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Old 2008-11-07, 11:25   Link #2181
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ok thats weird and a little confusing story but where mordred come in makes sense.
Well, Merlin is known as a bad prankster. :P
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Old 2008-11-10, 13:49   Link #2182
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Hi,

I have a query about Fate/hollow ataraxia actually.

Why does Archer appears in it? Didn't his contract break with Rin already
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Old 2008-11-10, 17:39   Link #2183
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It's a closed world that has every type of possibility open for the characters. That is why Rider is there, saber is there, Caster is there, all the Servants except True Assassin are there. And because Kotomine is fated to die, he isn't there. The world loops the same 4 days until a special event happens.
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Old 2008-11-10, 18:44   Link #2184
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It's fair enough to say Kotomine is fated to die, but.. There's no route in which Caster survives. Yet she appears anyway.
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Old 2008-11-10, 21:56   Link #2185
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Well fated to die moreso meaning his black heart was expiring anyway, no matter what happened, rather than what happened to him in each route.
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Old 2008-11-11, 04:29   Link #2186
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It's fair enough to say Kotomine is fated to die, but.. There's no route in which Caster survives. Yet she appears anyway.
Caster is a servant, Kotomine is not.
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Old 2008-11-16, 13:12   Link #2187
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Playing halfway into fate/hollow ataraxia, I'm beginning to understand a little bit.

They used an amalgation of all the different routes to develop this untrue but official sequel.
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Old 2008-11-19, 00:06   Link #2188
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Here's a question. How much information is given out concerning Arthurian Legends in Hollow Ataraxia and Zero? Anything about the events that would date back from Saber's own time. I am looking for some kind of portrait given about "King Arthur" from Type/Moon's work.
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Old 2008-11-19, 08:59   Link #2189
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Old 2008-11-20, 01:12   Link #2190
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Excellent. appreciate the help, please keep me posted if there is ever anything. I know the Wiki article gives out much more than I remember in Stay Night but I'm figuring they just took parts of common Arthurian legends.
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Old 2008-11-20, 09:09   Link #2191
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Excellent. appreciate the help, please keep me posted if there is ever anything. I know the Wiki article gives out much more than I remember in Stay Night but I'm figuring they just took parts of common Arthurian legends.
Just be sure to check the image thread.

I'll be posting frequently for fate/hollow ataraxia as I go through the game.
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Old 2008-11-23, 13:23   Link #2192
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I have a question here.

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Old 2008-11-23, 13:50   Link #2193
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Are you referring to the second opening? As far as Fate/stay night goes, they don't ever fight in either of their reality marbles.

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I have my own question.

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Old 2008-11-23, 17:45   Link #2194
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Are you referring to the second opening? As far as Fate/stay night goes, they don't ever fight in either of their reality marbles.

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I have my own question.

Spoiler for Fate/stay night - Heavens Feel route:
Because he'll be using his reality marble as opposed to Archers. The events of HF were enough to reveal that Shirou was Archer and once he learned about Archer's Reality Marble, his own is just a step away. And actually, none of the Shirou's could use Archer's version of UBW because he viewed his ideal differently as reflected by the gears in the background.

That does make me wonder though, if simply believing the ideal is beautiful and whatnot changed the spell to Unlimited Blade Works so much for the UBW Shirou, what would the spell be like for HF Shirou with his vastly different ideal?
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Old 2008-11-23, 22:21   Link #2195
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Ah, I see.
And to be honest, hopefully UBW was enough to reveal that Archer was an alter Shirou, but....
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Old 2008-11-23, 22:24   Link #2196
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Ah, I see.
And to be honest, hopefully UBW was enough to reveal that Archer was an alter Shirou, but....
I was referring to the characters in the route itself. I don't think you can get more obvious than in UBW, but they do the same thing in HF using Ilya and the pendant.
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Old 2008-11-23, 23:21   Link #2197
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wtf?. btw did merlin and the other knights ever appear in this game/story?
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Old 2008-11-23, 23:37   Link #2198
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wtf?. btw did merlin and the other knights ever appear in this game/story?
Not really. Unless you count the end of Fate with Bedivere, but it's a really small appearance that doesn't really impact the story.
Oh, there's another knight in Fate/Zero.

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Old 2008-11-24, 01:18   Link #2199
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Are you referring to the second opening? As far as Fate/stay night goes, they don't ever fight in either of their reality marbles.

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I have my own question.

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So I guess that scene of both of them fighting was just a scene for fanservice?
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Old 2008-11-24, 03:50   Link #2200
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Heard that they planned the anime to be based on Unlimited Blade Works but something happened and they decided to follow Fate route instead.
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