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Old 2004-05-18, 22:11   Link #21
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If you so badly want to see those series completed, how bout finding ppl to help those groups finish those series instead of suggesting "vulture" groups to complete them.
maybe because these groups never ask? There are no updates, no status, no nothing. Most of the time you never know if they discontinued or need someone to complete it. If you are a group that needs help with a stalled series just ask instead of keeping mum about it.
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Old 2004-05-19, 00:59   Link #22
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maybe because these groups never ask? There are no updates, no status, no nothing. Most of the time you never know if they discontinued or need someone to complete it. If you are a group that needs help with a stalled series just ask instead of keeping mum about it.
If you went to their irc channel once in a while you'd probably find out what's going on. BT is nice for distributing fansubs, but irc is where things happen. The vast majority of groups that have "stalled" projects also have requests for help either in the channel topic or on a timer that advertises in the chan every so often. And if you can't be bothered to use irc, then you probably can't help either, since irc is the main method of communication for fansubbers.
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Old 2004-05-19, 01:08   Link #23
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And if you can't be bothered to use irc, then you probably can't help either, since irc is the main method of communication for fansubbers.
Really? We use e-mail primarily. Then again, for a while our primary method of communication was in person. Of course, I admit we're not your 'average' fansub group--if we lost our translators, we'd be less a 'group' than a 'person'.
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Old 2004-05-19, 01:28   Link #24
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maybe because these groups never ask? There are no updates, no status, no nothing. Most of the time you never know if they discontinued or need someone to complete it. If you are a group that needs help with a stalled series just ask instead of keeping mum about it.
I completely agree, and if it's the case that they may inform people though IRC, that's not really good enough. I don't use IRC, and many people don't especially if there's bittorrent for the series. The group should really be trying to aware the pubic a little more of the situation.

I'm not aware of any series I'm watching that have been officially been put "on hold", but Daa! Daa! Daa! is sure going a slow pace

Actually, it may have been put on hold, because i believe AnimeOne finished the first season... so I'm wondering if that's all they were going to do, or don't have the second season.

Besides that... I have nothing to say :P
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Old 2004-05-19, 01:43   Link #25
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Really? We use e-mail primarily. Then again, for a while our primary method of communication was in person. Of course, I admit we're not your 'average' fansub group--if we lost our translators, we'd be less a 'group' than a 'person'.
We-suck is not a standard group, I'm sure there are a few other groups that operate a bit different too, but for the most part irc is where things happen. I'm a bit disappointed to see you disagree with me since you likely know how most groups operate. Anyway, usually things are done on irc, if the group has (or is headed by) a dedicated tler, they probably won't end up w/ stalled projects. However, there are many groups trying hard, but the translators they have can't follow through to finish projects (no offense to various tlers since it's usually un-avoidable real life stuff) and finding new tler is really hard.
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Old 2004-05-19, 03:08   Link #26
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This thread will definetely piss off a lot of fansub groups.
Oh the poor babies.



Turn-A Gundam.

One group did it poorly up to episode 11, another is up to episode 7 but their release rate is positively glacial and they never widely release what they do anyway.
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Old 2004-05-19, 05:22   Link #27
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If you guys actually lack experienced translators, it could have been better if you would work with them instead on finishing the series.
If I remember rightly, these guys were doing nothing more than ripping HK DVDs and cleaning up the subs a little....

Well, I'd like to see TnK completed, but considering the quality of the last load of episodes I watched (I'm around 31 or something - no rush), I really can't complain. Some great fansubbing of behalf of A-E, but I wouldn't say no to a speed up :P
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Old 2004-05-19, 05:33   Link #28
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I'd like to see Ayatsuri Sakon finished. Seichi is so slow.
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Old 2004-05-19, 11:08   Link #29
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Seichi only needs more staff. Another editor/translator/typesetter would do wonders.

Anyway.....

Ask Dr. Rin! (HnK and Live-eviL were doing this)
Bakuretsu Tenshi (Lunar and a few others were on this one)

I don't think there are any others.....
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Old 2004-05-19, 12:51   Link #30
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I think Lunar is doing a great job with Bakuretsu Tenshi and they are releasing this series in a timely manner. Animeone and Onigiri, the one I'm following is a little behind, but they're only a few days behind. there are way slower titles out there. How can you be that impatient?
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Old 2004-05-19, 13:18   Link #31
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The correct answer is Sakkage Cromatie High.
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Old 2004-05-19, 14:35   Link #32
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The correct answer is Sakkage Cromatie High.
Yeah, I love that show.

Well we should distinguish between series that *are* being worked on but just at a slow pace and series that are utterly abandoned. If the group if just slow, I don't think its worth it for someone else to pick up.

I want to see Hidamari no Ki and Dr. Slump.

Overman King Gainer is going to be announced any day now. A US dubbing studio had claimed that OKG was one their projects, but no licenser confirmed it yet.
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Old 2004-05-19, 16:16   Link #33
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Oh the poor babies.



Turn-A Gundam.

One group did it poorly up to episode 11, another is up to episode 7 but their release rate is positively glacial and they never widely release what they do anyway.
It's being done.
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Old 2004-05-19, 18:39   Link #34
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I'd love to see more:

Ask dr. Rin
Daa daa daa
Mirumo de pon
Yawara
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Old 2004-05-19, 18:40   Link #35
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Twin Spica was stalled for a whiile, the fansub group can still use some addtional staff I think.
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Old 2004-05-19, 21:08   Link #36
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If the group if just slow, I don't think its worth it for someone else to pick up.
The idea that when a group starts doing something, no one else should pick up their pace is a strange one. If you're subbing every 3 months (for example) then you shouldn't be surprised if a group is created partly due to your laziness to speed up the subbing, maybe every 2 weeks?

Of course if you're the only group bothering to sub it and you choose to do it every 3 months then no one is entitled to complain about speed. I just don't see why no group should pick up your pace just because you started subbing first.
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Old 2004-05-19, 21:22   Link #37
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I always hate even thinking about responding to threads like these due to their "whiny" nature... but...

AM Driver and F-Zero (both were being done by Miyuki) would both be nice.

Side note: anyone know if that F-Zero deal with 4Kids went through? I thought it was pretty much considered that 4Kids licensed F-Zero, but AnimeSuki still lists it... so...
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Old 2004-05-19, 21:59   Link #38
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Originally Posted by hunterx
The idea that when a group starts doing something, no one else should pick up their pace is a strange one. If you're subbing every 3 months (for example) then you shouldn't be surprised if a group is created partly due to your laziness to speed up the subbing, maybe every 2 weeks?

Of course if you're the only group bothering to sub it and you choose to do it every 3 months then no one is entitled to complain about speed. I just don't see why no group should pick up your pace just because you started subbing first.
I like how you jump to the conclusion that every time fansubbing groups don't manage to release something within your magical two week period, we're just wasting time slacking off. Oh yeah we're lazy... so lazy we pick up the series in the first place and work on subbing them, while leechers like you can't be bothered to check our IRC channels to see if we're looking for help or not.

Advertise our need more? How? We've posted here at asuki, we've asked in public IRC channels, we've announced our need for TLers in our topic, and what has that gotten us? Not much, unfortunately. Why? Because people who have no problems with bitching about how long we're taking DO have problems with being of assistance.
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Old 2004-05-19, 22:32   Link #39
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Okay, so suppose a group which was up to date on a series suddenly loses their translator--like, they're arrested for child porn distribution, or get killed in a car crash, or something. Point being, the group isn't behind on the show, but no new episodes will get done without a new translator. What is the incentive for a translator who finds this out and wants to sub the show to join that group instead of starting their own? It's not like they'd have trouble finding people to fill the non-translator slots--they could personally fill the shoes of timer, typesetter, encoder, etc. single handedly if need be. (It certainly saves the time it would take to move the raw around within the group.) Most groups have multiple teams, so releases of different series by the group wouldn't typically be of consistent style, and even if they were, releases of this single series by that group wouldn't be any more, since the team would be different at a critical spot. And it's not like reputation is an issue--if the new translator lives up to the group's reputation, he doesn't need that reputation--he'll have his own under his own group. Conversely, if the translator doesn't live up to the group's reputation, does the group even want them? The reputation wouldn't last long when the quality dropped. And if the group refused the translator because he didn't meet their standard, and the translator went off and started his own group to continue the show, how dare anyone call him a vulture?
(Of course, I would personally hope that this translator would start subbing the show from episode 1, so that they would have scripts to release in DVDSubber format when the R2 DVDs were released, but the argument still holds.)
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Old 2004-05-19, 22:56   Link #40
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Easy answers to your questions, Torgen.

- To avoid oversubbing. Unfortunately, far too few people take this into consideration these days, and that's why we get crap groups popping up left and right to oversub SamuraiChrnoChobits.
- Because the translator likes the work the group does, and thinks he/she can contribute to their releases.
- Because he doesn't want to go through the trouble of founding/running a new group, or learning a variety of new techniques when he can come in to work with an experienced staff who has a 90% probability of being able to do a better job than that one person.

There are more reasons, but these are three that jump to mind off the top of my head. And if the translator doesn't meet a group's requirements? Well, that's up to each individual group. Genbu's usually desperate enough to take them anyway, and ask an experienced translator to do TL-check, but obviously that will vary from group to group.
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