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Old 2008-12-18, 20:45   Link #2161
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Sigh, try watching the scene again. You're not even remembering the words right.

Suzaku: What's the status of the Lancelot?
*skip filler part about which Lancelot*
Cecile: It's just about to roll out.

Hence, no, it was not completed first. In fact, it isn't even completed in the freaking episode or he would have flown it instead of some lousy shuttle.
Yeah I've seen the episode and it indicates that it was already completed, what the hell do you think about to roll out =done. Good Lord.

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Old 2008-12-18, 20:53   Link #2162
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and of course its not possible to up grade it to match the guren in the MONTH that past between ep 18 and 22
when they pretty much did the same to that guren in almost the same amount of time
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Old 2008-12-18, 20:54   Link #2163
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Yeah genius I've seen the episode and it indicates that it was already completed, what the hell do you think about to roll out =done. Good Lord. Is your vocabulary that limited.
"About to roll out" means it was not done. If she had said, "it's rolling out," then that would mean it was completed on the spot, as in that episode. "About to roll out" means they were still putting the finishing touches on it, hence it was not completed at the time. The Guren was upgraded first, plain and simple. If the Albion was completed before it, he'd be piloting it at that point.
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Old 2008-12-18, 20:56   Link #2164
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Mahakala, morbofist, please. Its possible for you two to have a civil discussion without resorting to insults and derogatory questioning of each other's reading capabilities.
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Old 2008-12-18, 20:58   Link #2165
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Mahakala, morbofist, please. Its possible for you two to have a civil discussion without resorting to insults and derogatory questioning of each other's reading capabilities.
Sorry, edited. I'll endeavor to avoid that.
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Old 2008-12-18, 21:28   Link #2166
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Mahakala, morbofist, please. Its possible for you two to have a civil discussion without resorting to insults and derogatory questioning of each other's reading capabilities.
I wouldn't if he stop being so hostile, what is he trying to prove?
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"About to roll out" means it was not done. If she had said, "it's rolling out," then that would mean it was completed on the spot, as in that episode. "About to roll out" means they were still putting the finishing touches on it, hence it was not completed at the time. The Guren was upgraded first, plain and simple. If the Albion was completed before it, he'd be piloting it at that point.
He piloted the Lancelot because Freya was already equiped with it and he didn't want anyone else to fire it. About to roll out means what you just said meaning it was done.
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Old 2008-12-18, 21:48   Link #2167
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He piloted the Lancelot because Freya was already equiped with it and he didn't want anyone else to fire it. About to roll out means what you just said meaning it was done.
FLEIJA consists of a gun and a control panel, that's it. It'd take an hour at most to move it. And no, about to roll out in this context does not mean it's done. Rolling something out, generally speaking, is when a certain item is revealed or made available for use. This isn't some mass-production line of Knightmares, it's a single customized unit. It hasn't been rolled out at that point, which means it isn't ready for use at that point.
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Old 2008-12-18, 21:53   Link #2168
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He piloted the Lancelot because Freya was already equiped with it and he didn't want anyone else to fire it. About to roll out means what you just said meaning it was done.
Not really that. From what I understood, he wanted to use the Freija to threaten lelouch and the BK knight. But was not planning to fire it.
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Old 2008-12-18, 21:56   Link #2169
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Kanon's to blame for the FLEIJA incident, if you ask me. :V He made it so that Lelouch would never believe Suzaku.
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Old 2008-12-18, 21:57   Link #2170
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Kanon's to blame for the FLEIJA incident, if you ask me. :V He made it so that Lelouch would never believe Suzaku.
On Schenizel's orders, mind you, so technically big brother was at fault. Not to mention his whole big speech to con Suzaku into playing ball, which Kanon did help with.
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Old 2008-12-19, 07:05   Link #2171
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Yeah I've seen the episode and it indicates that it was already completed, what the hell do you think about to roll out =done. Good Lord.
No all it indicates is that its been constructed. There are a hell of tests before it can be deployed for combat such as reliability testing of the mechanical parts and the OS along with any necessary recalibration after studying the data to iron out any kinks.

For a high performance, non-mass production model these types of tests are even more important.
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Old 2008-12-19, 07:47   Link #2172
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the guren kasoshiiki was more then "rolled out"
it was a fully operational machine with very differenet specs and equipment
but they still took it apart and put it back together (at least the float system) in no time
they put in a new OS
installed new weapon systems
and increased its specs to the same level (possibly higher) of the machine they were building at the same time
it makes no sense that they could just increase the albions specs to match it in the month before that
especially if they knew that he would probably end up opposing the guren (lelouch's plan)
and like i said
after the beating he took in ep 18 there is NO WAY that suzaku would get the albion and NOT ASK "will it be able to match the guren"
he new the answer (Lloyd did build both)
and he still expected to win
so the difference in machine potential couldnt have been all that great
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Old 2008-12-19, 08:32   Link #2173
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the guren kasoshiiki was more then "rolled out"
it was a fully operational machine with very differenet specs and equipment
but they still took it apart and put it back together (at least the float system) in no time
they put in a new OS
installed new weapon systems
and increased its specs to the same level (possibly higher) of the machine they were building at the same time
it makes no sense that they could just increase the albions specs to match it in the month before that
especially if they knew that he would probably end up opposing the guren (lelouch's plan)
and like i said
after the beating he took in ep 18 there is NO WAY that suzaku would get the albion and NOT ASK "will it be able to match the guren"
he new the answer (Lloyd did build both)
and he still expected to win
so the difference in machine potential couldnt have been all that great
your staement makes no sense because we don't know how long it took for the Guren and all we know is that there was a one month gap in the Albion appearance (it was already finished in that span mind you)
Zero's Requiem was more important than the battle obviously and he wasn't expecting to battle her in the first place

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No all it indicates is that its been constructed. There are a hell of tests before it can be deployed for combat such as reliability testing of the mechanical parts and the OS along with any necessary recalibration after studying the data to iron out any kinks.

For a high performance, non-mass production model these types of tests are even more important.
Oh for gos's sake, for what I've seen the Guren didn't receive any tests when it was completed, the Lancelot Albion was complete along with the Guren Seiten. It seems that your just ading crap to prove a point.

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FLEIJA consists of a gun and a control panel, that's it. It'd take an hour at most to move it. And no, about to roll out in this context does not mean it's done. Rolling something out, generally speaking, is when a certain item is revealed or made available for use. This isn't some mass-production line of Knightmares, it's a single customized unit. It hasn't been rolled out at that point, which means it isn't ready for use at that point.
Suzaku assissted that he have it as far as how it goes'Checked the episode she said it was ready to rollout not about to rollout, maybe your reading the wrong sub. And just because it was finished didn't mean it would of been used right away.
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Old 2008-12-22, 09:54   Link #2174
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How come no one thought about equipping Knightmares with flamethrowers?
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Old 2008-12-22, 10:05   Link #2175
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How come no one thought about equipping Knightmares with flamethrowers?
what for
what would it be used against
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Old 2008-12-22, 13:17   Link #2176
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what for
what would it be used against
Put enemy Knightmares to overheat or ignite the Sakuradite they run off of. Better yet, cook the pilots in their Frames.
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Old 2008-12-22, 15:09   Link #2177
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Put enemy Knightmares to overheat or ignite the Sakuradite they run off of. Better yet, cook the pilots in their Frames.
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enough said
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Old 2008-12-22, 15:34   Link #2178
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Flamethrowers on a Knightmare Frame would only be good as anti-personnel weapons. Typically, Knightmare Frames are too fast for flamethrowers to be effective on them, and we don't know if Sakuradite's good at igniting. Probably not, else they wouldn't start making machines out of highly flammable material.
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Old 2008-12-22, 20:42   Link #2179
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Flamethrowers on a Knightmare Frame would only be good as anti-personnel weapons. Typically, Knightmare Frames are too fast for flamethrowers to be effective on them, and we don't know if Sakuradite's good at igniting. Probably not, else they wouldn't start making machines out of highly flammable material.
Well, flamethrowers wouldn't be a good long-range weapon against fast Knightmares so it's better at close or medium range.

I assumed that since Knightmares are metallic, overheating one to a certain degree would perhaps melt internal circuitry and shut down electricity flow from the Yggdrasil Drive. Surely, Knightmares have be generating heat when in action and would have some sort of temperature limit in regards to overheating issues.
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Old 2008-12-23, 07:05   Link #2180
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there is a reason why flamethroweres arent used as anti-tank weapons IRL
why would it be used against KMF's who are about as well armored and much faster
you'd never be able to hit it up to the point needed to damage it before it kills you with less showy and more effective weapons
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