-09-14, 02:33   Link #183
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Old 2008-09-20, 11:05   Link #184
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I suggest we enforced a bit strictly for dateline submission on the next SotM.. Even if you didnt have the time to create the voting thread yet, send a pm to NW to close the thread first or just post a little short notice that entry phase over and we will not accept entries past that post.

While this contest are unofficial, I prefer that we at least prepare them for dateline crunch.. I dont know how schools/college are in other part of the world, but mine are quite strict and I sort of get use in beating dateline because failure to adhere to it are most of the time, severe. And the habit are actually very beneficial in working environment
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Old 2008-09-20, 17:33   Link #185
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I suggest we enforced a bit strictly for dateline submission on the next SotM.. Even if you didnt have the time to create the voting thread yet, send a pm to NW to close the thread first or just post a little short notice that entry phase over and we will not accept entries past that post.
It wasn't a matter of time. I purposely set the dates to allow for last minute submissions due to time zone differences. I believe this is the first month I've ever extended the date to right before the Voting thread is up.

I have told contestants no, in previous contests.

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While this contest are unofficial, I prefer that we at least prepare them for dateline crunch.. I dont know how schools/college are in other part of the world, but mine are quite strict and I sort of get use in beating dateline because failure to adhere to it are most of the time, severe. And the habit are actually very beneficial in working environment
I understand what you mean. Exceptions like this month are rare, specifically so people don't get used to the idea that "I can be as late as I want because Solace will let me in anyway".
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Old 2008-10-17, 23:17   Link #186
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~SOTM DECEMBER EVENT DISCUSSION~


**cracks fingers** lets do this.

It's hard to believe it, but the SOTM has been running for almost a year now. So, I think it's time to celebrate the end of the year with a little bit of a bang. So, here's some ideas I'm working on:

1. The SOTM will be suspended for the month of December while this celebration occurs.

2. The winner of the November contest will be able to choose the theme for the January contest.

3. I want this to be big.

4. A different set of rules will apply to this celebration.

5. The theme for the celebration will be decided by the community.

I've heard some suggestions for a banner contest. I'd like to explore this idea further. Keep in mind however that any banner contest that we'd wish to have displayed at the top of the forums would need to be approved by the moderators. If there's a consensus that we would want to have such a contest we would have to appeal to them.

We could also run an independent banner contest - something like the top 10 entries would be rotated in the SOTM monthly threads for the next year.

I'm sure there are other ideas of what we could do, so please add your thoughts and suggestions! The reason I'm starting this now is so that we have time to iron out any plans before December actually arrives.
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Old 2008-10-17, 23:28   Link #187
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  1. Talk to the mods and replace it with banner contest.
  2. No problem whatsoever with this
  3. Very vague to be honest.. How big? We invade GD for more exposure?
  4. Lets use banner contest rule.. 3 entries per contestant @.@
  5. If (1) accepted then its the mod's decision for theme?
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Old 2008-10-17, 23:48   Link #188
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  1. Talk to the mods and replace it with banner contest.
  2. No problem whatsoever with this
  3. Very vague to be honest.. How big? We invade GD for more exposure?
  4. Lets use banner contest rule.. 3 entries per contestant @.@
  5. If (1) accepted then its the mod's decision for theme?
1. I won't propose anything to the mods until things are more concrete. They'll want specifics.

2. Seems fair

3. Nah, not invading. I don't want it to be disruptive, just open to more people than the usual FC traffic. Builds awareness for the SOTM, and things are more fun when more people are involved. ^^

4. If we go with the banner contest idea we'll just rip the rules from previous banner contests.

5. Most likely it will be a proposal of ideas that will be narrowed down with the moderators saying "this works, this doesn't".
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Old 2008-10-18, 00:05   Link #189
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Which is why the (1) would be important to sort out first.. Banner contest is one idea, no idea on what else to do . We could also think big and do a graphic theme for the forum, but that requires more then just graphic knowledge. Of course we need the majority consensus first.

And the invade GD section is a tongue in cheek suggestion. Of course we just make one thread in GD and ask for a sticky status for the whole duration of it
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Old 2008-10-18, 03:14   Link #190
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1. I won't propose anything to the mods until things are more concrete. They'll want specifics.
Well, you could always ask them if the door is open for a new competition.

Beyond that, is the matter of the prize (not needed IMHO), the theme (anything that could work for a long period of time) and the rules, wich would end up being the same ones from before as you just mentioned.

A little thread to see how interested people actually is could help too. (although, this one could help just as well. )
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Old 2008-10-18, 04:03   Link #191
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Well, you could always ask them if the door is open for a new competition.
Well, yeah. I'm not saying that asking them is out of the question, just that since we have no real plan for *what* we want to do, it's kind of pointless for now to move in any direction until we've ironed out what we'd like to do, and then propose that. At least an outline, I figure. I think they'd be more apt to consider a proposal if there was an idea and a show of interest behind it.

That said, the banner contest idea isn't a bad one, but it does come with problems. Banner contests tend to have high turn outs, which is good, but they also run longer because of the high turn out. For instance, our Sky contest that was run last year went on for almost two months and had three separate threads. Anything that involves changing the forum would require moderator/admin involvement and approval as well. And the theme would be held to stricter standards - it would have to be something that would have lasting appeal for months, unless banner contests became more regular (which they tend not to be because of the effort involved in organizing them).

On the other hand, there are some other ideas would could explore. Here's a few I've been entertaining in addition to the one we're discussing:

1. The SOTM banner. Not as glorious as being at the top of the forums, but each month could feature a different winner from December.

2. A "no limits" SOTM. Relax the limits on the size and dimensions of the entries but with the condition that the entries could not be used as forum signatures.

3. A "no theme" SOTM. Basically let people make whatever signature they want. This could be rolled into the "no limits" SOTM though, I suppose.

4. A dual theme SOTM. Basically, create two themes and have sign ups to create two teams, one for each theme. Have two voting phases. The first voting phase, people pick the best entry from each team. The second voting phase, pit the entries against each other.

I'd really like to hear ideas though. I don't care how silly they are, we can fine tune them as we go. They can't be any worse than my crappy suggestions.
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Old 2008-10-19, 21:00   Link #192
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The banner contest sounds cool but it seems like it would be a bit of a hassle to get going. I like some of the other ideas though.
I think no limits/no theme would be kind of fun because

1. It forces people to use their imagination
2. You can see what people will come up with without a theme to base it on.
3. You don't have to worry about all the technical stuff.

Also The dual theme sounds cool. Kind of like Battle of the Sigs. Lol. How are we going to decide the two themes though? With the winners from the previous month and then the winner from December picks January?
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Old 2008-10-20, 00:32   Link #193
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The banners idea sound interesting, if we remove the rule of "Under AS limits" It would be more competitive, and with the "FREE THEME" Even more

Just a question:

In the SOTM the wiiner chooses the next theme, the winner of this special contest will do what?
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Old 2008-10-20, 00:46   Link #194
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How about a wallpaper competition? Make it, use it and share it...

So far it has always been a small format competition... this once in a blue moon opportunity why not do something out of the norm. Not saying the wallpaper idea is the best idea, it's just a suggestion.

Although the banner idea would give more publicity to the designers, if that's what your goals are.
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Old 2008-10-20, 00:58   Link #195
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The banners idea sound interesting, if we remove the rule of "Under AS limits" It would be more competitive, and with the "FREE THEME" Even more
If the banner competition is held in a similar fashion as previous editions, then the limits and the theme must be decided beforehand.

The limits are different from the ones in sigs and there are even more restrictions such as proper blending and a fixed gradient to use as your background. Of course, those rules only apply if the competition where to be held as the ones before it.
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Old 2008-10-20, 02:52   Link #196
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The banner contest sounds cool but it seems like it would be a bit of a hassle to get going.
If it was decided we'd go with a banner contest, it wouldn't be hard to set up. We already have a framework in place from previous banner contests.

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Also The dual theme sounds cool. Kind of like Battle of the Sigs. Lol. How are we going to decide the two themes though? With the winners from the previous month and then the winner from December picks January?
The winner of November picks the theme for January. The theme for the December contest would be a community polling. Battle of the Sigs does sound cool though. Perhaps a bit too much work this close to the end of the year, but we'll see.

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In the SOTM the winner chooses the next theme, the winner of this special contest will do what?
That's something we'll have to work out. Haven't ironed that out yet, which is why I'm starting this discussion a month before we start the contest.

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Not saying the wallpaper idea is the best idea, it's just a suggestion.
It's not a bad idea either. In fact I hadn't thought of that. I'll toss it into the list.

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If the banner competition is held in a similar fashion as previous editions, then the limits and the theme must be decided beforehand.

The limits are different from the ones in sigs and there are even more restrictions such as proper blending and a fixed gradient to use as your background. Of course, those rules only apply if the competition where to be held as the ones before it.
If we were to do a full scale banner comp the rules would be pretty much the same as previous comps. Since there's already a nice established framework I don't think it would be prudent to go messing with the formula.
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Old 2008-10-22, 06:31   Link #197
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Oh, no December theme ><? If there was one, there would've really good themes for that month, like Christmas or snowmans <-- just throwing an example. But whats the point of having Signature of the year without the best month of the year in it (of course :P, its obvious why I said that ).

But whatever, it is your decision, and I can't stop it ><. And the banner contest sounds pretty cool, especially if there isn't a limit in it. That would make me happy and a whole lot of people.
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Old 2008-10-23, 22:08   Link #198
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@Solace: How about puting all the sigs who win the SOTM to votation to choose the sig of the year?
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Old 2008-10-23, 23:24   Link #199
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Old 2008-10-24, 00:09   Link #200
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As a reply to Evil Rick's post, I'll make note of what mimi_girl pointed out: what is the point of a 'sig of the year' competition if we're missing december (also january to get technical). If we did decide to do a sig of the year, it feels like it would be better to do that in january along with the january sig of the month. Part of why I say this is because although I think a sig of the year would be really cool, it axes out the excitement of creation and entry. The reason why I enjoy the normal monthly competitions so much is because of all the build up to them, and by taking out the initial stage I think I'd feel less motivated for the overall outcome.
I'm still hoping for a banner competition since I've been wanting to participate in one ever since I first came to AnimeSuki and first got into graphic designing. I can wait until the next time there is another official banner competition, but I'm just wishing and hoping for an earlier one
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